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Call for higher circumcision rate

This is your opinion. You are unable to speak for all men. FAIL

As goes for you as well.

I would guess that the overwhelming majority of circumcisions are done before sexual activity begins, how can anyone compare. I am cut and still managed to be a two pump chump early in my sexually active life. I think I was left with plenty of nerve endings.
 
Could, should, would...all subjective. Also, doctors and researchers disagree with you.
They do? Please show that doctors and researchers disagree that it is illogical to perform surgery when not necessary. That if two things accomplish similar results then the less invasive one should logically be preferred. Go ahead prove that.

I'm not interested in your baseless opinions of "coulda' shoulda'". Facts please.
Of course not, because you'd rather label them as a dismissive tactic because you can't argue against logic.
If you feel like I have been using ad homs, then please report them as I just did with this ad hom.
I don't find it necessary to cry to mommy every time someone says something I don't like.

Again, a blatant lie. And nowhere near being on topic. I have been consistently trying to keep the discussion about the topic and not other people. But if you feel I haven't, please report.
Prove it's a lie or apologize.
Yes you have been consistently trying to force the discussion to be about your study, since all of your other arguments have been trounced. Unfortunately for you I will continue to trounce you on this subject because the reality is that circumcision cannot be defended. It is a religious practice that gained widespread acceptance through misinformation being pushed by doctors and Rabbis.
The customs and laws pertaining to circumcision are derived from the Bible, Talmud, and Jewish tradition, all of which have been meticulously passed down from generation to generation.

God's First Commandment to Abraham

Circumcision is the first commandment given by God to Abraham, the first Jew, and is central to Judaism. Abraham, the father of the Jewish People, had for many years served God righteously. Yet it was only after he circumcised himself by God's command at the age of ninety-nine years, that he was able to reach the ultimate level of Biblical perfection of "and you shall be perfect" (Genesis 17:1).

God desired that this final "finishing touch" and perfection of our body should be a distinctly human act. This teaches us that spiritual perfection must and can be accomplished by human effort.
It has become a cultural tradition perpetuated by the "I don't want my son to look different" and "It's easier to clean" excuse.

Do you have any sort of study that shows this to be the case or that sex is significantly or even noticably impaired? FAIL.
The obvious faliure is that you can't prove your statement so you try to misdirect. :2wave:

I never used the word "little". And no, size still does not equate to usefulness. FAIL

Yes, I understand what the different tissues are as I took biology courses in college, too. Do you wish to make a point or were you just demonstrating your irrelevant linking skills for us?
The word "little" is irrelevant to the point. The point BTW which you again try to misdirect from,again, instead of refute. That point being that the skin is an organ, the largest organ on or in our body, this includes the foreskin. As an organ its entirety is useful and necessary. I'm simply proving that you are wrong when you say "Those same purposes are achieved by the wearing of clothing rendering the usefulness of the foreskin void."
 
There's a reason they are called "medical opinions" folks.
 
This is your opinion. You are unable to speak for all men. FAIL

Until you can show a significant sexual impairment to circumcised men, you are peddling nothing more than opinions.

Oh yeah...and FAIL. :roll:
 
They do? Please show that doctors and researchers disagree that it is illogical to perform surgery when not necessary. That if two things accomplish similar results then the less invasive one should logically be preferred. Go ahead prove that.

Liposuction rather than exercise would be one. Gastro intestinal bypasses rather than diet control for another. Circumcision, the topic we are discussing, is medically performed all the time.

Wanna keep going?

Of course not, because you'd rather label them as a dismissive tactic because you can't argue against logic.

There is no logic in "coulda, shoulda', woulda'". Try as you might to peddle your bull**** as "logic", it fails miserably.

I don't find it necessary to cry to mommy every time someone says something I don't like.

Then don't cry to me about it anymore either because until a mod tells me I am being out of line, it ain't gonna change.

Prove it's a lie or apologize.
Yes you have been consistently trying to force the discussion to be about your study, since all of your other arguments have been trounced. Unfortunately for you I will continue to trounce you on this subject because the reality is that circumcision cannot be defended. It is a religious practice that gained widespread acceptance through misinformation being pushed by doctors and Rabbis.

You lie. You have tried to force the discussion into a "baby jebus wants to mutilate your testicles and give your foreskins to nuns to eat" argument and that has nothing to do with a medical call for higher circumcision rate.

The only thing you have trounced is your credibility.

It has become a cultural tradition perpetuated by the "I don't want my son to look different" and "It's easier to clean" excuse.

It has been shown to have medical benefits. When you can disprove that, then we can talk about whatever excuses you want to make for denying research.

The obvious faliure is that you can't prove your statement so you try to misdirect. :2wave:

Uh, yeah, that's exactly what asking you to back up your assertions is there, slip. :roll:

The word "little" is irrelevant to the point. The point BTW which you again try to misdirect from,again, instead of refute. That point being that the skin is an organ, the largest organ on or in our body, this includes the foreskin. As an organ its entirety is useful and necessary. I'm simply proving that you are wrong when you say "Those same purposes are achieved by the wearing of clothing rendering the usefulness of the foreskin void."

Yet you've still failed to prove me wrong. Your little proud rooster dance where you strut and caw and preen yourself for your own amusement while claiming victory over the internets does not constitute a win. It's just you preening and strutting. Nothing more.
 
Circumcision toll rises to 12

Septicaemia claimed the life of a boy from Bisho after he underwent an illegal circumcision, the Eastern Cape health department said on Thursday.

Spokesperson Sizwe Kupelo said the boy died on the way to hospital on Wednesday.

This brought the death toll in the province's winter circumcision season to 12. All the victims had been at illegal circumcision schools.

Besides the boy who died on Wednesday, two boys died from natural causes (such as respiratory diseases) and the rest from dehydration.

News - Health: Circumcision toll rises to 12
 
Circumcision toll rises to 12

Septicaemia claimed the life of a boy from Bisho after he underwent an illegal circumcision, the Eastern Cape health department said on Thursday.

Spokesperson Sizwe Kupelo said the boy died on the way to hospital on Wednesday.

This brought the death toll in the province's winter circumcision season to 12. All the victims had been at illegal circumcision schools.

Besides the boy who died on Wednesday, two boys died from natural causes (such as respiratory diseases) and the rest from dehydration.

News - Health: Circumcision toll rises to 12

And that was not because of circumcision. It was because of illegal practice of medical procedures in an unsterile environment.

Next?
 
Mum to sue GP over son's botched circumcision operation


A MUSLIM mother is planning legal action against a GP after her baby son's circumcision went wrong.

Faiqa Akram paid £80 for three-month-old Naveed to be circumcised at a private clinic because she could not have the treatment on the NHS.

But Naveed is one of four boys who have needed treatment at the University Hospital of North Staffordshire after suffering complications following private circumcisions.


this would not have happened if the boy remained intact

mother hits out at botched op|legal action against Manchester GP
 
Mum to sue GP over son's botched circumcision operation


A MUSLIM mother is planning legal action against a GP after her baby son's circumcision went wrong.

Faiqa Akram paid £80 for three-month-old Naveed to be circumcised at a private clinic because she could not have the treatment on the NHS.

But Naveed is one of four boys who have needed treatment at the University Hospital of North Staffordshire after suffering complications following private circumcisions.


this would not have happened if the boy remained intact

mother hits out at botched op|legal action against Manchester GP

This would not have happened if the boy had his circumcision done under proper conditions.

So what are you doing? Peppering the thread with articles on every botch circumcision that was ever done anywhere?

Let's just face it...your issue isn't the data. Your issue isn't whether or not circumcision is effective at diminishing STD transmission rates. And your issue isn't whether or not circumcision has hygeine benefits.

Your issue is that you have a personal issue with circumcision. That's fine. You have that right and no one is trying to force circumcision on you. But at least address your issue for what it is: an emotional response to a scalpel near a penis. Nothing more.
 
This would not have happened if the boy had his circumcision done under proper conditions.

So what are you doing? Peppering the thread with articles on every botch circumcision that was ever done anywhere?

Let's just face it...your issue isn't the data. Your issue isn't whether or not circumcision is effective at diminishing STD transmission rates. And your issue isn't whether or not circumcision has hygeine benefits.

Your issue is that you have a personal issue with circumcision. That's fine. You have that right and no one is trying to force circumcision on you. But at least address your issue for what it is: an emotional response to a scalpel near a penis. Nothing more.


waa waaaa waaa stop talking against circumcision waaaa waaaa waaaaa waaaa waaaaaa waaaaa waaaa
 
Its not a "part of your body" its ****ing skin.

Stop being melodramatic.

If thats the case Im amputating my hair because it is a perfectly healthy "part of the body".
actually your Skin is the largest ORGAN of the body you call home :2wave:
 
waa waaaa waaa stop talking against circumcision waaaa waaaa waaaaa waaaa waaaaaa waaaaa waaaa

OK, I see that rational discussion has left the building.

I don't care if you talk against circumcision. It is, after all, a debate. I just expect a little intellectual honesty.

But, if in the face of your not being able to offer rational points and counterpoints, you feel the need to mock, cry, and whine like a 2 year old, by all means, have at it.
 
OK, I see that rational discussion has left the building.

I don't care if you talk against circumcision. It is, after all, a debate. I just expect a little intellectual honesty.

But, if in the face of your not being able to offer rational points and counterpoints, you feel the need to mock, cry, and whine like a 2 year old, by all means, have at it.

i and slippery slope tried to debate with you all you do is ignore and post nonsense
 
waa waaaa waaa stop talking against circumcision waaaa waaaa waaaaa waaaa waaaaaa waaaaa waaaa

Posts like this deserve a thumbs down "No Thanks" button.
 
actually your Skin is the largest ORGAN of the body you call home :2wave:

And fortunately all of it is not being removed.
 
i and slippery slope tried to debate with you all you do is ignore and post nonsense

If that's how you need to see it, pal, go right ahead. However, the record shows that I refrained from personal attacks, stayed on point with the topic, posted empirical evidence, and was reasoned and measured in my responses.

The same cannot be said for you and slippery slope. :shrug:
 
i and slippery slope tried to debate with you all you do is ignore and post nonsense

The problem is that you are posting a bunch of emotional garbage and links to improperly performed circumcisions. The circumsision is no more the problem in that case than If I posted a link to a blind person who had an illegal and improperly performed lazer eye surgery in Mexico.
 
The problem is that you are posting a bunch of emotional garbage and links to improperly performed circumcisions. The circumsision is no more the problem in that case than If I posted a link to a blind person who had an illegal and improperly performed lazer eye surgery in Mexico.

yes anything you disagree with is emotional garbage
 
yes anything you disagree with is emotional garbage

Not even close to being accurate. Screaming "ZOMGWTF they're amputating little boys' ability to have fun jerking off, think of the children" is emotional garbage.

And "ZOMGWTF Jebus wants to eat my foreskin" is nothing but emotional garbage.

Counter studies and statistics...not emotional garbage.
 
Not even close to being accurate. Screaming "ZOMGWTF they're amputating little boys' ability to have fun jerking off, think of the children" is emotional garbage.

And "ZOMGWTF Jebus wants to eat my foreskin" is nothing but emotional garbage.

Counter studies and statistics...not emotional garbage.

i already posted studies and research and stated the obvious that non-circumcising Europe and Japan all have the lowest STD rates and yet you continue to ignore them and post emotional crap while hypocritically accuse me of doing the same
 
i already posted studies and research and stated the obvious that non-circumcising Europe and Japan all have the lowest STD rates and yet you continue to ignore them and post emotional crap while hypocritically accuse me of doing the same

Uh, no. I looked at your studies but nothing in those studies showed a causal relationship between circumcision and higher STD rates or that non-circumcision had any influence on those lower circumcision rates. There was no logical connection.

And please, what emotional crap have I really shown in this debate? It hasn't been me calling an excision and amputation just to garner a shock value. It hasn't been me crying about how circumcision is religious oppression just to get the anti-religion sentiment going. It hasn't been me telling others they are "obsessed with foreskin removal". It hasn't been me calling America a "circum-fetish culture".

So please, tell me where I have been posting emotional crap. Do point me to it.

Unless, of course, you would like to get back on topic and try, or at least pretend to try, to refute my points.
 
Is being childish a Breaking News offense? Cause that looks like an infraction if it is.

It's a stance born of frustration at not having the world capitulate to your emotional tirades. :shrug:
 
If that's how you need to see it, pal, go right ahead. However, the record shows that I refrained from personal attacks, stayed on point with the topic, posted empirical evidence, and was reasoned and measured in my responses.

The same cannot be said for you and slippery slope. :shrug:

What are all those "...baby jebus..." comments? Looks like baiting to me. :shrug:
 
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