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Man dies during G20 protests in London

There were surreal moments: Earlier in the morning, police impounded an armored personnel carrier — complete with what looked like a machine-gun turret — near London's Liverpool Street Station as slack-jawed office workers took pictures with their cell phones.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090401/ap_on_re_eu/g20_protests

These were the guys dressed in police uniforms. Tell me, what is it you think there aim was?
 
Cause trouble and they were stopped and arrested.
I have no problem with that, what i do have the main problem is when the police attacked unprovoked in a crowd of peaceful protestors.

Do you think what they did at the camp was right?

It depends... I'd need to hear an explanation from the police to get their side of the story.
 
It depends... I'd need to hear an explanation from the police to get their side of the story.

Ofc
I'm sure they have a wonderful explanation :roll:
 
We'll see. Why don't you ask for one?

Erm, i can't until a review and an inquiry is held otherwise we will never know. The police don't exactly explain themselves
 
The police are ordered to break up the crowds and move them out of the area. They follow orders, the crowds resist, and all they get is a few thumps on the head from police batons? It could have been worse, the police could have used harsher methods.

Sounds like a good lesson needs to be learned by the protestors. Maybe they should find better ways to protest? Certainly getting spanked on the street like the unruly children they are didn't solve any problems,,,
 
The police are ordered to break up the crowds and move them out of the area. They follow orders, the crowds resist, and all they get is a few thumps on the head from police batons? It could have been worse, the police could have used harsher methods.

Sounds like a good lesson needs to be learned by the protestors. Maybe they should find better ways to protest? Certainly getting spanked on the street like the unruly children they are didn't solve any problems,,,

Why out of the area? They are not there illegal, this was a legal planned protest.
Ordered by who? And for what reason?
Get them out of an area where they were sitting and into another area where they will sit .. what brilliant logic :doh
 
Why out of the area? They are not there illegal, this was a legal planned protest.
Ordered by who? And for what reason?
Get them out of an area where they were sitting and into another area where they will sit .. what brilliant logic :doh

Clearly, the UK has a compelling interest in protecting the heads of state which were present at the G20 meeting. Whether this action was necessary or not, I cannot know unless they explain themselves. They've likely been gathering intelligence in preparation for this and until I get an explanation for their actions, I will reserve judgment.
 
Protests occured miles away from the meeting place of Obama or Brown. Just admit it, the police was in the wrong here.
 
Why out of the area? They are not there illegal, this was a legal planned protest.Ordered by who? And for what reason?
Get them out of an area where they were sitting and into another area where they will sit .. what brilliant logic :doh

Legal? Did they have government permits?

IF it was a legal, planned protest, and they were being peaceful, the police would not have been trying to get them to leave. Someone ordered them to clear the area, and they are trained to follow orders. Don't like that? Change your government.
And even the lowest level of logic is brilliant compared to the one sided tearfests of the far left liberal loonies....:2razz:
 
Every protest inside London has to be noted so the police can ensure that little disruption happens in London and so they can close roads down.
The g20 protests has been planned with the police for weeks before it occured. That is what happens.

The Government is going to change don't worry. Labour is in for a death ride next year elections why do you think Brown is hugging up to Obama, he wants some of his popularity lmao
 
Protests occured miles away from the meeting place of Obama or Brown. Just admit it, the police was in the wrong here.

I can't. I don't possess the knowledge that they do. Therefore, I ask for an explanation. Again, its up to the people of the UK to engage in their civic duty and ask for one.
 
Legal? Did they have government permits?

The right of assembly, association, redress, and protest are innate and inalienable.
 
I was there and i agree, a tiny tiny minority of protestors were 'asking for it' but i saw police kicking and hitting ENVIROMENTAL protestors - They're like freaking pacifists and riot police was surrounding them

The police crossed the line and they provoked the protestors to attack. They have no one but themselves to blame

The problem with these protests is that it only takes a handful of out of control folks to bring the police crashing down on everyone. A few thrown bottles, windows breaking, etc. The perpetrators hide within the crowds causing chaos, vandalism, and violence at every opportunity. The police have to then suddenly play where's Waldo and anyone that doesn't get the hell out of their way and basically leave when things get crazy is going to be treated as part of the problem and IMO rightfully so. The amount of damage a few can do while hidden among the so called peaceful many is out of control. IMO the first window that gets broken, the first bottle thrown, the first car trashed, and ALL protesters should immediately go home. The protest is no longer peaceful and if you stick around you're asking for the cops to come down hard on you. They better come down hard because as a paying tax payer I don't take kindly to my downtown getting trashed for whatever the cause of the week happens to be. The police can't just let these fools run amuck causing tons of $$$ in damage. It's virtually impossible to "capture the few" without disbanding the many. The few hide within the many.

Also ANYONE who takes a child TO ANY protest in this day and age deserves to hauled up on charges of abuse and neglect. You don't take your child into large volatile crowds like that. Here in Olympia I saw women use babies to protect protesters from the police while bank windows were broken, etc. Assholes.
 
YouTube - G20 summit protests turn violent

Once people start busting crap it's time for rational people to leave. If they don't they get what they deserve. The police can not sit by and allow a few people to destroy the city because the "herd" refuses to get the hell out of the way.
 
The right of assembly, association, redress, and protest are innate and inalienable.

and the govt has the right to control such, or do you prefer anarchy? are you old enough t remember the Watts riots?
 
Why out of the area? They are not there illegal, this was a legal planned protest.
Ordered by who? And for what reason?
Get them out of an area where they were sitting and into another area where they will sit .. what brilliant logic :doh

as long as they get to sit.....what does it matter where they sit?
 
YouTube - G20 summit protests turn violent

Once people start busting crap it's time for rational people to leave. If they don't they get what they deserve. The police can not sit by and allow a few people to destroy the city because the "herd" refuses to get the hell out of the way.

no, I think it is OK as long as they are pacifists who are breaking your windows....:2razz:
laila says so, it must be so...
 
The right of assembly, association, redress, and protest are innate and inalienable.

All that becomes moot when the crowd starts destroying downtown. Once windows start breaking, businesses start getting destroyed, etc the police then have the right to come and bust up the assembly as it is no longer "peaceful" by any stretch of the imagination. There is no right to vandalize, loot, spray paint, etc. None. The police have an obligation to protect property owners from unlawful chaotic destruction. The protesters could come down hard on the anarchists and/or chaos lovers who see any and every protest as an opportunity to go hog wild with abandon but more often than not the protesters are seen cheering the goofs on and hiding/protecting the unlawful persons in their midst.
 
Such a pity that police are restricted and restrained.

I don't trust them with batons, let alone tasters, gas and guns. They are much too immature with it. They'd probably overuse it

And the result would be?

Dead civilians?

Only if the protesters asked for it.
 
Man who died during G20 protest was walking home from work - Times Online

The Met said that as the officers tried to revive Mr Tomlinson they came under attack from protesters who threw bottles at them.

But as one peaceful protester helpfully explains the mob "didn't know what was happening," so it's ok.

“One or maybe two plastic bottles were thrown, but it was by people further back in the crowd who did not know what was going on.

This is why police don't treat out of control rioting mobs the same way they treat peaceful protesting. Since it's a fairly fine line your best bet is to get out of there when stuff starts breaking, bottles start getting thrown, etc.
 
Plastic bottles? thrown from the back of the crowd? ever try to throw an empty plastic bottle? they don't go far, and when they hit can barely be felt.
I bet the truth isn't being told about the bottles...

A mob is a large group of people with no brains engaged....
Maybe a few new lumps from batons will help them to act smarter next time...
 
Plastic bottles? thrown from the back of the crowd? ever try to throw an empty plastic bottle? they don't go far, and when they hit can barely be felt.
I bet the truth isn't being told about the bottles...

A mob is a large group of people with no brains engaged....
Maybe a few new lumps from batons will help them to act smarter next time...

Well nobody claimed they were empty. A full plastic bottle can do some decent damage when tossed right.
 
The police was so vicious yesterday, unbelieveable

You show a photo of some violent thug smashing a peaceful, well-behaved window and then complain that the COPS are being vicious?

Was the bleeding broad a victim of the evil window, or the violent thug?
 
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