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Call for higher circumcision rate

.....have you women looked at your vaginas? I mean it looks like predator when he opens his mouth. But I still go down on them if they want it. So meh.

LMFAO.....now THIS post had me laughing. :rofl

Of course I will hate you for life now because IF I ever see another vagina this image will no probably come up and I will laugh.

Damn you people can come up with some weird chit in this forum. :rofl
 
The story about the origins of circumcision, put to song (Sung to the tune of War Pigs by Black Sabbath.)

Smegma gathered up in masses...
Just like butt-cheese in our assess...
Evil Foreskin plots desruction...
Ugly penis-tip obstruction...
STD's have got it burning...
For something cleaner God was yearning...
It is the bane of all mankind...
If it remains he'll lose his mind... Oh lord yeah!

(musical interlude)

That's when God got his mind to say
"No more foreskins anymore,
When I made them I though that I was right
But I don't think that way no more"

So God decreed that he had changed his mind
Foreskins really ain't that fun
And if those Gentiles all refuse to cut
Wait till their judgment day comes... yeah.

(Musical interlude)

Now in darkness Mohels start snipping....
As the babies all start yipping...
No more foreskins have the power...
Hand of God has struck the hour...
Day of Judgment God is calling...
On their knees the uncut are crawling...
Beggin mercy for their foreskins...
Satan Laughing spreads his wings!
All right now!



:mrgreen:

Pure ****ing genius. :rofl
 
Ok lets settle this topic. In my opinion I believe a child should make the decision (when they are older) I just don't think that the medical benefits outweigh losing of the foreskin. The study says that the UK has low circumcision rates and also low rates of infections among people so it's obviously not that beneficial.

Secondly I believe the reason people are getting offended is because people on the other isle openly insult some of us with foreskin. I don't know if you people realize this but to get a circumcision later in life for aesthetic reasons cost 6,000 $+ I don't have that type of money, also I have become very fond of the skin because of the way i beat it. So i don't wanna just get rid of it.

People blatently make fun of people with foreskin, they say they are sick, gross, disgusting, "make or break in relationships" etc. Take a step back, how would you all feel if you had something that you could not "pay" to remove ?and yet everyone says your sick and disgusting, "dick cheese carrier" etc etc. It's ****ed up. The OP, take a look at how he regards us with foreskin, for an example. That's why people get so irritated, thats why people get angry. At least in my respective viewpoint.

I don't think the foreskin should be removed unless it has a really good reason. I understand your point about how "it does have some benefits" I understand that. But, the question I guess it raises is, do I want to put my kid through that pain, for like a what? 5% prevention chance? I love my foreskin man, it feels good, it works nice, it doesn't smell or have bacteria fungus comin out or anything, I mean comon that would be absurd. And if a girl didnt wanna go down, im not gonna be like "BITCH GO DOWN ON THAT RIGHT Now and make her..." No. I would be like ok lemme go wash it real quick and bam, problem solved.

This is just my opinion but, please take it into account.

I can totally see how you could be bothered by the commentary in here. As long as you're comfortable with your foreskin, that's all that matters. Don't let dumb commentary impact you. I have quirks on my body that I am sure some people would find unattractive. That's the way it is, and if you don't like it, then move on.
 
The story about the origins of circumcision, put to song (Sung to the tune of War Pigs by Black Sabbath.)

Smegma gathered up in masses...
Just like butt-cheese in our assess...
Evil Foreskin plots desruction...
Ugly penis-tip obstruction...
STD's have got it burning...
For something cleaner God was yearning...
It is the bane of all mankind...
If it remains he'll lose his mind... Oh lord yeah!

(musical interlude)

That's when God got his mind to say
"No more foreskins anymore,
When I made them I though that I was right
But I don't think that way no more"

So God decreed that he had changed his mind
Foreskins really ain't that fun
And if those Gentiles all refuse to cut
Wait till their judgment day comes... yeah.

(Musical interlude)

Now in darkness Mohels start snipping....
As the babies all start yipping...
No more foreskins have the power...
Hand of God has struck the hour...
Day of Judgment God is calling...
On their knees the uncut are crawling...
Beggin mercy for their foreskins...
Satan Laughing spreads his wings!
All right now!



:mrgreen:

You did NOT make this up did you? (too much time on your hands came to mind while I read this)

LMFAO again. :rofl
 
Yeah, the ridicule of it can be a bit much. At the same time, I do kind of understand some people don't like the looks of it or don't find it attractive though I don't get it being a "deal breaker" (and hell, as I said, I've known people that actually found it MORE attractive). I don't find that any more shallow than someone prefering blonde hair to brunette, big asses or small ones, a B cup or a C cup, facial hair or no facial hair, blue eyes or green, etc. Everyone has body type preferences. I think it gets shallow when a single body type preference is enough to just make you go "No" without any regard at all to anything else...at the same time, I think everyone has a certain poitn where that could apply.

But for all of that posters defense of how great his foreskin is (and god damn man, we don't need to know about you "beating"), other's are extremely happy with the fact their parents got them cut. Why exactly should that posters love and wonder at being in his mind fortunante enough to have not been cut somehow mean more or prove anything over what others feel that DID have it done as a baby.

He likes the way he is, and I'm happy for him for that. Its great to be sound in yourself. But one does not have to not be circumsized to like the option their parents picked.
 
I didn't say you couldn't be happy being cut. I said i liked my foreskin. That was all bro. Grats for people liking both, I just don't wanna be ridiculed for not having a surgery done.
 
No problem. I understand that desire.

I'm also going to take a little message from south park though.

Stan: Just because we rip on you for being rich doesn't mean we don't like you.
Kyle: Yeah we're guys dude; we find something about all our friends to rip on. We make fun of you for being rich like we rip on Butters for acting wimpy.
Butters: They sure do.
Stan: Yeah and like we rip on Kyle for being a Jew.
Kyle: And Stan for being in love with Wendy.
Stan: Yeah I get it for that.
Kyle: And Cartman for being fat.
Cartman: Uh huh.
Kyle: And Cartman for being stupid.
Cartman: Yeah.
Kyle: And Cartman for having a whore for a mom.
Cartman: Hey.
Kyle: And Cartman for being a sadistic asshole.
Cartman: Ay!! You did me already.

If a girl just flat out won't be with you because of your foreskin that's just idiotic on their part imho. And people on the forum expressing that they personally don't like the look of it aren't picking on YOU, they're expressing a personal opinioin. But in regards to people picking at you a bit...welcome to life as a guy man. There's not a guy on this forum that likely doesn't get picked on about SOMETHING by people they know and guys their around. I think its just part of being a guy.
 
APS why did you get your son circumsized if i may ask? Because your doctor said it could decrease std's, was their a medical reason for it? You wanted him to be like the father? I'm just curious. If it was for a medical reason I apologize for calling you dumb. I just feel that so many people get it done because it can prevent std's but... so do condoms.. and it irritates me when women say "ew it's gross" have you women looked at your vaginas? I mean it looks like predator when he opens his mouth. But I still go down on them if they want it. So meh.

I had both of my sons circ'ed and not for medical or religious reasons. My husband was the one who felt strongly about it (he is circ'ed, as well, and suffers not a bit from the whole "trauma"). I guess we're dumb. :lol:
 
Removal of the foreskin causes a karotenoid layer to form over the glans, reducing sensitivity and making it prone to dryness and chaffing.
is that why i constantly rub it and apply lotion frequently:mrgreen:
 
The people that keep saying it has no medical baring what so ever are simply wrong. Medical fact is against you

What medical fact?... that it reduces the risk of penile cancer, which is already extremely rare in the first place?

That it reduces urinary tract infection, whose cause is poor hygeine in the first place? If a baby is getting that many infection in his first year of life, then more than likely the culprit is that his parents don't know how to clean his foreskin; and why would they not know how to do that? Because they live in a society that is completely ignorant of the function of the foreskin.

and you can go on with the absolutely bogus claim of "mutiliation" all you want, it doesn't change the fact you're wrong. Studies have shown it has medical benefits. Whether those benefits are enough to do it or not is entirely up to the Parents, but the main pediatric medical group in America does not recommend against circumcision and does state there are legitimate medical reasons for it.

I agree that there are legitimate medical reasons for it, but those are medical reasons that are self-evident when the baby is born, such as a foreskin that is too tight, or one that doesn't open enough to allow the glans to protrude. Those are natural problems that require medical help. Preventative circumcision (i.e. he "might" get an infection sometime in his life) is not medicine, but supposition.

As far as "just wear a condom or clean it well", again, even if you do those it can still be medically beneficial in regards to urinary tract infection, STD's, and general cleanliness and the ramifications that can bring upon you. Yes "just wear a condom" sounds great. If they had a vaccine for the common cold would you not get it because you "just wash your hands" all the time and avoid sick people? Vaccinations in and of themselves have been known to have serious side effects including death but we routinely give them to kids because parents decide taht the benefits outweigh the risks. I guess all those in the mutilator crowd will also now be saying that parents like to stab and shank their children too?

The AIDS argument is employed a lot but it doesn't add up. First of all, you get AIDS, not because you have a foreskin, but because you have unprotected sex and put yourself at risk. Secondly, even with the removal of the foreskin, your risk does not vanish, nor does it render you immune to all the other STDs out there.

Your comparison to circumcision being like a vaccination is completely and utterly flawed. Circumcision does not make you immune to any STD.

Not to mention the ONLY way one could even fit circmucision into the definition of mutilation would require one also to believe they mutilate their child every time they cut their hair, pull a tooth, clip finger nails, or cut the umbillical cord.

More red herrings. You pull a tooth when the mouth is overcrowded, or when a cavity has progressed to becoming a potential abcess and is thus life threatening. Hair, nails, and the umbillical cord? Please tell me you are joking. You're a fine debater and even you must see that none of these things are comparable to a foreskin? A foreskin never grows back, and it is a functional part of the entire apparatus. Furthermore, its removal is painful and unnecessary. Maybe if you compared it to something irreplaceable, like cutting off a finger, you'd be closer to the mark.

I have read more about doctors who don't perform circumcision properly (i.e. they make it too tight, don't remove enough of the foreskin, or the incision marks leave scarring that causes complications later) than I have about non-circumcised boys suffering terribly in life for having a foreskin.

I agree that it's the parents' choice over whether or not to have this procedure performed, but let's not delude ourselves into believing there are such overwhelmingly good reasons for doing it. The medical reasoning behind it is shaky at best, since most of the "risk" to men with a foreskin can be easily mitigated with proper hygeine. Most of the belief in circumcision stems from the religious crowd, or from the last medical generation that didn't even know what they were talking about. Both of those go hand in hand for why organizations like the UN advocate it so much.

The world's three largest religions, accounting for billions, all advocate for circumcision. Of course people think a circumcised penis looks attractive... because we have generations of people who have never seen what a natural penis even looks like. So of course that will establish an aesthetic norm.
 
There's no reason for piercing ears other than beauty.

Try telling an 8 year old boy to USE SOAP in the shower. If he doesn't care about the crud under his nails, on his face or in his crack, he's not gonna care about anything unseen under the foreskin. It's not until you boys start realizing that's something special down there that you acually start taking care of it.
I swear I didn't know you were female. My mind must be going.
 
Its a cultural practice that doesn't have any negative effects. I don't see why people get so up in arms about it, as if its a big deal whether or not a kid gets circ'ed. Its not as if its done to keep a man down or something. Hopefully my son won't think he's less of a man, because he's missing a little bit of foreskin. If he does, I haven't raised him right.

But he might question why you altered his genitalia without his consent.
 
But he might question why you altered his genitalia without his consent.

I don't know any man who has ever questioned why their parents altered his genitalia without his consent. I even asked a bunch of my male friends in the last week if they gave it a second thought. None of them have.
 
I don't know any man who has ever questioned why their parents altered his genitalia without his consent. I even asked a bunch of my male friends in the last week if they gave it a second thought. None of them have.

I'm actually glad mine did. I despise turtlenecks in all forms.
 
What medical fact?

The various ones listed by the APA, and more than just the ones you stated as the only ones YOU feel are worth doing it for. My issue was with the people stating that there was NO medical reasons, which is just a flat out falsehood. YOU may feel that the medical reasons aren't worth doing it, but that doesn't mean there aren't medical reasons for it.

More red herrings. You pull a tooth when the mouth is overcrowded, or when a cavity has progressed to becoming a potential abcess and is thus life threatening. Hair, nails, and the umbillical cord? Please tell me you are joking. You're a fine debater and even you must see that none of these things are comparable to a foreskin? A foreskin never grows back, and it is a functional part of the entire apparatus. Furthermore, its removal is painful and unnecessary. Maybe if you compared it to something irreplaceable, like cutting off a finger, you'd be closer to the mark.

No red hearing at all. Circumcision does not match up with the definition of "mutilation" unless you read it in the most literalistic way possible, in that change of appearance = degradation of appearance. AND, if you read the definition in such a way, than all the things I listed above are ALSO mutiliation because they all change appearance as well. Now, you can say "Well, that's incredibly different", and yes, I'm not going to say that I think those things are the same as circumcision...but that's because I'm not using a literalistic definition for one thing and a looser definition for the other, but the same standard for them all. Others were not.
 
No red hearing at all. Circumcision does not match up with the definition of "mutilation" unless you read it in the most literalistic way possible, in that change of appearance = degradation of appearance. AND, if you read the definition in such a way, than all the things I listed above are ALSO mutiliation because they all change appearance as well. Now, you can say "Well, that's incredibly different", and yes, I'm not going to say that I think those things are the same as circumcision...but that's because I'm not using a literalistic definition for one thing and a looser definition for the other, but the same standard for them all. Others were not.

Incorrect. It simply said "Degradation of appearance or function". Said nothing about "change of appearance = degradation of appearance", you just added that in there yourself. Cutting off part of the penis that has a function most certainly degrades the appearance and function.

Regardless, changing one's appearance in a manner that is NOT permanent is a tad different than cutting off a body part that cannot grow back.
 
Incorrect. It simply said "Degradation of appearance or function". Said nothing about "change of appearance = degradation of appearance", you just added that in there yourself. Cutting off part of the penis that has a function most certainly degrades the appearance and function.

Yes, it says degradation of appearance. The issue here is there is no clear cut degradation of appearance. Degradation means being changed to a lower or less respected state. However, this is a completley subjective term as has been shown here many feel it enhances, not degrades, the appearance of the penis.

The only way one can say that the snipping of the foreskin unequiviocally equals a degradation of appearance is to have the stance that ANY change to somethings appearance is considered to be a degradation, in which case the above examples apply.

Elsewise, it does not. YOU may feel it degrades the appearance, while others do not. In that case it would be functionally factual for you to say that YOU believe it is Mutiliation, but it would be factually INCORRECT to state that categorically it is TECHNICALLY Mutilation because it does not adhere to the definition of it.

YOU may view it as mutilation all you want, many people view piercing ears as mutilation as well. However, it is factually incorrect to state it as an absolute FACT that it is mutilation because it is not a majorly held opinion that it degrades the appearance of said organ.
 
Yes, it says degradation of appearance. The issue here is there is no clear cut degradation of appearance. Degradation means being changed to a lower or less respected state. However, this is a completley subjective term as has been shown here many feel it enhances, not degrades, the appearance of the penis.

The only way one can say that the snipping of the foreskin unequiviocally equals a degradation of appearance is to have the stance that ANY change to somethings appearance is considered to be a degradation, in which case the above examples apply.

Elsewise, it does not. YOU may feel it degrades the appearance, while others do not. In that case it would be functionally factual for you to say that YOU believe it is Mutiliation, but it would be factually INCORRECT to state that categorically it is TECHNICALLY Mutilation because it does not adhere to the definition of it.

YOU may view it as mutilation all you want, many people view piercing ears as mutilation as well. However, it is factually incorrect to state it as an absolute FACT that it is mutilation because it is not a majorly held opinion that it degrades the appearance of said organ.

Appearance or function. It degrades BOTH. You cut off something that does have a function, thus not only degrading the function of it, but eliminating it altogether.

You can try all you want to make cutting off a body part sound "okay", but it's just not. Especially not for someone who cannot consent to it. If adolescents or adults want to cut off part of their own penis, so be it. They can have at it. Just like they can get tattooed or pierced, etc. But parents should not be making PERMANENT decisions like that for their child for non-medical reasons. We would balk at a parent who pierced their infant's penis. We would balk at a parent who pierced their infant's nipples. Or bellybutton (and those things aren't permanent!!) We would balk at a parent who performed female circumcision. (Which is exactly the same as male circumcision) We would balk at a parent who would tattoo their infant. There's no reason to just accept a parent who would remove part of their infant boy's penis for no life threatening reason.
 
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Balking is one thing. It all comes down to you (general you, not you personally) judging the decisions of other people. And it's really none of anyone's business. It comes down to parental rights to make choices for their children. I chose when to cut his hair for the first time. I choose when he gets to eat candy. I choose his bed time. I make choices on his education. I make choices on his medical care. He's in my care, and I make responsible choices for his well being.

I assume you're a pro-choice woman (I am, too). We make sure women have the right to end the life of a fetus without any concern as to whether or not that child wanted their LIFE. Yet, we're hung up here on the choice to remove a foreskin. I'd ask every man here whose had a circumcision: Would you rather have made the choice yourself and faced the procedure tomorrow, or are you glad it's over and done with and you have no memory of it? I have never met a man yet who wishes he had his foreskin back. To be fair, I know men who have the skin and are glad. The only guys who ever seem to want to make a change are the ones uncut. Frankly, as long as it gets the job done, I think most don't really care one way or the other.
 
When you put it that way, it sounds so bad.

I mean, really, who in their right mind would sign-up to have part of their penis removed?

Dude, this is the internet. I bet there's a lot of wierdos out there who would sign up for that and youtube it. :mrgreen:
 
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