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Pope in Africa says church must help the poor

You actually believe using condoms is safer than following the teachings of the Church? :rofl

Abstinence approach : Fail.

FOXNews.com - Study Finds Abstinence-Only Programs Fail to Reduce Teen Sexual Behavior - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News

Programs that focus exclusively on abstinence have not been shown to affect teenager sexual behavior, although they are eligible for tens of millions of dollars in federal grants, according to a study released by a nonpartisan group that seeks to reduce teen pregnancies.

Experts say US sex abstinence program doesn't work | Reuters

WASHINGTON, April 23 (Reuters) - Programs teaching U.S. schoolchildren to abstain from sex have not cut teen pregnancies or sexually transmitted diseases or delayed the age at which sex begins, health groups told Congress on Wednesday.

The Bush administration, however, voiced continuing support for such programs during a hearing before a House of Representatives panel even as many Democrats called for cutting off federal money for so-called abstinence-only instruction.

Contraception : Pass

Aidsmap | Microbicide reduces HIV infections by 30% in first success for field

Campaigners were celebrating the results of a trial of a microbicide to prevent HIV that has produced a positive result, the first one to do so. The results of the HPTN 035 were announced at the Sixteenth Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections in Montreal today.

Microbicides are chemicals that can be incorporated into gels, foams or devices that can be used in the vagina (and potentially the rectum) to prevent HIV transmission during sex. A number of previous studies in women in sub-Saharan Africa have failed to show a protective effect of microbicide candidates, including Carraguard and cellulose sulphate (UsherCell).

HIV infections to soar by 75 per cent | NSW/ACT | News.com.au

Condom use is known to dramatically cut the risk of HIV transmission. But even though researchers have previously found that condom use has been falling, David Wilson, the lead author of the report, said the reduction in condom use could account for only part of the increase in infections.

"The only way we could account for the increases that were observed is with the coupling of both the direct effects of the lack of protection due to decreased condom use, with the increase in other sexually transmitted infections also caused by decreased condom use," he said.

...........seriously. That you're still arguing against a fact is pretty sad. The teachings of the church rely on being naive and ignoring biological and social factors. Condom use relies on common sense. One lowers the rate of HIV. The other has been shown to make it worse.
 
Related...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/world/europe/20briefs-AIDSAGENCYTA_BRF.html?ref=world

Article said:
Published: March 20, 2009

The United Nations AIDS agency has joined the chorus of politicians and activists critical of Pope Benedict XVI for saying as he embarked on a tour of Africa this week that condoms “increase the problem” of the disease. With more than 7,400 new infections of H.I.V., which causes AIDS, reported daily, “condoms are an essential part of combination prevention,” the agency, Unaids, said Thursday in a statement issued from its Geneva headquarters. The statement added that the condom was “the single, most efficient, available technology to reduce the sexual transmission of H.I.V. and other sexually transmitted infections.” Unaids said it had made strides in getting sexually active young people in many African countries to start using condoms. The pope, who said Mass before some 60,000 people in Yaoundé, Cameroon, on Thursday, had stressed abstinence as the key method to combat AIDS.

It's not that the Pope is only supporting abstinence only education, but he is also spreading misinformation about condoms, calling them ineffective and problematic.
 
Do you think Africans are too stupid, or too morally bankrupt to learn to control the behaviors that spread AIDS?


Africa | Catholic Relief Services --and that's just the USCCB. Worldwide, Catholic charitable services are leaders in caring for those in need.
I would exchange "stupid, or too morally bankrupt" with uneducated. :roll:
 
Yeah--he could lead them in prayer--...keep having sex outside of the bond of marriage and pray that the little latex prophylactic baking in the African sun holds up. Great plan.:doh
People will have sex. The primal instinct to procreate is too strong to deny. Abstinence education fails. A condom has a better change of protection than prayer, obviously, or else prayer would have solved all our problems.
 
Follow Catholic teaching on the matter and marry someone who also follows the teachings--you are 100% guaranteed to be AIDS free (barring a rape or a horrible needle-stick accident)
100%... except those exceptions... and others... :roll:
 
Are you supporting their teaching, or introducing confusion by suggesting a piece of latex will keep someone "safe" while engaging in risky behaviors?
Like wearing a seat belt while driving? Or how about putting a helmet on kids riding a bicycle...
 
It's not the Catholic Church's mission to teach sex education outside of their doctrine. If other groups want to teach sex education that includes birth control and condoms, that's fine. I don't see the Catholic Church holding a gun to anyone's head and banning them from doing so.

What the Church does do in Africa is it spends vast amounts of resources caring for people who are in a bad way while maintaining its own principles. Anyone who has a problem with them doing good work in any way they can is just being a retarded idealogue who cares more about bashing the good samaritan than he or she does about the people in need.
Sure they are, the gun being eternity in hell.
 
Not everyone "gets it." Very many think that is what the Church teaches.

In fact--if there were any way to prove it, I'd be willing to wager only a few people on these threads have a clue as to why the Church is against artificial BC--and the rest don't care. They are happy to keep flailing at the straw man because the point is to bash and have fun doing it rather than to actually LEARN something and have a more open mind to the different ways people view the world.
Let me give it a shot. The church believes that it's gods role to determine when and if you get pregnant. Therefore, doing anything that might impede gods will must be the workings of satan. How close am I?
 
Thanks to people who teach abstinence only.

teaching someone something that is 100% effective when used, is making someone "uneducated." OOOokay.:doh
 
People will have sex. The primal instinct to procreate is too strong to deny.
Bull****. people go without sex every day. I bet you know a whole lot about it.;)
 
Let me give it a shot. The church believes that it's gods role to determine when and if you get pregnant. Therefore, doing anything that might impede gods will must be the workings of satan. How close am I?

Wrong.

Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off.
 
I think it is more important for some to attack the church than it is to help africa. sad really.


if you think about what he says it makes sense. you hand out condoms, you say, go have sex. then what happens when there are no condoms? do they NOT have sex?


I am not saying don't hand em out, what I am saying is that both arguments have there merits.

Are you simply ignoring that facts? On one hand the church does charity work that help the poor but on the other hand they exacerbate the very problem they are trying to help with that other hand.

In fact, I think it might even be a conspiracy. We need more money to help the poor... don't use condoms to that there is more poor to help thereby the necessity to get more money. If every dime they collected went to helping the poor this wouldn't even seem logical but you have to consider that the church has a lot of riches to maintain...
 
teaching someone something that is 100% effective when used, is making someone "uneducated." OOOokay.:doh

Abstinence only leaves people uneducated about sex when they do decide to have it. Do you want to really try and dispute this?
 
if you think about what he says it makes sense. you hand out condoms, you say, go have sex. then what happens when there are no condoms? do they NOT have sex?



what say you>?
There's a strawman if there ever was one. No one is saying that. They're saying, we know you are going to have sex NO MATTER WHAT so in that case use a condom and it might save your life; it might also help with your poverty issue.
 
Are you simply ignoring that facts? On one hand the church does charity work that help the poor but on the other hand they exacerbate the very problem they are trying to help with that other hand.

In fact, I think it might even be a conspiracy. We need more money to help the poor... don't use condoms to that there is more poor to help thereby the necessity to get more money. If every dime they collected went to helping the poor this wouldn't even seem logical but you have to consider that the church has a lot of riches to maintain...




:roll: I don't do silly conspiracy bunk.
 
Abstinence only leaves people uneducated about sex when they do decide to have it. Do you want to really try and dispute this?

As I already noted and provided a link to detailed information contrary to the straw man you and SS try to claim, the Church has very SPECIFIC and very detailed teachings concerning sex and sexuality. It's not just "don't do it." It is quite frank and very intimately detailed. Being Catholic is sexy!;)
 
There's a strawman if there ever was one. No one is saying that. They're saying, we know you are going to have sex NO MATTER WHAT so in that case use a condom and it might save your life; it might also help with your poverty issue.




How is that a strawman? I think you need to review the definition. thanks
 
Bull****. people go without sex every day. I bet you know a whole lot about it.;)
People go without food every day too. You're logic is pretty bad. I guess what you are trying to say is that because there are people in the world who can do this or that, everyone should be able to, right? So let's go over the list of things you could be doing but aren't... let's start with being the becoming more wealthy than Bill Gates... Oh you don't want to be that wealthy? OK, how about you become smarter than Steven Hawking... No? Don't care to be that smart? OK, let's go with being as pious as Mother Teresa... didn't you complain about me using generalizations in another thread?
 
this is highly moronic, but expected from you.

This is highly moronic, but expected from you. Also lacking in any topical substance, again expected. And an unwarranted and unsolicited attack... again... not unexpected.

Now you could redeem yourself by adding why it's moronic and then you could provide proof that people who pray not to become pregnant, don't get pregnant.
 
People go without food every day too.
No one died from not having sex...:doh You're proving MY point about abstinence!

You're logic is pretty bad. I guess what you are trying to say is that because there are people in the world who can do this or that, everyone should be able to, right? So let's go over the list of things you could be doing but aren't... let's start with being the becoming more wealthy than Bill Gates... Oh you don't want to be that wealthy? OK, how about you become smarter than Steven Hawking... No? Don't care to be that smart? OK, let's go with being as pious as Mother Teresa... didn't you complain about me using generalizations in another thread?

Wealth and intelligence are not "behavior choices." Are you claiming that you COULDN'T--be as pious as Mother Theresa? Sure you could--you just aren't because you CHOOSE not to be.
 
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