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Selling sex legally in New Zealand

talloulou said:
Because the practice of prostitution has historically been bad not only for women, but for children as well. People are not commodities.
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Prostitution has been bad for kids? I wasn't aware anyone was for prostituting kids.

What it appears is that YOU don't like it. Well ****, I guess that means we should make everything illegal that YOU don't like correct?

Prostitution has been legal in parts of Nevada for quite a while. The woman make good money.

If people want to sell their bodies for sex, let them.
 
talloulou said:
Maybe you feel this way because you debased sex in your life so much so that at one point it was an actual job.
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Yeah... That's why my vagina isn't the epicenter of intimacy for me. Totally. :roll: Couldn't be at ALL because intimacy is so very much more than sticking a dick in a vagina and pumping it in and out.

But hey, whatever floats your boat, hon. If that is the be all, end all intimacy for YOU, so be it. I tend to be a little deeper than that, personally. I'm sorry if you really are that shallow, but if it works for you, it works for you. I'm certainly not going to sit and judge, and feel superior. I'll leave that to you. :mrgreen:
 
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kaya'08 said:
Holy ****. :shock:
Whats your number?

Just kidding! :mrgreen:

I prefer sex the way it was intended to be. I dont do bondage. That includes pissing in mouths and eating sh*it. :shock:
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It was intended to be rough and dirty. ;)

But pissing and ****ting? No. Bondage most certainly does NOT include any such thing. Bondage is just bondage. Scat and urine are entirely different animals.
 
talloulou said:
Then you're simply wildly uninformed on the issue.
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Show me a person on this board that is oking sex for children? And in Nevada there are laws preventing that with LEGAL prostitution. LEGAL prostitution does not include children.
 
rivrrat said:
Yeah... That's why my vagina isn't the epicenter of intimacy for me. Totally. :roll: Couldn't be at ALL because intimacy is so very much more than sticking a dick in a vagina and pumping it in and out.

But hey, whatever floats your boat, hon. If that is the be all, end all intimacy for YOU, so be it. I tend to be a little deeper than that, personally.
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So your argument is that there's no intimacy in sex? Or is your argument that there are tons of intimate things and thus it's ok to debase and/or fake them for money?
 
talloulou said:
So your argument is that there's no intimacy in sex? Or is your argument that there are tons of intimate things and thus it's ok to debase and/or fake them for money?
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I think she is trying to say the intimacy comes from the feelings she shares with her partner not the physical act.
 
TheNextEra said:
Show me a person on this board that is oking sex for children? And in Nevada there are laws preventing that with LEGAL prostitution. LEGAL prostitution does not include children.
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That's akin to saying buying cheap crap from overseas sweatshops with tons of human rights violations has nothing to do with the legality of shopping at Walmart.
 
talloulou said:
So your argument is that there's no intimacy in sex? Or is your argument that there are tons of intimate things and thus it's ok to debase and/or fake them for money?
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That question is loaded, you might have well asked "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

The act of sex CAN be an act of intmacy between two people that care for each other, however if two people do not and just want it to be a "booty" call then no it isn't intimate and it is just sex.
 
talloulou said:
That's akin to saying buying cheap crap from overseas sweatshops with tons of human rights violations has nothing to do with the legality of shopping at Walmart.
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You're making no sense.

The simple fact is if people break the law and hire children, they should be prosecuted. We have many people drinking alcohol that are underage, so should we make alcohol illegal?

So you bringing up that children COULD be illegally hired bares no relevance to the legality of prostitution. If people break the law, they should be prosecuted.
 
talloulou said:
So your argument is that there's no intimacy in sex?
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My statement of fact is that there doesn't HAVE to be any intimacy in sex. Sex is ****ing fantastic without it. Sex is just sex.



Or is your argument that there are tons of intimate things and thus it's ok to debase and/or fake them for money?
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It's okay to do anything for money between two consenting adults. Just because some people think their vagina is sacred or intimate doesn't mean the rest of the world should abide by the rules they've set for themselves.

MY argument is "to each their own". If you want to make your vagina the center of the intimacy in your relationship, I'm not going to stop you. But, some of us consider intimacy to be much deeper than the rubbing of body parts, and we shouldn't be criminalized just because YOU feel differently. Keep your vagina sacred. Keep your intimacy in the bedroom if you want. But stay out of mine. If I want to sell a service you think shouldn't be sold, WTF does it matter to you? And why should it be illegal just because YOU think it's "too intimate"? What is intimate for one, is not necessarily intimate for another. Intimacy is a very personal thing. You can't legislate it.

Hell, IMO, a relationship with a therapist is more intimate than sex. Talk about something that shouldn't be sold.
 
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rivrrat said:
It was intended to be rough and dirty. ;)

But pissing and ****ting? No. Bondage most certainly does NOT include any such thing. Bondage is just bondage. Scat and urine are entirely different animals.
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Im no expert in that field, thanks. I suppose the urine and excrement is a chinese thing :roll:
 
rivrrat said:
My statement of fact is that there doesn't HAVE to be any intimacy in sex. Sex is ****ing fantastic without it. Sex is just sex.




It's okay to do anything for money between two consenting adults. Just because some people think their vagina is sacred or intimate doesn't mean the rest of the world should abide by the rules they've set for themselves.

MY argument is "to each their own". If you want to make your vagina the center of the intimacy in your relationship, I'm not going to stop you. But, some of us consider intimacy to be much deeper than the rubbing of body parts, and we shouldn't be criminalized just because YOU feel differently. Keep your vagina sacred. Keep your intimacy in the bedroom if you want. But stay out of mine. If I want to sell a service you think shouldn't be sold, WTF does it matter to you? And why should it be illegal just because YOU think it's "too intimate"? What is intimate for one, is not necessarily intimate for another. Intimacy is a very personal thing. You can't legislate it.

Hell, IMO, a relationship with a therapist is more intimate than sex. Talk about something that shouldn't be sold.
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So you don't currently reserve your sexual relations for your boyfriend?
 
talloulou said:
So you don't currently reserve your sexual relations for your boyfriend?
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Whenever we find a some willing hot chicks to join us, I will be having sexual relations with them too.

I do not, however, have sex with anyone he doesn't approve of. Out of respect for his feelings. But he doesn't have a problem with me having sex with women. :mrgreen: There are many things I don't do out of respect for his feelings, that's what a relationship is: A series of compromises.
 
rivrrat said:
Whenever we find a some willing hot chicks to join us, I will be having sexual relations with them too.

I do not, however, have sex with anyone he doesn't approve of. Out of respect for his feelings. But he doesn't have a problem with me having sex with women. :mrgreen: There are many things I don't do out of respect for his feelings, that's what a relationship is: A series of compromises.
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One of the most important things about my girlfriend is that we are best friends.

We also get along sexually.;)
 
rivrrat said:
Whenever we find a some willing hot chicks to join us, I will be having sexual relations with them too.

I do not, however, have sex with anyone he doesn't approve of. Out of respect for his feelings. But he doesn't have a problem with me having sex with women. :mrgreen: There are many things I don't do out of respect for his feelings, that's what a relationship is: A series of compromises.
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If your sexuality wasn't an intimate part of your relationship then there would be no conditions surrounding it. Do you have rules about who you can make a sandwich for? Which gyno you can see? Whether you can schedule a massage?
 
talloulou said:
I don't know about sacred but it is an intimate exchange between two persons which shouldn't be debased for a dollar.
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Why do you feel the need to force your personal opinion of intimacy onto others? Why should I or anybody else be beholden to your morality? If I wanted to go to my neighbor's house right now and give her fifty dollars for sex, what business is it of your's? Who are you to stop me, or her for that matter? She wants money, I want sex, we transact, end of story. You do not possess the authority or moral impetus to forcibly deny two adults the opportunity to engage in a mutually consenting transaction. Go home and mind your business.
 
Ethereal said:
Why do you feel the need to force your personal opinion of intimacy onto others? Why should I or anybody else be beholden to your morality? If I wanted to go to my neighbor's house right now and give her fifty dollars for sex, what business is it of your's? Who are you to stop me, or her for that matter? She wants money, I want sex, we transact, end of story. You do not possess the authority or moral impetus to forcibly deny two adults the opportunity to engage in a mutually consenting transaction. Go home and mind your business.
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Riv stated sex wasn't intimate. That was part of her argument in this here debate. Clearly -though she says that, it is intimate. There are rules, agreements, it's reserved, etc. When she said she didn't think sex was intimate, I didn't believe her. And I was right not to, as it turns out.

As far as the rest of it the government does possess the authority to outlaw prostitution. Many laws are based on morality/ethics.

As far as the go home and mind your business- this is a debate board. If you don't desire to debate a topic then don't.
 
talloulou said:
If your sexuality wasn't an intimate part of your relationship then there would be no conditions surrounding it. Do you have rules about who you can make a sandwich for? Which gyno you can see? Whether you can schedule a massage?
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I don't think anyone implied that sexuality isn't an intimate part of a relationship. There's a world of difference between making love to someone and ****ing someone. The sex itself isn't inherently sacred or intimate. It's the relationship that I have with my wife that enhances the sex when I'm with her. However, sex all by itself doesn't have some sort of weird inherent importance.
 
dclxvinoise said:
I don't think anyone implied that sexuality isn't an intimate part of a relationship. There's a world of difference between making love to someone and ****ing someone. The sex itself isn't inherently sacred or intimate. It's the relationship that I have with my wife that enhances the sex when I'm with her. However, sex all by itself doesn't have some sort of weird inherent importance.
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Explain the importance behind going to a stranger and paying for sex in an environment where you don't even know if the sex worker is in the position voluntarily or not.

What is the significance in being able to screw a woman for money?
 
talloulou said:
Explain the importance behind going to a stranger and paying for sex in an environment where you don't even know if the sex worker is in the position voluntarily or not.
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I personally wouldn't pay for sex. I think that when a person pays for sex they are desperate to have sex with someone who is younger and more attractive or they just have difficulty picking people up. However, while I may not agree with paying for sex personally I have no qualms about others doing it. As for your question, what would lead me to believe that they aren't there voluntarily? If it is a business like the Bunny Ranch in Nevada, what possible reason would I have to believe that those women aren't there voluntarily? This is the USA, not some third world country. Is your opinion of prostitution so low that you refuse to believe that any woman would choose that career voluntarily? I have a friend who used to be a prostitute and was there voluntarily and had absolutely no problems with it. She quit doing it because she got married and got into a different line of work where she didn't need the extra money.

What is the significance in being able to screw a woman for money?
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You'd have to ask someone who would pay for sex.
 
talloulou said:
What is the significance in being able to screw a woman for money?
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I would say there are many reasons. Want to try something their partner won't, doesn't want to deal with trying to get it the old fashioned way, or just maybe even the thrill of paying for it. I'm sure there is nothing too significant behind the reasons other than they want to get some and that's how they want it.
 
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