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Russia rebuilding military to neutralize Nato 'Threat'

But you dont know exactly WHERE the lauch sites in Iran will be placed Goobieman, so you cant really say that.
the exact location, in this instance, makes no real difference. At BEST, Turkey is just past mid-point.

And, I notice you failed to address this point:

Consider, too, that if you -were- right, and a interceptor base in Turkey -would- be as effecive as one in Poland/Czech Republic, then said site would be effective against Russian ICBMs as well.
 
The Russians are not interested in bombing and destroying Europe, which alot of people fail to remember. They are no longer communists hell bent on spreading there ideals and making a communist Europe. Your missile defence shield does not concern them, its the fact that its in there sphere of influence, or at least the influence they wish to restablish, that concerns them. They dont want NATO influence anywhere near them, and that defence shield has everything to do with NATO. Thats what concerns them, not your interception toys and there ICBMS. Why do you think they are modernizing there army? In respone to an ever close US NATO.
 
The Russians are not interested in bombing and destroying Europe, which alot of people fail to remember.
Seems to me that he Russians are squawking about the MDS because of its effect on their deterrent.

Seems to me, I've been arguing that this is disingenuous, as the MDS HAS no effect on their deterrent, and that their REAL goal is to expand their influence as much as possible, using this as a ruse.

And now, it seems to me that you agree.

So, why do you continue to argue about the placement of the MDS (something you have little or no capacity to do) when you agree it has no real realtionship to what the Russians are really up to?
 
Russia to rearm military as NATO expands: Medvedev

This is what you get when a stupid republican decides to build a military defence shield conviently beside Russia to defuse an Iranian threat to the west that currently does not exist. Place it in Turkey or in Israel for god sakes. WHY the eastern bloc?

You post an extremely relevant issue and concern and then make a statement that comes to the completely wrong conclusion.

This has NOTHING to do with a missile defense shield; this is about Putin wanting to rebuild the Soviet Union and divert his nation’s citizens from the pathetic leadership he has provided for the last decade.

Tell me something in all candor; do you know that Nato's mission is all about?
 
The "shield" provides about as much protection as a panty liner. It doesn't freakin work. And the Russians know this. Their repeated efforts to get in our faces are merely a pathetic attempt to persuade themselves that they are still a superpower. Their thinking is 30 years out of date.

You get it in this part of your statement. :applaud

We should ignore this nonsense and avoid getting sucked backward in time -- otherwise, he next thing you know we'll be building a wooden stockade around Washington to keep the Apaches out.

But then in this part is you do not get it. The world needs to be painfully aware that Putin and Medved are attempting to drag the Russian nation back to the good old days of the Soviet Union where the leaders did not have to answer to the citizens and could live like kings over an empire built on fear and threats to their neighbors and the world.

The nations Democracies cannot afford to ignore the efforts of Putin to re-create the Soviet Union and should implement policies that promote more Democracy not less.

We ignore what happens in Russia at our own peril and the threat of a divided world where we live under the threat of a nuclear holocaust once again.

Russia is going through some serious growing pains and Putin believes that if he can make NATO and America the great threat as was done in the past, he can divert attention from his own failed policies and perhaps guarantee his permanent control over a rebuilt Soviet Empire.
 
Since Vladimir Putin is no longer head of Russia ... I would say the time is right for his liquidation.

Once his influence is gone Russia will be able to un-**** itself.
 
Some of you need to catch up on current intercept capabilities so that you wil not again make the mistake of claiming "the system doesn't work"

It bad enough to make excuses for Obama bending over for Russian threats. Its worse to do so on either ignorant or intentional false claims.
 
The defense shield is anything but pointless. In the event of a limited exchange it gives the president the option to mitigate the threat without escalating to a total nuclear apocalypse. You call that "pointless?"

What makes you think that Russia, or quite frankly anyone else will use ICBMs in this day and age?

If I was a terrorists or a ruler of a country that was on poor terms with the US, a ICBM would be the last choice for delivery. It would be far easier to smuggle in parts for a nuclear weapon, build it within the US and deliver it by truck Oklahoma city bombing style. Defense shield can't begin to stop that. Or I'd simply ship a lead lined container armed with a timed nuclear device. The ventures for weapons delivery that completely defeat a missile shield are quite endless and much, much, much cheaper and reliable then an ICBM. ICBMs require small, reliable warheads and reliable, well designed long range missiles using solid fuels. That's expensive. And take a long time to produce. A simple gun design can be built literally of parts from your local Radioshack abet without the critical mass. Congress commissioned several nuclear engineers and scientists to do this. Graham Alison details that event. Quite frightening. And we could be spending the billions we're spending on the Defense shield on actually securing the likely sources of nuclear strikes.

So yes. Virtually pointless.
 
This is what you get when a stupid republican decides to build a military defence shield conviently beside Russia to defuse an Iranian threat to the west that currently does not exist. Place it in Turkey or in Israel for god sakes. WHY the eastern bloc?

Screw 'em.

Let the blow trillions of rubbles on modernization. That entire wealth is based off of hydrocarbon and mineral wealth. If we can get off oil as a mainstay for the electrical grid, oil prices will drop and Russia will find its coffers quite barren. Then the expensive modernized Russian military will decay just as the Soviet military did. And we'll be laughing. Hard and loud at the same time we're selling them green energy products.

This kiddies is an example of poor government management. Instead of spending money on education and economic development, you go and blow it on military when you really have no existential threats and all built upon unsustainable cash flows.
 
What makes you think that Russia, or quite frankly anyone else will use ICBMs in this day and age?
That they exist and that countries are building them?
If they were truely obsoluete, then they would all be dismantled.

If I was a terrorists or a ruler of a country that was on poor terms with the US, a ICBM would be the last choice for delivery. It would be far easier to smuggle in parts for a nuclear weapon...
Threat A necessitates Defense A
Threat B necessitates Defense B
That Defense A does not affect Threat B is not an argument against Defense A.
 
Screw 'em.
Let the blow trillions of rubbles on modernization. That entire wealth is based off of hydrocarbon and mineral wealth. If we can get off oil as a mainstay for the electrical grid, oil prices will drop...
Are you talking about the US grid?
 
Russia to rearm military as NATO expands: Medvedev

This is what you get when a stupid republican decides to build a military defence shield conviently beside Russia to defuse an Iranian threat to the west that currently does not exist. Place it in Turkey or in Israel for god sakes. WHY the eastern bloc?
Don't be a tool. Russia was going to build up anyway, it's the only direction they have. Man, where the hell have you been for 20 years?
 
Since Vladimir Putin is no longer head of Russia ... I would say the time is right for his liquidation.

Once his influence is gone Russia will be able to un-**** itself.

Technically he still IS in control; but wow, I cannot prescribe to such a radical solution no matter how much I can't stand the guy.
 
Don't be a tool. Russia was going to build up anyway, it's the only direction they have. Man, where the hell have you been for 20 years?

Yes, but when used in the context of "to diffuse a NATO threat", then there will be cause for concern. Especially when taking into account the bully tactics used by the Russians to surrounding countries. To think they will be more advanced in a few years time and continue to bully surrounding countries is worrying. Especially because it is already seeking to expand its influence in the area. So what the hell has your assertion got to do with anything? :roll:
What, just because you speculate they where going to go build it up anyway, we should ignore there threat?
 
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Yes, but when used in the context of "to diffuse a NATO threat", then there will be cause for concern. Especially when taking into account the bully tactics used by the Russians to surrounding countries. To think they will be more advanced in a few years time and continue to bully surrounding countries is worrying. Especially because it is already seeking to expand its influence in the area. So what the hell has your assertion got to do with anything? :roll:
Putin was going to do it anyway, NATO has been around for decades, it's just an excuse.
 
Oh yeah, the big commie was never interested in rebuilding the military. I don't even need to show proof of that, it's obvious. You can make some sort of deal if you like.
 
Oh yeah, the big commie was never interested in rebuilding the military. I don't even need to show proof of that, it's obvious.

Hmm or you just cant find any?
 
Putin was going to do it anyway, NATO has been around for decades, it's just an excuse.

Yes ... this is true.

Putin is a scumbag and has long been out of control. Putin is the same man who sold nuclear materials to Iran.

Put is the next Stalin ... unless he gets liquidated.
 
That they exist and that countries are building them?
If they were truely obsoluete, then they would all be dismantled.

As historically pointed out and historically you have ignored to suit your poorly thought out arguments, development of a weapon system is not necessarily purely military geared. Many states' governments derive their legitimacy from such weapons' existence. North Korea for one. North Korea won't use it weapons unless its facing utter annihilation. The actual risk of an armed ICMB is rather low given their #1 desire to stay in power.

Threat A necessitates Defense A

By that logic, we should spend trillions to defend ourselves from space aliens.

Threat B necessitates Defense B
That Defense A does not affect Threat B is not an argument against Defense A.

Actually it is when it allocates money away from Defense B which defends against Threat B which is many times more likely then Threat A.

Explain to me how it is logical to spend money on a defense which does not protect us from the most likely threats at the expense of a defense which does.

Oh wait. I asked that several times. No one even tried to answer it. I don't expect anything different now.
 
Oh yeah, the big commie was never interested in rebuilding the military. I don't even need to show proof of that, it's obvious. You can make some sort of deal if you like.

Naturally, Russia has absolutely ZERO interest in becoming the dominant military force on the eurasian land mass. None. Zilch. Ain't gonna happen. they're just going to be happy watching the old family movies showing how they almost matched the baddest boys on the planent and will never never dream of climbing the pinnacle to second best yet once again. Instead, they're going to sit back, ignore a thousand years of history and trust the chinese won't invade them again. Hell, they know the French aren't going to try it again...but there are those wily Germans....oh, Russia can trust the Germans....they trusted Hitler, didn't they? That worked out well for them, got them half of Europe for a while, right?

Nossir, American. Not a chance in hell that Russia ever had any thoughts about restoring their status as second best, not a chance I assure you.

/sarcasm off.

You got any idea what's wrong with those people that want to trust to Russia's good intentions?
 
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