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Water not recognized as a human right

RightinNYC said:
Without food, a person will die in 3 weeks. Are you okay with for-profit corporations having that type of control?
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People can live for up to 4 weeks without food and can sustain themselves if they have clean water to drink and use for crops and livestock. I suggest you watch the documentary called "Flow."
 
Middleground said:
There was a time when people bathed once a year. Did they all die of lice?
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Certainly they didn't but they did die bubonic plague and on and on....
I was just making a point that there are so many ways different things can kill you.

You can die of exposure to the elements before you die from the lack of water.

Its part of the rules of 3, 3 hours exposure, 3 days water, 3 weeks food.
That is a generality though.

Should we now make housing a right because it can kill you faster than not having water.
 
thabigred said:
No one has the right to water, or entitlement to water, it is a good like anything else.
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But people should have the right to pay reasonable prices for clean, reliable water access baring special concerns like massive drought. Free water is a bad idea, but so is completely unregulated water markets.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Certainly they didn't but they did die bubonic plague and on and on....
I was just making a point that there are so many ways different things can kill you.

You can die of exposure to the elements before you die from the lack of water.

Its part of the rules of 3, 3 hours exposure, 3 days water, 3 weeks food.
That is a generality though.

Should we now make housing a right because it can kill you faster than not having water.
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People own houses.

Who owns water?

Please take the time to read this:

Who Owns Water? by Maude Barlow and Tony Clark, 2/2/02
 
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Middleground said:
People can live for up to 4 weeks without food and can sustain themselves if they have clean water to drink and use for crops and livestock.
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Okay, 4 weeks instead of 3. How does any of that change the point?

I suggest you watch the documentary called "Flow."
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I already read this. It didn't convince me, so I doubt some documentary will.
 
Middleground said:
Who owns water?
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It's called mineral rights I believe, in order to mine or open a well you have to own the rights to a land and it's rights to extract it's minerals. This may just be for oil, but I am sure there are corresponding things just as for water. Since most water in US comes from wells, it would be done mostly through these means.
 
thabigred said:
It's called mineral rights I believe, in order to mine or open a well you have to own the rights to a land and it's rights to extract it's minerals. This may just be for oil, but I am sure there are corresponding things just as for water. Since most water in US comes from wells, it would be done mostly through these means.
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Not making fun of them but the Canadian government pull a fast one on land owners and decided to sell their mineral rights online without informing the land owners that they didn't own them anymore.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Not making fun of them but the Canadian government pull a fast one on land owners and decided to sell their mineral rights online without informing the land owners that they didn't own them anymore.
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Yeah they did. They are also allowing ponds and lakes in certain provinces to be used exclusively by industry, since those industries pollute them fecklessly. If your well water is connected to those sources, then you technically don't own the water, but only the actual well because it's on your property. It's just completely ridiculous.

If your property's water table is shared by property owned by a corporation that is bottling water, technically that water is not "yours" anymore. It's theirs. This is the problem facing North America right now. Because water doesn't have a fixed location, no one person can fight against its removal from another site.

I think shared use clauses are taking a back seat to greed.
 
Orius said:
Yeah they did. They are also allowing ponds and lakes in certain provinces to be used exclusively by industry, since those industries pollute them fecklessly. If your well water is connected to those sources, then you technically don't own the water, but only the actual well because it's on your property. It's just completely ridiculous.

If your property's water table is shared by property owned by a corporation that is bottling water, technically that water is not "yours" anymore. It's theirs. This is the problem facing North America right now. Because water doesn't have a fixed location, no one person can fight against its removal from another site.

I think shared use clauses are taking a back seat to greed.
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I think it was ultimately the greed of the government.

I read a story about a homeless guy that lived next door to some small family land owner and one day he just showed up on their property marking it and digging it up and there was nothing they could do.

(Edit: Whats really funny though is that someone bought the PM's mineral rights under that too. Freakin hilarious.)
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
Not making fun of them but the Canadian government pull a fast one on land owners and decided to sell their mineral rights online without informing the land owners that they didn't own them anymore.
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My grandma made 750,000 dollars recently pertaining to mineral rights.

My family used to own a farm in Idaho in the 70's and later moved to Florida, she was recently looking to sell the farm and found out the oil companies were directional drilling from neighbors land into ours to get the oil. She threatened lawsuit and she settled out of court selling mineral rights for 750,000.
 
thabigred said:
My grandma made 750,000 dollars recently pertaining to mineral rights.

My family used to own a farm in Idaho in the 70's and later moved to Florida, she was recently looking to sell the farm and found out the oil companies were directional drilling from neighbors land into ours to get the oil. She threatened lawsuit and she settled out of court selling mineral rights for 750,000.
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Probably could of got a lot more depending on which side of the mountains the land was on.

Western Idaho is big money right now.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Probably could of got a lot more depending on which side of the mountains the land was on.

Western Idaho is big money right now.
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Right outside where ever the guys who made the first monster trucks are, I remember my dad mentioning he was from there.
 
thabigred said:
Right outside where ever the guys who made the first monster trucks are, I remember my dad mentioning he was from there.
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I was looking to move there possibly and buy some acreage. When I saw the price my jaw dropped.

I couldn't understand at first why land was so expensive there. As if Idaho was some great desirable place. Then I found out that Microsoft opened up a place there as well as all the natural resources being used.

If I'm not mistaken the mineral rights in Canada sold for $25 an acre.
That was a cheap underhanded move by their government.
 
A lot of celebrities have land around that area, it's one of the prime areas in the countries around the mountains to go sking, and it's beautiful all year round. My dad is actually looking to buy some land up there before it becomes to populated and over priced.
 
thabigred said:
A lot of celebrities have land around that area, it's one of the prime areas in the countries around the mountains to go sking, and it's beautiful all year round. My dad is actually looking to buy some land up there before it becomes to populated and over priced.
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I hate to tell him but ehh in my opinion that time has passed.
Some places are mega expensive.

I'm looking in the mid-west, north-mid-west area. I just hate cold weather though.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I hate to tell him but ehh in my opinion that time has passed.
Some places are mega expensive.

I'm looking in the mid-west, north-mid-west area. I just hate cold weather though.
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It's more of a business proposition, he is working out plans with the government to acquire a hot spring to make thermo-eletrical facility.
 
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