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Marine recruiting station under attack... again

dclxvinoise said:
And what the **** do hippies have to do with it? Is it just because it was in Berkeley?
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Watch the Daily show link that WI Crippler put up way back in the thread. They are total hippies. (The Daily show link is pretty friggin' hillarious, too)
 
Tucker Case said:
Watch the Daily show link that WI Crippler put up way back in the thread. They are total hippies. (The Daily show link is pretty friggin' hillarious, too)
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I take my comment back. That video made me vomit in my mouth a little. It was hilarious though...."puke in my mouth" hilarious.
 
SkyCore said:
What a joke. Why would anyone waste time on a liar? People like you don't have an honest bone in your body because your petty personal agendas motivate you to try and twist anything someone else says just to try and slide in another jab. You have no interest in sincere dialogue because your only purpose here is to overcompensate for lacking self esteem. You make yourself feel better by demonizing anyone who threatens to reveal your shadow.
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i keep addressing the topic and your comments on said topic. Perhaps you can learn a little self control and try discussing the topic instead of hurling childish insults ans puerile name calling.


"bomb the hell out of people"

what do you mean by this?


Do you consider troops Murderers? You avoided this.


:2wave:
 
SkyCore said:
I simply pointed out the self righteous hypocrisy of those who condemn this one act of vandalism but laud bombing places that never attacked us.
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This. folks, is a prime example of misdirection and obfuscation.

Your thoughts about the war in Iraq does nothing to lessen the validity of expressing outrage at the vandalization of this recruiting office.
 
Goobieman said:
This. folks, is a prime example of misdirection and obfuscation.

Your thoughts about the war in Iraq does nothing to lessen the validity of expressing outrage at the vandalization of this recruiting office.
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This, folks, is a prime example of not employing an argument of any kind to counter another's point.

Your thoughts about what is valid or invalid are irrelevant when you provide nothing to back it up.
 
Orius said:
This, folks, is a prime example of not employing an argument of any kind to counter another's point.

Your thoughts about what is valid or invalid are irrelevant when you provide nothing to back it up.
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Nonsense. what he attacked was the red herring offered up by skycore.
 
Orius said:
This, folks, is a prime example of not employing an argument of any kind to counter another's point.
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What WAS the point that I was supposed to counter?
The red herring I quoted?

Your thoughts about what is valid or invalid are irrelevant when you provide nothing to back it up.
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Says he with so much practice at same.
 
dclxvinoise said:
I take my comment back. That video made me vomit in my mouth a little. It was hilarious though...."puke in my mouth" hilarious.
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I think the sad thing about that video while funny at the same times is that the hippies, code pink and other *****fist(*****+pacifist,yeah I know it is basically saying the same thing twice) actually believe what they are saying.
 
WI Crippler said:
I love it when the guy says he feels like they are being occupied just like the Iraqis. :lol:
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I thought it was funny how they were talking about free speech while trying to shut the marines up and drive them out of town.
 
jamesrage said:
I think the sad thing about that video while funny at the same times is that the hippies, code pink and other *****fist(*****+pacifist,yeah I know it is basically saying the same thing twice) actually believe what they are saying.
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While they do firmly believe what they are saying, it's obvious that very little thought goes into it. They are far more interested in promoting their own views than seeing things from other perspectives that may differ from their own. I guess that's why they are called extremists, though.
 
jamesrage said:
I thought it was funny how they were talking about free speech while trying to shut the marines up and drive them out of town.
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I'd love to see what their definition of free speech actually is.
 
Goobieman said:
This. folks, is a prime example of misdirection and obfuscation.

Your thoughts about the war in Iraq does nothing to lessen the validity of expressing outrage at the vandalization of this recruiting office.
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Can't blame you for saying that. If I was guilty of practicing hypocrisy I'd try to hide behind empty claims of obfuscation as well. Either that or stone up and admit I hold a double standard.
 
SkyCore said:
Hell no I didn't read the whole thing...even if you wanted to your enlistment would be over by the time you finished. It's like a metro phonebook for NYC, LA, Tokyo, and Russia all wrapped in one.
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Here are some of the forms you have signed.

www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/infomgt/forms/eforms/dd0004.pdf



Saying "it's in the contract" is no less silly than when slaveowners justified having slaves and serfs by pointing to a "contract."
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This is an absurd comparison.You are not under ownership of anyone,you are compensated with a monthly wage, your room and board are practically taken care of even if you live off post so it is less money you have to use from your pay to pay for those things,you have free medical and dental and you least get a 100-200 dollars(this was over 5 years ago) a year that goes towards(I say goes towards because depending on MOS you may need more than a 100-200 dollars for uniforms and boots) paying for more uniforms and boots.
Plus if you read your history books you would know that practically all slaves couldn't read. Those joining the military must at least have a high school diploma or equivalent or be in highschool and pass a ASVAB test.So those entering the military must be able to display some form of intellegence and be able to read at the same time.

It's not called a "back-door draft" for nothing.
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It isn't a back door draft, it is right on your contract.One of the main forms you sign dd form 4/1, on the back of it states stop loss and all that other stuff. You should be able to look at your copy of dd form 4/1 and see this on the back of one of it.

10. MILITARY SERVICE OBLIGATION, SERVICE ON ACTIVE
DUTY AND STOP-LOSS FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE ACTIVE
AND RESERVE COMPONENTS, INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
GUARD.
a. FOR ALL ENLISTEES: If this is my initial enlistment, I must
serve a total of eight (8) years, unless I am sooner discharged or
otherwise extended by the appropriate authority. This eight year
service requirement is called the Military Service Obligation. Any
part of that service not served on active duty must be served in the
Reserve Component of the service in which I have enlisted. If this is
a reenlistment, I must serve the number of years specified in this
agreement, unless I am sooner discharged or otherwise extended
by the appropriate authority. Some laws that affect when I may be
ordered to serve on active duty, the length of my service on active
duty, and the length of my service in the Reserve Component, even
beyond the eight years of my Military Service Obligation, are
discussed in the following paragraphs.
b. I understand that I can be ordered to active duty at any time
while I am a member of the DEP. In a time of war, my enlistment
may be extended without my consent for the duration of the war and
for six months after its end (10 U.S.C. 506, 12103(c)).
c. As a member of a Reserve Component of an Armed Force, in
time of war or of national emergency declared by the Congress, I
may, without my consent, be ordered to serve on active duty, for the
entire period of the war or emergency and for six (6) months after its
end (10 U.S.C. 12301(a)). My enlistment may be extended during
this period without my consent (10 U.S.C. 12103(c)

d. As a member of the Ready Reserve (to include Delayed
Entry Program), in time of national emergency declared by the
President, I may, without my consent, be ordered to serve on
active duty, and my military service may be extended without
my consent, for not more than 24 consecutive months (10
U.S.C. 12302). My enlistment may be extended during this
period without my consent (see paragraph 10g).
e. As a member of the Ready Reserve, I may, at any time
and without my consent, be ordered to active duty to complete
a total of 24 months of active duty, and my enlistment may be
extended so I can complete the total of 24 months of active
duty, if:
(1) I am not assigned to, or participating unsatisfactorily in,
a unit of the Ready Reserve; and
(2) I have not met my Reserve obligation; and
(3) I have not served on active duty for a total of 24
months (10 U.S.C. 12303).
f. As a member of the Selected Reserve or as a member
of the Individual Ready Reserve mobilization category, when
the President determines that it is necessary to augment the
active forces for any operational mission or for certain
emergencies, I may, without my consent, be ordered to active
duty for not more than 365 days (10 U.S.C. 12304). My
enlistment may be extended during this period without my
consent (see paragraph 10g).
g. During any period members of a Reserve component
are serving on active duty pursuant to an order to active duty
under authority of 10 U.S.C. 12301, 12302, or 12304, the
President may suspend any provision of law relating to my
promotion, retirement, or separation from the Armed Forces if
he or his designee determines I am essential to the national
security of the United States. Such an action may result in an
extension, without my consent, of the length of service
specified in this agreement. Such an extension is often called
a "stop-loss" extension (10 U.S.C. 12305).
h. I may, without my consent, be ordered to perform
additional active duty training for not more than 45 days if I
have not fulfilled my military service obligation and fail in any
year to perform the required training duty satisfactorily. If the
failure occurs during the last year of my required membership
in the Ready Reserves, my enlistment may be extended until I
perform that additional duty, but not for more than six months
(10 U.S.C. 10148).
 
WI Crippler said:
I love it when the guy says he feels like they are being occupied just like the Iraqis. :lol:
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That's just xxx bizarre. What kind of a freaking moron would say that?
 
WI Crippler said:
I love it when the guy says he feels like they are being occupied just like the Iraqis. :lol:
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That's just xxx bizarre. What kind of a freaking moron would say that?
 
jamesrage said:
Here are some of the forms you have signed.

www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/infomgt/forms/eforms/dd0004.pdf





This is an absurd comparison.You are not under ownership of anyone,you are compensated with a monthly wage, your room and board are practically taken care of even if you live off post so it is less money you have to use from your pay to pay for those things,you have free medical and dental and you least get a 100-200 dollars(this was over 5 years ago) a year that goes towards(I say goes towards because depending on MOS you may need more than a 100-200 dollars for uniforms and boots) paying for more uniforms and boots.
Plus if you read your history books you would know that practically all slaves couldn't read. Those joining the military must at least have a high school diploma or equivalent or be in highschool and pass a ASVAB test.So those entering the military must be able to display some form of intellegence and be able to read at the same time.



It isn't a back door draft, it is right on your contract.One of the main forms you sign dd form 4/1, on the back of it states stop loss and all that other stuff. You should be able to look at your copy of dd form 4/1 and see this on the back of one of it.

10. MILITARY SERVICE OBLIGATION, SERVICE ON ACTIVE
DUTY AND STOP-LOSS FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE ACTIVE
AND RESERVE COMPONENTS, INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
GUARD.
a. FOR ALL ENLISTEES: If this is my initial enlistment, I must
serve a total of eight (8) years, unless I am sooner discharged or
otherwise extended by the appropriate authority. This eight year
service requirement is called the Military Service Obligation. Any
part of that service not served on active duty must be served in the
Reserve Component of the service in which I have enlisted. If this is
a reenlistment, I must serve the number of years specified in this
agreement, unless I am sooner discharged or otherwise extended
by the appropriate authority. Some laws that affect when I may be
ordered to serve on active duty, the length of my service on active
duty, and the length of my service in the Reserve Component, even
beyond the eight years of my Military Service Obligation, are
discussed in the following paragraphs.
b. I understand that I can be ordered to active duty at any time
while I am a member of the DEP. In a time of war, my enlistment
may be extended without my consent for the duration of the war and
for six months after its end (10 U.S.C. 506, 12103(c)).
c. As a member of a Reserve Component of an Armed Force, in
time of war or of national emergency declared by the Congress, I
may, without my consent, be ordered to serve on active duty, for the
entire period of the war or emergency and for six (6) months after its
end (10 U.S.C. 12301(a)). My enlistment may be extended during
this period without my consent (10 U.S.C. 12103(c)

d. As a member of the Ready Reserve (to include Delayed
Entry Program), in time of national emergency declared by the
President, I may, without my consent, be ordered to serve on
active duty, and my military service may be extended without
my consent, for not more than 24 consecutive months (10
U.S.C. 12302). My enlistment may be extended during this
period without my consent (see paragraph 10g).
e. As a member of the Ready Reserve, I may, at any time
and without my consent, be ordered to active duty to complete
a total of 24 months of active duty, and my enlistment may be
extended so I can complete the total of 24 months of active
duty, if:
(1) I am not assigned to, or participating unsatisfactorily in,
a unit of the Ready Reserve; and
(2) I have not met my Reserve obligation; and
(3) I have not served on active duty for a total of 24
months (10 U.S.C. 12303).
f. As a member of the Selected Reserve or as a member
of the Individual Ready Reserve mobilization category, when
the President determines that it is necessary to augment the
active forces for any operational mission or for certain
emergencies, I may, without my consent, be ordered to active
duty for not more than 365 days (10 U.S.C. 12304). My
enlistment may be extended during this period without my
consent (see paragraph 10g).
g. During any period members of a Reserve component
are serving on active duty pursuant to an order to active duty
under authority of 10 U.S.C. 12301, 12302, or 12304, the
President may suspend any provision of law relating to my
promotion, retirement, or separation from the Armed Forces if
he or his designee determines I am essential to the national
security of the United States. Such an action may result in an
extension, without my consent, of the length of service
specified in this agreement. Such an extension is often called
a "stop-loss" extension (10 U.S.C. 12305).
h. I may, without my consent, be ordered to perform
additional active duty training for not more than 45 days if I
have not fulfilled my military service obligation and fail in any
year to perform the required training duty satisfactorily. If the
failure occurs during the last year of my required membership
in the Ready Reserves, my enlistment may be extended until I
perform that additional duty, but not for more than six months
(10 U.S.C. 10148).
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Being paid a wage doesn't mean slavery cannot be present as some slaves and serfs have been paid while enslaved. Also, not all signed contracts are legal so the excuse of "the contract is voluntarily signed!" fails to recognize there is an entire division of the legal world where lawyers and courts focus specifically on the legality of contracts.

Finally, it's somewhat strange because it seems many who keep screaming "contract" are also the same groups that ignore the fact the Bush admin broke the law with invading iraq. So in one arena, the letter of the contract is paramount, but in a different arena, the legality of contracts are irrelevent.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Well, they wouldn't want to have to worry about getting their asses kicked.

:lol:
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Yup, i don't think the marines would like that very much.

I recall a story a while back when a marine caught a liberal vandalizing his car, because he had a Marines bumper sticker.

Turns out that that fine guy was a liberal, and tried to sue him for detaining him.
 
SkyCore said:
Being paid a wage doesn't mean slavery cannot be present as some slaves and serfs have been paid while enslaved. Also, not all signed contracts are legal so the excuse of "the contract is voluntarily signed!" fails to recognize there is an entire division of the legal world where lawyers and courts focus specifically on the legality of contracts.

Finally, it's somewhat strange because it seems many who keep screaming "contract" are also the same groups that ignore the fact the Bush admin broke the law with invading iraq. So in one arena, the letter of the contract is paramount, but in a different arena, the legality of contracts are irrelevent.
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Nice another red herring.

Face it you are wrong. YOu were ignorant of your contract and you want to call all of us who served "slaves" because of stop-loss, when all you had to do was read your contract.


The war was not illegal. We are sovereign not subservient to the UN global socialists/.
 
SkyCore said:
Being paid a wage doesn't mean slavery cannot be present as some slaves and serfs have been paid while enslaved.
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Did you cheat on your ASVAB test to get in the military,did the military start allowing high school dropouts who haven't even got a good enough diploma(GED) to join the military?


Also, not all signed contracts are legal so the excuse of "the contract is voluntarily signed!" fails to recognize there is an entire division of the legal world where lawyers and courts focus specifically on the legality of contracts
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Are you trying to argue that a military contract is not legal?
 
SkyCore said:
Can't blame you for saying that. well. Either that or stone up and admit I hold a double standard.
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What you fail to understand that is that even if the person making the point is hypocritical in doing so, that alone does not invalidate the point.

And so, rather than address the point, you misdirect the conversation towards the supposed hypocrisy.

If -I- had no way of effectively addressing the heart of the matter, I'd do what you're doing -- using obfuscation and misdirection to change the focus of the discussion.
 
SkyCore said:
Being paid a wage doesn't mean slavery cannot be present as some slaves and serfs have been paid while enslaved. Also, not all signed contracts are legal so the excuse of "the contract is voluntarily signed!" fails to recognize there is an entire division of the legal world where lawyers and courts focus specifically on the legality of contracts.
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Show that the contracts are illegal.
 
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