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Selling sex legally in New Zealand

Jerry said:
Most of the prostitutes in Nevada are street walkers, btw, so regulations for brothels don’t apply to them.
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Whats your source on that? Keep in mind call girls are not street walkers.
 
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americanwoman said:
So does anyone have a problem with two people who meet at a bar and have wild sex that night?
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Yes.

americanwoman said:
Or is it only when he hands her fifty dollars the next morning does it suddenly become taboo?
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Just keep in mind that if you're asking the government to approve it, they will want their cut of that $50.
 
Jerry said:
Just keep in mind that if you're asking the government to approve it, they will want their cut of that $50.
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So just like any other place of employment, the government takes their cut. I will keep that in mind. :doh
 
americanwoman said:
So does anyone have a problem with two people who meet at a bar and have wild sex that night? Or is it only when he hands her fifty dollars the next morning does it suddenly become taboo?
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For me there are moral issues with anyone meeting a stranger and having "wild" sex. Wild sex in this instance is in the eyes of the beholder. Might be due to the liquor. Might be from a date rape drug. Might just be what someone thinks they want. Don't know, and don't really care, but the date rape drug, or too much alcohol might be a problem for me if one party is taking advantage of another.

The money part is where I have the biggest problem. This is a lowering of standards for the country. Our standards in many instances are pretty low already without the government condoning people having sex. You want sex for free, more power to ya. You want someone to pay for it, I say no. When the government starts putting it's stamp of approval on something it can undermine the foundation of our country, which are geared towards family-life.

I don't think prostitution and rearing children meshes well in any society.
 
Jerry said:
You don't know for yourself how they are run, so you don't know what "run it like existing LEGAL brothel establishments in Nevada" means or how that contradicts your other arguments on this thread.

Yes, if you support tree cutting reform you should be able to point out specific things you want addressed; such as a commercial license, OSHA 10Hr certification, basic power-line safety certification, demolitions license (my grandfather uses that one for large stump removal), OSHA chainsaw certification, that you want independent tree cutters to have full coverage on their truck, an 'Accidental Death and Dismemberment" policy for each employee, and similar.

Most of the prostitutes in Nevada are street walkers, btw, so regulations for brothels don’t apply to them.

You would have known that if you had a clue of what you were talking about :2wave:
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Street walkers are NOT legal prostitution in Nevada, so it is YOU who doesn't know what the hell you are talking about. We are talking LEGAL here, so go put your head back into the bible and quit bothering everyone.

You asked how would legal prostitution be run. I gave you how they would be run giving CURRENT ESTABLISHMENTS.

Now you are just being obtuse with your comments.
 
winston53660 said:
Whats your source on that? Keep in mind call girls are not street walkers.
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Street walking is not legal in Nevada. Currently sex can only be legally bought or sold in a Brothel that follows regulation.
 
TheNextEra said:
Street walking is not legal in Nevada. Currently sex can only be legally bought or sold in a Brothel that follows regulation.
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Call girls are not street walkers. Escort services are illegal as well.
 
americanwoman said:
So does anyone have a problem with two people who meet at a bar and have wild sex that night? Or is it only when he hands her fifty dollars the next morning does it suddenly become taboo?
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There's something empty about one night stands and anyone who has enough of them comes to that realization. But it's not nearly as shady as debasing sex to the point that you're selling yourself.
 
TheNextEra said:
Street walkers are NOT legal prostitution in Nevada, so it is YOU who doesn't know what the hell you are talking about. We are talking LEGAL here, so go put your head back into the bible and quit bothering everyone.

You asked how would legal prostitution be run. I gave you how they would be run giving CURRENT ESTABLISHMENTS.

Now you are just being obtuse with your comments.
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He was making the point that even though it's legal in certain areas of Neveda there are more illegal prostitutes doing the same thing as the legal ones. Why would they not go legal is a good question. I'd say because for the average ho it's not profittable to go legit.
 
Marilyn Monroe said:
He was making the point that even though it's legal in certain areas of Neveda there are more illegal prostitutes doing the same thing as the legal ones. Why would they not go legal is a good question. I'd say because for the average ho it's not profittable to go legit.
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Better guess would be because there's more of a demand for it in Vegas, where it ISNT legal. I know if I had my choice of a brothel and moving to some other part of the state, or stay independent, I'd stay independent and live where I wanted. Especially if most of the business was in Vegas, which it likely is.
 
talloulou said:
There's something empty about one night stands and anyone who has enough of them comes to that realization. But it's not nearly as shady as debasing sex to the point that you're selling yourself.
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*sigh* You're not 'selling yourself' in prostitution any more than you are 'selling yourself' in any other profession. Why is that you and others seem incapable of getting that FACT through your heads? If you consider prostitution to be 'selling yourself', then it logically follows that you must consider engaging in ANY profession to be 'selling yourself'. There is no other logical consistency.
 
I would love to be a madam at a local brothel. Alot of my friend think it would be a good profession for me. Of course, my brothel would be female and male and cater to all people. I'm an equal opportunity employer. ;)
 
rivrrat said:
*sigh* You're not 'selling yourself' in prostitution any more than you are 'selling yourself' in any other profession. Why is that you and others seem incapable of getting that FACT through your heads? If you consider prostitution to be 'selling yourself', then it logically follows that you must consider engaging in ANY profession to be 'selling yourself'. There is no other logical consistency.
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*sigh* We get what you're saying. We just don't agree that it's not a selling of a body part. In our society when you use your penis or vagina, mouth, hand, to give someone sexual pleasure, you are selling that part of your body, but the terminology for it is "selling yourself". That's what it is. You are trying very hard to say it's just like any other profession and to you it may be, but to most people it's different, and it quite possibly always will be. It's true that some professions are lower than others, but prostitution and the sex trades are not only low, they are degrading, but the degrading is different. It is what it is. I can't describe it with words. Someone else would have to do that cause I'm not eloquent enough.

There are people who may use the trade they are in to tantalize people and possibly make them want to actually have sex, and they are just as bad as prostitutes in that way, I'd be talking about strip clubs and pornography.

I can remember when they started having strippers for women and it was all the craze. The women used to go nuts over it, but I honestly believe for most women it was just silly, and for many it was embarrassing. I never went because my husband didn't want me to, but I honestly didn't want to. I have a man at home that can do a dance for me if I want it and he would be more than happy to do it for me. I realize not all women are as lucky as I am, and they might want to have this happen for them, and they can go ahead and do it, but if you don't get the whole enchilada it's not that much fun in my book. Men usually pleasure themselves quite a bit from my knowledge of the species, so the ones who actually are going for the prostitutes must need the human touch and this is really kinda sad that they can't get it for free. Free, is ok to me, whether married or not, but when you put a pricetag on it, it becomes prostitution and a different ballgame.

There would have to be a de-stigmatization with this profession for it to be just like any other job. The attributes or stigma from Wiki-pedia are:
(Sociological Theory), the phenomenon whereby an individual with an attribute, which is deeply discredited by his/her society, is rejected as a result of the attribute.
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Marilyn Monroe said:
*sigh* We get what you're saying. We just don't agree that it's not a selling of a body part. In our society when you use your penis or vagina, mouth, hand, to give someone sexual pleasure, you are selling that part of your body, but the terminology for it is "selling yourself". That's what it is. You are trying very hard to say it's just like any other profession and to you it may be, but to most people it's different, and it quite possibly always will be. It's true that some professions are lower than others, but prostitution and the sex trades are not only low, they are degrading, but the degrading is different. It is what it is. I can't describe it with words. Someone else would have to do that cause I'm not eloquent enough.
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Again, you are not selling your penis or your vagina or your hand if you are a prostitute. Not any more than you are selling body parts if you use them to work in any other profession.

And prostitution is only degrading to someone if THEY think it is. What is degrading is subjective. Personally, I find waitressing to be one of the most degrading jobs I've ever performed. THAT was FAR more degrading than prostitution could ever dream of being. Regardless, if someone wants to engage in a profession that someone else happens to find degrading (like waitressing), then who has the right to tell them they can't? No one. And, just because someone feels that a profession is degrading is no reason to keep or make it illegal.

So, whether or not you or anyone else finds the profession degrading is quite irrelevant.

Men usually pleasure themselves quite a bit from my knowledge of the species, so the ones who actually are going for the prostitutes must need the human touch and this is really kinda sad that they can't get it for free. Free, is ok to me, whether married or not, but when you put a pricetag on it, it becomes prostitution and a different ballgame.
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But see, that's the thing... It's never free. For anyone. If you don't go to a pro, then you have to find someone and convince them to have sex with you. Spend money and time on them. It's never free.

It's just that some people (prostitutes and their clients) are the ones that are honest about that fact.

There would have to be a de-stigmatization with this profession for it to be just like any other job. The attributes or stigma from Wiki-pedia are:
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It already is just like any other job. Some people just like to keep their head in the sand.
 
rivrrat said:
*sigh* You're not 'selling yourself' in prostitution any more than you are 'selling yourself' in any other profession. Why is that you and others seem incapable of getting that FACT through your heads? If you consider prostitution to be 'selling yourself', then it logically follows that you must consider engaging in ANY profession to be 'selling yourself'. There is no other logical consistency.
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When you get paid so a man can use your body that's selling yourself; selling yourself short.
 
rivrrat said:
Again, you are not selling your penis or your vagina or your hand if you are a prostitute. Not any more than you are selling body parts if you use them to work in any other profession.

And prostitution is only degrading to someone if THEY think it is. What is degrading is subjective. Personally, I find waitressing to be one of the most degrading jobs I've ever performed. THAT was FAR more degrading than prostitution could ever dream of being. Regardless, if someone wants to engage in a profession that someone else happens to find degrading (like waitressing), then who has the right to tell them they can't? No one. And, just because someone feels that a profession is degrading is no reason to keep or make it illegal.

So, whether or not you or anyone else finds the profession degrading is quite irrelevant.


But see, that's the thing... It's never free. For anyone. If you don't go to a pro, then you have to find someone and convince them to have sex with you. Spend money and time on them. It's never free.

It's just that some people (prostitutes and their clients) are the ones that are honest about that fact.


It already is just like any other job. Some people just like to keep their head in the sand.
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Yeah waitresses are exactly the same as whores:roll: It remains as unconvincing today as it was when you first claimed it.

As far as comparing all women to whores and proclaiming that a hooker ain't selling her body let's break it down:

Man walks into the brothel and converses with a whore. For this much money what can I have? Whore says well you can't use my vagina, you can't use my ass, nor my mouth, and I ain't using my hands.

How much is she gonna get paid???

NOT A FREAKING PENNY. WHY? CAUSE UNLESS SHE AGREES TO SELL HERSELF HE AIN'T BUYING.

As far as comparing my relationship and all relationships to the man and the whore it just doesn't fly. I can tell my man, "I don't want to have sex today," without him leaving. Nothing he gives me is contingent on my need to have sex with him on demand. A man's relationship with a whore is completely 100% contingent on her letting him use her body for money on demand.

Anything else is just :spin:.
 
talloulou said:
When you get paid so a man can use your body that's selling yourself; selling yourself short.
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Use my body? You mean like someone uses my body to fetch them food? Or uses my body to paddles their asses down a river? Or uses my body to dig ditches for them? Or uses my body to clean sewers? Or uses my body to enter data into a computer? Or uses my body to massage theirs? Or uses my body to rub callouses off their feet? Or uses my body to harvest their food for them?

Everyone's body is used.
 
rivrrat said:
Use my body? You mean like someone uses my body to fetch them food? Or uses my body to paddles their asses down a river? Or uses my body to dig ditches for them? Or uses my body to clean sewers? Or uses my body to enter data into a computer? Or uses my body to massage theirs? Or uses my body to rub callouses off their feet? Or uses my body to harvest their food for them?

Everyone's body is used.
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No I mean use your body like:

Vagina cost such and such

Mouth cost such and such

Ass cost such and such......
 
talloulou said:
No I mean use your body like:

Vagina cost such and such

Mouth cost such and such

Ass cost such and such......
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What is so special about those parts over say a master craftman's hands?
 
winston53660 said:
What is so special about those parts over say a master craftman's hands?
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Clearly there's something special about them. If a man is paying a prostitute he wants her mouth on his dick, not talking. He wants to use her vagina or ass, not hold her hand.
 
talloulou said:
Yeah waitresses are exactly the same as whores:roll: It remains as unconvincing today as it was when you first claimed it.

As far as comparing all women to whores and proclaiming that a hooker ain't selling her body let's break it down:

Man walks into the brothel and converses with a whore. For this much money what can I have? Whore says well you can't use my vagina, you can't use my ass, nor my mouth, and I ain't using my hands.

How much is gonna get paid???

NOT A FREAKING PENNY. WHY? CAUSE UNLESS SHE AGREES TO SELL HERSELF HE AIN'T BUYING.
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Well, let's break it down like this:

Man is interviewing serving wenches and asks how much work will they do for x amount of money. Wench says well you can't use my hands, you can't use my legs, nor my mouth. I wouldn't walk across the room for that amount of money.

How much is gonna get paid???

NOT A FREAKING PENNY. WHY? CAUSE UNLESS SHE AGREES TO SELL HERSELF HE AIN'T BUYING.

As far as comparing my relationship and all relationships to the man and the whore it just doesn't fly. I can tell my man, "I don't want to have sex today," without him leaving. Nothing he gives me is contingent on my need to have sex with him on demand.
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Nothing? Nothing at all? You mean, he could completely ignore you, not speak to you, not interact with you on any level and you'd still have sex with him whenever he wanted? Could he beat you and you'd still have sex with him? Or is having sex with him contingent upon his actions and relationship with you?

A man's relationship with a whore is completely 100% contingent on her letting him use her body for money on demand.
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A man's relationship with a serving wench is completely 100% contingent on her letting him use her body for money on demand.

Anything else is just :spin:.
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My point exactly.
 
talloulou said:
No I mean use your body like:

Vagina cost such and such

Mouth cost such and such

Ass cost such and such......
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Or my hands costs such and such to massage you with
My mouth costs such and such to answer telephones for you
my legs costs such and such to walk back and forth
My entire body costs such and such to use it to perform labor for you


So, where's the difference?
 
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