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Selling sex legally in New Zealand

There's no dignity and honor in prostitution which is why even when it is made legal it maintains its stigma. It's almost always closely associated with criminal activity, legal or not. It does nothing to curb human trafficking for sex slaves and in many cases increases human trafficking as it increases demand at a higher rate than it can provide voluntary sex workers.

How is there any less dignity or honor in prostitution than any other profession that you sell a service?
 
Yes, yes... in Jerryland, of course. Where Jerry thinks he knows the mind of all the people in a profession. :roll:


Does your boss own YOUR body? Do your customers own your body? Why make such blatantly erroneous statements?

My person is not for sale. No woman should be for sale. Not even for a short period of time and a boatload of money. Lying down with a man for a dollar is like going to church for the wine.
 
How is there any less dignity or honor in prostitution than any other profession that you sell a service?

Where to begin....greatly increased occurrence of being raped, abused, murdered, suicidal, developing psychological problems such as PTSD, becoming addicted to drugs to cope with your lifestyle, contracting a collection of STD, being sexually objectified....the list goes on and on...finally to enable mass human sex-slave trafficking. History proves this time and again.
 
My person is not for sale.
Indeed! And why do you presume that my person was for sale when I was a prostitute? It was no more for sale then, than it was working for the government.

No woman should be for sale. Not even for a short period of time and a boatload of money.
I agree! Fortunately though, that's not what prostitution is.

Lying down with a man for a dollar is like going to church for the wine.
I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.
 
Where to begin....greatly increased occurrence of being raped, abused, murdered, suicidal, developing psychological problems such as PTSD, becoming addicted to drugs to cope with your lifestyle, contracting a collection of STD, being sexually objectified....the list goes on and on...finally to enable mass human sex-slave trafficking. History proves this time and again.

Forget all that.

The difference is in other jobs you're not a whore.
 
You should be having sex because you want to, not because you're paid to.

I do. And I did both. I also paddled rivers because I wanted to, AND because I was paid to. I worked on computers because I wanted to, AND because I got paid to. One was a job, one was free, personal time.

But I fully agree that no one should work ANY job they don't want to work.
 
Why wouldn't there be countersuits? There are in any other profession as well. Prostitution is no different. Services rendered are services rendered. And while you may not have purchased sexual services, I'd be willing to be the bank that you've purchased a crapload of other services. You know how it works, you know how the company policies work for refunds and dissatisfied customers, you know how the civil suits work for non-payment and for suing for unfinished or shabby work. There's no reason to presume it would be different in one profession than it is in another.

I'm impervious to the notion of it becoming legal, or remaining illegal. I enjoy the prowl, or the chase, it's what I find to be exciting, so slapping down some cash would take away the thrill.

You make a very good argument, unfortunately the argument supports why it shouldn't be legalized.

Take each point you make, and apply it to an already overburdened court/judicial system.

Every act or service could be contested over quality. What a mess.
 
There's no dignity and honor in prostitution which is why even when it is made legal it maintains its stigma. It's almost always closely associated with criminal activity, legal or not. It does nothing to curb human trafficking for sex slaves and in many cases increases human trafficking as it increases demand at a higher rate than it can provide voluntary sex workers.

There is no dignity and honor is asking "would you like fries with that?" at McDonalds. There are plenty of jobs that lack dignity and honor. People do these jobs because they get PAID for it.
 
Where to begin....greatly increased occurrence of being raped, abused, murdered, suicidal, developing psychological problems such as PTSD, becoming addicted to drugs to cope with your lifestyle, contracting a collection of STD, being sexually objectified....the list goes on and on..
LMFAO

I love your world, Jerry. Where you just pull **** out of your ass and pretend it's fact. :mrgreen:


finally to enable mass human sex-slave trafficking. History proves this time and again.
How so?
 
Where to begin....greatly increased occurrence of being raped, abused, murdered, suicidal, developing psychological problems such as PTSD, becoming addicted to drugs to cope with your lifestyle, contracting a collection of STD, being sexually objectified....the list goes on and on...finally to enable mass human sex-slave trafficking. History proves this time and again.

These are separate issues. There are plenty of prostitutes that do not fall into these things.

Has history proven this at the Bunny Ranch in Nevada?
 
I'm impervious to the notion of it becoming legal, or remaining illegal. I enjoy the prowl, or the chase, it's what I find to be exciting, so slapping down some cash would take away the thrill.

You make a very good argument, unfortunately the argument supports why it shouldn't be legalized.

Take each point you make, and apply it to an already overburdened court/judicial system.

Every act or service could be contested over quality. What a mess.

So, we shouldn't allow the emergence of any more professions because it might tax our court system?:confused:
 
Forget all that.

The difference is in other jobs you're not a whore.

No ****! And in all other jobs but sewer work, you're not a sewer worker!
And in all other jobs but waitressing, you're not a waitress!


Seriously... was there a point to stating the obvious? ;)
 
So, we shouldn't allow the emergence of any more professions because it might tax our court system?:confused:

I'd say having prostitution illegal certainly is a burden on our court system.
 
There is no dignity and honor is asking "would you like fries with that?" at McDonalds. There are plenty of jobs that lack dignity and honor. People do these jobs because they get PAID for it.

I'd rather my daughter work at McDonalds then be a whore. There's a big difference between flipping burgers cause you need money and taking off your clothes and allowing some strange guy to **** you.

Also there's no imperative to reserve your burger flipping for special meaningful people the way there's a moral imperative to not just be running around ****ing everything.
 
I'd rather my daughter work at McDonalds then be a whore. There's a big difference between flipping burgers cause you need money and taking off your clothes and allowing some strange guy to **** you.

Also there's no imperative to reserve your burger flipping for special meaningful people the way there's a moral imperative to not just be running around ****ing everything.

Not every prostitute is a street walker many have a regular clientele.
 
I'd rather my daughter work at McDonalds then be a whore. There's a big difference between flipping burgers cause you need money and taking off your clothes and allowing some strange guy to **** you.

Also there's no imperative to reserve your burger flipping for special meaningful people the way there's a moral imperative to not just be running around ****ing everything.

Morals are probably the most subjective thing out there. If you do not feel your morals allow you to be a prostitute, then do not be one. That is a choice you made, let everyone else make that choice for themselves also. Some people find flipping burgers to be against their morals.

The point here is that people make choices like this that affect their own lives. No one person's morals are a standard for everyone else to follow.
 
I'd rather my daughter work at McDonalds then be a whore. There's a big difference between flipping burgers cause you need money and taking off your clothes and allowing some strange guy to **** you.
What is the difference? Both are services?

What's the difference between running your hands all over someone's body, kneading, pushing the muscles, relaxing them entirely, pleasing them in many ways, (a masseuse) and a person who kneels before you and rubs your feet, cleans your toenails, files them, paints them, files the callouses off your feet (pedicurist), and a person who has sex as a service? What's the difference between flipping burgers for **** pay, for ungrateful people, in **** working conditions, being forced to allow people to degrade you publicly, and treat you like crap while you take it with a smile on your face and someone who has sex?

I'll tell you what the difference is.... the name of the profession. All professions sell a service. Some people would never work certain professions, because it's just not in their nature to work them. That doesn't mean that the people who DO work them are ****ed up for doing so.

Also there's no imperative to reserve your burger flipping for special meaningful people the way there's a moral imperative to not just be running around ****ing everything.
There's no imperative to save my vagina for something meaningful either.
 
I'd rather my daughter work at McDonalds then be a whore. There's a big difference between flipping burgers cause you need money and taking off your clothes and allowing some strange guy to **** you.

Also there's no imperative to reserve your burger flipping for special meaningful people the way there's a moral imperative to not just be running around ****ing everything.

You didn't post about what you'd rather your daughter be doing or about moral imperatives. You said prostitution lacked honor and dignity. I pointed out that many other jobs lack honor and dignity.

And you're right that there is a difference between flipping burgers and screwing for cash - prostitutes get paid a lot better.

As to moral imperatives, its irrelevant as far as the question of legality goes. The purpose of our laws is not to enforce morality, but preserve liberty. I don't think you're really advocating creating an American theocracy, are you?

As to what you want your off spring to do, that again has no bearing on the question of legality. There are plenty of jobs I wouldn't want my children or close family members doing, but that doesn't mean I support legally banning them.
 
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