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Concerns Over Popes Rejection of Condoms for Combating AIDS

but you are not 100% safe.
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Theres nothing on this planet that can guarentee you 100% safety. This should go without saying. But is that an excuse to ignore condoms all together?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Because I know what the word "safe" means.

Because I posted a little word movie, just for you, to illustrate the difference between "safe" and "safer". Since that movied didn't work, please refund me the price of your ticket.

And at the most, it's a paraboic analogy. Falling bodies in constant gravity fields do not follow hyperbolas.
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Well, then we are just arguing semantics here, which is pointless. I think we can both agree that condoms aren't 100% effective.
 
TheNextEra said:
Actually I will agree with Scarecrow here on the wording. Condoms themselves are not safe, it is the proper use of condoms that makes it safer than not using them.

Afterall safe implies that you can't get pregnant, catch STDS, etc. at least in my mind.

Proper condom use is waaaaaay safer than not using one, but you are not 100% safe.

Either way, I would prefer educating Africans on proper condom use rather than telling them to abstain.
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YOU understand perfectly.

Thank you.
 
kaya'08 said:
Theres nothing on this planet that can guarentee you 100% safety. This should go without saying. But is that an excuse to ignore condoms all together?
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I don't recall saying they should do that.

They should be allowed recognize the difference between "safe" and "safer" and be enabled to make their own choices.

They get to buy their own condoms, too.
 
kaya'08 said:
Theres nothing on this planet that can guarentee you 100% safety. This should go without saying. But is that an excuse to ignore condoms all together?
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Where did you get I was saying ignore condoms all together?

I was just saying that the proper wording is in fact SAFER and not SAFE is all.

I think I clarified that in my last statement that I would rather them be educated in proper condom use than abstinence alone.
 
Laila said:
I had a Nigerian catholic friend once, he refused to use a condom during sex and what do you know, he contracted HIV. I'd pity him but he got himself into that position
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Well, then he only followed half of the church's teaching, didn't he? Had he saved the sex for a committed marital relationship with someone whose sexual history and HIV status he knew, he wouldn't have contracted HIV. The church teaches that, too.
 
Laila said:
Condoms is not a solution but it is a wonderful starting place.

Muslim Sub Saharan Africa has little aids and not to the scale of other places, you get a step into where the Pope has his stranglehold and deathgrip and you notice it's off the roof.
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Perhaps because the Muslims in northern Africa are doing exactly what the Pope suggests?
 
dclxvinoise said:
They aren't 100% effective, but they are far more effective than not using anything at all. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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It is better to be safe than sorry? Wouldn't the safest thing be to following the teachings of the Church and NOT have sexual intercourse outside of marriage?
 
ludahai said:
It is better to be safe than sorry? Wouldn't the safest thing be to following the teachings of the Church and NOT have sexual intercourse outside of marriage?
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Not everyone subscribes to that religious ideology. I certainly don't. It's absurd to expect everyone to.
 
ludahai said:
It is better to be safe than sorry? Wouldn't the safest thing be to following the teachings of the Church and NOT have sexual intercourse outside of marriage?
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Sure. Abstinence is the safest method, but I believe that asking people to go against their primal nature is sure to fail most of the time. I know that abstinence was not a feasible option for me, thus protection and not sleeping with promiscuous women has worked for me so far. :2razz:
 
EgoffTib said:
Sure. Abstinence is the safest method, but I believe that asking people to go against their primal nature is sure to fail most of the time. I know that abstinence was not a feasible option for me, thus protection and not sleeping with promiscuous women has worked for me so far. :2razz:
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The primary problem in these parts of the world where HIV/AIDS is most prevalent is the lack of empowerment in women to make their own sexual decisions. That is where we need to focus our efforts.
 
ludahai said:
The primary problem in these parts of the world where HIV/AIDS is most prevalent is the lack of empowerment in women to make their own sexual decisions. That is where we need to focus our efforts.
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I agree entirely.
 
ludahai said:
It would be equally absurd to expect the Pope to advocate anything that would going against a fundamental teaching of the Church.
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I completely agree.
 
TheNextEra said:
Where did you get I was saying ignore condoms all together?

I was just saying that the proper wording is in fact SAFER and not SAFE is all.

I think I clarified that in my last statement that I would rather them be educated in proper condom use than abstinence alone.
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That post wasnt directed at your or anybody. Where have i indicated that it was directed at you? I just took a quote, and made a simple statement because somebody earlier basically said condoms dont actually work and only serve to make the user feel safe. Which is incorrect.
 
new coup for you said:
so the question becomes why are their teachings so obviously flawed
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How are they "obviously flawed"?

If you and your partner followed the church's teachings -- that sex should be reserved for a committed marital relationship, in which you should be well aware of your partner's HIV status, among other things (which, unless extraordinarily unlucky, should be HIV-free, having followed those teachings), then your risk of contracting or spreading HIV is low to nil.

People love to latch on to the "no contraceptives" part, but ignore the rest of it.
 
Harshaw said:
How are they "obviously flawed"?

If you and your partner followed the church's teachings -- that sex should be reserved for a committed marital relationship, in which you should be well aware of your partner's HIV status, among other things (which, unless extraordinarily unlucky, should be HIV-free, having followed those teachings), then your risk of contracting or spreading HIV is low to nil.

People love to latch on to the "no contraceptives" part, but ignore the rest of it.
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None of it works.
 
ludahai said:
Perhaps because the Muslims in northern Africa are doing exactly what the Pope suggests?
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African Muslims are better Catholics than actual Catholics? LOL
Perhaps the catholics in Africa need to take a leaf out of the Qu'ran then xD

Btw, we do in some parts use condoms when needed ...
 
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ludahai said:
It is better to be safe than sorry? Wouldn't the safest thing be to following the teachings of the Church and NOT have sexual intercourse outside of marriage?
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What crazy person is going to abstain from sex? Religious or no.
You would be hard press to find in the 21st century someone actually saving themselves for marriage.
 
The Pope needs to focus on what he knows best which is buying new shoes and leave the sex stuff to people who actually have sex.
 
Laila said:
What crazy person is going to abstain from sex? Religious or no.
You would be hard press to find in the 21st century someone actually saving themselves for marriage.
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Not sure about that because there is a whole movement with teens now that are so called saving themselves for marriage. It is like these teens consider it their way of rebelling or something. They feel saving themselves is such a huge deal. Kinda almost like they are willing to torture themselves to the point where they must remain pure. Reminds me of Jesus. :mrgreen:

Ever heard of Straight Edge? These teens are pretty hard core but it seems to vary as to what some will/ can and cannot do, etc.
 
Goobieman said:
I think that you can disgaree all you want with the Pope, but you do so understanding that your disagreement means nothing.
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Wow....

Spoken like a true diehard catholic.

I'm shocked.
 
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