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Pope condemns sexual violence against women

ludahai said:
It can mean both, though after re-reading the original post, the context and the use of the word "the" leads me to believe your original interpretation was correct. However, I will await his explanation before passing final judgement on the post.
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I am not a Protestant. Though I was raised one. I meant the rejected texts, not the recent ones by Martin Luther.
 
Felicity said:
It's a mortification? What's your point? Something "political?"
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Isn't fish a meat? Let me guess, only warm blooded meat right? So I could eat rattlesnake on Fridays during lent and it would be okay?

The fish markets couldn't afford to lose a day of business every week during Lent.
 
Felicity said:
The question is what books are you talking about. "The Apocrypha" are what Protestants call Deuterocanonical books that are in the Catholic Bible, but not in the Protestant version. Name one book that you are referring to and I can tell what you're speaking of.
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The First Book of Adam and Eve
The Second Book of Adam and Eve
The Book of the Secrets of Enoch
The Psalms of Solomon
The Odes of Solomon
The Letter of Aristeas
Fourth Book of Maccabees
The Story of Ahikar
The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
Testament of Reuben
Testament of Simeon
Testament of Levi
The Testament of Judah
The Testament of Issachar
The Testament of Zebulun
The Testament of Dan
The Testament of Naphtali
The Testament Of Gad
The Testament of Asher
The Testament of Joseph
The Testament of Benjamin
Enoch, Michael the Archangel, and Jannes and Jambres
Book of Jubilees
Assumption of Moses
Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
The Infancy Gospel of James
The Gospel of Judas
The Gospel of Thomas
 
puh-leez--that's ridiculous, IT.:roll:

We do not eat meat on Fridays of lent as a form of penance. I am not a fish-fan, so I generally eat spaghetti or mac n cheese. I suppose the Vatican is supporting the pasta industry in addition to the fish mongers worldwide by 7 days of abstinence from meat in a whole year. Spare me.:roll:
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
The First Book of Adam and Eve
The Second Book of Adam and Eve
The Book of the Secrets of Enoch
The Psalms of Solomon
The Odes of Solomon
The Letter of Aristeas
Fourth Book of Maccabees
The Story of Ahikar
The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
Testament of Reuben
Testament of Simeon
Testament of Levi
The Testament of Judah
The Testament of Issachar
The Testament of Zebulun
The Testament of Dan
The Testament of Naphtali
The Testament Of Gad
The Testament of Asher
The Testament of Joseph
The Testament of Benjamin
Enoch, Michael the Archangel, and Jannes and Jambres
Book of Jubilees
Assumption of Moses
Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
The Infancy Gospel of James
The Gospel of Judas
The Gospel of Thomas
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One would do.

Okay--so where's the "disproportionate" number of stories about women? You didn't even list the Gospel of Mary (Magdalene). Those are all men.
 
Felicity said:
puh-leez--that's ridiculous, IT.:roll:

We do not eat meat on Fridays of lent as a form of penance. I am not a fish-fan, so I generally eat spaghetti or mac n cheese. I suppose the Vatican is supporting the pasta industry in addition to the fish mongers worldwide by 7 days of abstinence from meat in a whole year. Spare me.:roll:
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The point is rules change. Change happens incredibly slowly at Vatican level but it does happen. There are married priests under Vatican rule. I imagine eventually all priests will be able to marry. That will probably happen long before women are allowed to be ordained.
 
Felicity said:
puh-leez--that's ridiculous, IT.:roll:

We do not eat meat on Fridays of lent as a form of penance. I am not a fish-fan, so I generally eat spaghetti or mac n cheese. I suppose the Vatican is supporting the pasta industry in addition to the fish mongers worldwide by 7 days of abstinence from meat in a whole year. Spare me.:roll:
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Is fish a vegetable, dairy, fruit, or a grain?
 
Felicity said:
One would do.

Okay--so where's the "disproportionate" number of stories about women? You didn't even list the Gospel of Mary (Magdalene). Those are all men.
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Yeah, I didn't list all 66 or whatever the number is. Did I mention the peretual virginity of Mary?

I'm not going through all the books and counting. Just because the books don't have a woman in the title doesn't mean that they aren't discussed.

How come Jesus didn't have any female disciples?
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Is fish a vegetable, dairy, fruit, or a grain?
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It's meat--fish meat. Big whoop. The act is an act of mortification--forgoing something that is a luxury. The reason we do it together as the body of Christ during Lent is for unity of practice to give glory to God. It is "nothing" in the grand scheme--like a child giving dandelion weeds to Mommy because he loves her.
 
talloulou said:
The point is rules change. Change happens incredibly slowly at Vatican level but it does happen. There are married priests under Vatican rule. I imagine eventually all priests will be able to marry. That will probably happen long before women are allowed to be ordained.
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Someday perhaps priest will be chosen from among men who marry--women never will be priests. It's a settled matter. JPII made it infallibly clear.


Some things are disciplines and some things are doctrine. Discipline can change--doctrine, never.
 
Felicity said:
It's meat--fish meat. Big whoop. The act is an act of mortification--forgoing something that is a luxury. The reason we do it together as the body of Christ during Lent is for unity of practice to give glory to God. It is "nothing" in the grand scheme--like a child giving dandelion weeds to Mommy because he loves her.
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Really? I thought it was about sacrifice on the day that John 3:16 is talking about. I thought it was for penance.
 
http://www.ewtn.com/library/DOCTRINE/MALEPRIE.TXT
In May of 1994 John Paul II promulgated <Ordinatio Sacerdotalis>
which declared definitely that the Catholic priesthood is reserved
for males. That document nonetheless contained some language that
was difficult to interpret. As a result, Cardinal Ratzinger made
an official clarification (<Responsum ad Dubium>) in November of
1995, making it quite clear that the Church has taught infallibly
on this matter.

Hence, the question of the priesthood in its relation to
sexuality-a question usually posed more simply as "Why can there
not be women priests?"-has now been answered in a definitive way.
There is no longer any doubt that reserving Holy Orders to males
is part of the deposit of faith.
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Felicity said:
Someday perhaps priest will be chosen from among men who marry--women never will be priests. It's a settled matter. JPII made it infallibly clear.


Some things are disciplines and some things are doctrine. Discipline can change--doctrine, never.
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JPII didn't make an infallible declaration.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Really? I thought it was about sacrifice on the day that John 3:16 is talking about. I thought it was for penance.
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It is about sacrifice and penance...and we do it together as one body, with Christ as our head. What aren't you understanding?
 
ludahai said:
Sure, but there are some people on here (not you) who have a knee-jerk reaction of criticizing the Church that is born of bigotry.
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Of course. It more than likely stems from ignorance or fear(or both). You're not going to be able to change that feeling. That kind of healing comes from within.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Really?

Aren't they considered to be of dubious nature? Or are you only speaking of Catholic apocrypha?
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You are the one who brought up "The Apocrypha." It isn't that straight forward, however, there is a collection of books and chapters that Martin Luther and his Protestant deformers took out that are commonly referred to by Protestants as "The Apocrypha." There are other books that are referred to as aprocryphal (with a small "a") that are of dubious nature for a variety of reasons - though may still be very useful in the study of Christianity and the life of a Christian.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I am not a Protestant. Though I was raised one. I meant the rejected texts, not the recent ones by Martin Luther.
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The way you used "The Apocrypha" was in reference to the texts rejected by Luther.

As it is, there is no single, authoritative collection of apocryphal books. Please be more specific. However, having said that, are you going to deny that there are many incredible stories of women of faith and courage in the Bible (the more complete Catholic version that is) as it exists today?
 
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