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Selling sex legally in New Zealand

winston53660 said:
I've already shown her how legality does not matter in the human sex trade. She does not care about the reality at hand. As long as "morality" is enforced via the state everything is fine and dandy in her opinion.
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This sort of morality is a necessity for the state to enforce. We have children running around in this country, and prostitution isn't family-oriented, it just isn't. It's not nice for Daddy to be getting serviced by a stranger when he's got Mommy at home, and she's more than willing. Daddy needs to learn self-control.:) What do you think prostitution will do to the family if it was legal everywhere? Men are very sexual beings. The guys I've known have been. Women have desires, but it's more subdued and probably is because if it weren't we'd have an even worse out of control population than we already have.

This argument has always been around to some degree I'm sure since the beginnings of time, but women have to eventually be the smarter ones, and in today's world I'm not so sure they really are. Too much sex everywhere like this is all there is to life. Gimme a break.
 
rivrrat said:
Legalizing it means the people participating are no longer criminals. They're able to seek help when they need it. THey're able to claim the income and pay their taxes. I don't give a hoot how much money they're able to make, that isn't the issue. The issue is freedom and safety.


That's not the case in brothels in Nevada. And I certainly wasn't working for an "elite service" when I started. I checked out the elite services, and I assure you... I didn't fit in. I didn't have the ****ing money to work for an elite service that required expensive wardrobes.

The reason I bring up my experience is precisely because it flies in the face of the misconceptions that you and others share about the business. You guys read some articles online and think you know everything there is to know. You read articles that are AIMED at misinforming you. They focus only on the lowest common denominator and ignore the majority of the people in the industry. THAT is why I bring up my experience.

I do not bring up my experience because I think prostitution should be legal so more women can make a bunch of money. The amount of money they'd make is irrelevant. What is relevant is freedom, liberty, safety for both the prostitutes and the clients, and destigmatizing the industry as a whole. I don't give a **** if they end up making minimum wage. That isn't the issue.
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I see some of your points, but we're too family-oriented of a society to buy into it. We've lived without the legalization so far, and it's still around, but nobody cares about these people that much. They're not a sympathetic bunch for most American's. When the blacks got discriminated upon, and were literally getting hosed down, now that was criminal, but prostitutes aren't seen as people, they are more like machines. This is how it is, they made their bed, so to speak.

Now Amsterdam and those places have always been very liberal, and most people probably go there for the curiosity, but nobody comes back and says, "man, I'd like to live there". If it were that great people would be flocking there.
 
TheNextEra said:
Doesn't mean they are right though.
Regardless of the service, they are using the age ol method of "Sex Sells". You don't seem to have a problem with a pretty waitress flirting with patrons to get money, why do you have a problem with one that gives them what the want?
Only because of the taboo people in society puts on it.
you may not have heard it, but ask many porn stars and strippers that are successful at it ask if they regret it and most say NO.
Iit's only low class to people such as yourself. Others view it as a profession.
So now we come to the real reason you hate these people. Jealousy, they can more than you on a 9 to 5 and you hate that.
Again, only to jealous types such as yourself.
It's how most in the buisness do it. They are getting PAID to do a job, just like anyone else would. You are just jealous they are getting paid more than you would.
Again, that is your personal opinion. When you go into a restaurant you order food and drink that you want. It is no different in a brothel, you order the sex you want.
The difference is you look down on a service you feel is immoral. Well guess what? Your immoral opinions don't matter to everyone.
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Ok, but you didn't really address any of the issues of the conversation, you're just trying to sling mud at me, personally. I am millions of people, and there are more of us than there are of you.

I do admit I look down on it and it's for the reasons I stated. I look down on the profession, not necessarily the people who do it. I'd give them as much of a break as I do anybody.
 
Marilyn Monroe said:
I would be sick with grief if my kid did this or pornography for a living. I had a relative who did some porno and when you even mention it it gets a really creepy feeling amongst all of us who knew this person. It's embarrassing to know he did this. It's embarrassing, but it's almost like a slap in the face to all of us in the family. It just hurts a whole lotta people when you do this for a living. It hurts everybody who knows and loves you. Pretty sickening to do this to yourself, but also to others. I've watched shows where people in the porn industry try to date regular people, and as soon as anybody finds out this is what you do, it's, "oh, well, nice knowing ya. Toodles!" Sooooo if there's really nothing wrong with it then why does everybody react to it in this manner? Some might say it's because we're pre-conditioned to feel this way, but I think it just goes back to the beginnings of time, so it's gonna be hard to erace that from the heritage pool. It's like, "What did Grandma do for a living? She was a prostitute. Oh, that's interesting. See ya!"
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And those are your opinions, which are no more valid than my own. I personally don't have as much of a stigma about that sort of thing as you do so it honestly wouldn't bother me as much. Then again, I have friends right now who were former prostitutes and are in the porn industry who I have great respect for. It seems silly to just write them off simply because they are in a profession that I may or may not agree with. We really are a nation of prudes and it seems to be getting worse in some ways rather than better.
 
TheNextEra said:
It's disgusting to you, however, I have known someone that did porn and is absoultely proud of what she has done.
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She sounds nutty.

She has made more money in a year than some do in 50. She has since quit and is raising her children along with a loving husband.
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Why did she quit if it's so lucrative? Let the hubby rear the kids. Her husband can't have all his screws. I highly doubt he does.

The fact you and others find it a 'bad choice" is funny. Tell me do you bitch about a lawyer defending KNOWN criminals for money? Do you bitch about ambulance chasers? I doubt it.
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There are ethical problems with many lawyers I have no doubt.

The fact America has a taboo against sex is funny when it embraces violent video games and hockey fights. Violence is ok but sex isn't go figure.
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Sex is sex. Violence is violence. Some might figure it's easier to realize violence is pretend. We've all seen Wile E. Coyote and the Roadrunner. We know it's fake and so do most kids. There's definitely something completely different about sex. Sex isn't just about sex. There's a sacredness to it, and I don't mean in the religious sense. It's a very complex function of humankind. We are the only animals that can also love our sex partners and have children with them. Mostly animals mate. It's a whole different ballgame.
 
talloulou said:
I don't think you do because the fabulous call gal lifestyle which you love to brag about- where half decent women make oodles of money with each transaction- is essentially over when prostitution becomes legal.
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It's minimum wage all the way! No more high prices for most of them. They'll be too much competition.
 
Marilyn Monroe said:
She sounds nutty.
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Nutty? Why? Because she's proud of what she has done? It was a personal choice and I think it's extremely arrogant of you to call someone nuts just because they are happy with what they are doing.

Sex is sex. Violence is violence. Some might figure it's easier to realize violence is pretend. We've all seen Wile E. Coyote and the Roadrunner. We know it's fake and so do most kids. There's definitely something completely different about sex. Sex isn't just about sex. There's a sacredness to it, and I don't mean in the religious sense. It's a very complex function of humankind. We are the only animals that can also love our sex partners and have children with them. Mostly animals mate. It's a whole different ballgame.
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So you have had a sacred connection with every person you've had sex with? Come on! It's just sex. Obviously sex is far more sacred and important when it is with someone you care about or love. I will never understand the nonsensical importance that people like you automatically place on sex like it's this big important thing. It's a way for people to procreate or to make each other feel good. That's it.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Nutty? Why? Because she's proud of what she has done? It was a personal choice and I think it's extremely arrogant of you to call someone nuts just because they are happy with what they are doing.

So you have had a sacred connection with every person you've had sex with? Come on! It's just sex. Obviously sex is far more sacred and important when it is with someone you care about or love. I will never understand the nonsensical importance that people like you automatically place on sex like it's this big important thing. It's a way for people to procreate or to make each other feel good. That's it.
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I doubt she's really proud of it. I can't see where it's something to be proud of. Most jobs are just jobs. There's no huge pride in doing them.

Seems logical that some things should be sacred to humans, that's why we can think, and feel, and care about each other. Take that away, and what do you have? Nothing. Empty shells.
 
Marilyn Monroe said:
I doubt she's really proud of it. I can't see where it's something to be proud of. Most jobs are just jobs. There's no huge pride in doing them.
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Yay, more arrogance! Who are you to presume whether someone is genuinely happy with their career choice? I have a friend in the industry and she's happy with her choices too. People are individuals and they each have different views. Not everyone has the same negative stigma about porno and prostitutes as you do.

Seems logical that some things should be sacred to humans, that's why we can think, and feel, and care about each other. Take that away, and what do you have? Nothing. Empty shells.
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Sex isn't inherently sacred. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but it isn't. It can be sacred depending on the context, absolutely. When you are with someone that you love and care about it's obviously more sacred than an average fling that you have with someone that you barely know. I honestly don't know where you get the notion that it's always inherently sacred. Perhaps to you it sex is always sacred, but you don't speak for everyone.
 
Marilyn Monroe said:
She sounds nutty.
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So to most conservatives to me. What's your point? That it is just your opinion? We got it.

Marilyn Monroe said:
Why did she quit if it's so lucrative? Let the hubby rear the kids. Her husband can't have all his screws. I highly doubt he does.
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Money isn't everything to her and since she married, she just wants to be with her husband. Again, what's wrong with that?

Marilyn Monroe said:
There are ethical problems with many lawyers I have no doubt.
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Yet, we don't see conservatives bitch about that. Maybe because those lawyers get conservatives off the hook eh?

Marilyn Monroe said:
Sex isn't just about sex. There's a sacredness to it, and I don't mean in the religious sense.
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Again, this is YOUR opinion on sex. To others it is just sex, especially when it is for money. Just because YOU put a sacredness to it, doesn't mean everyone else does.

Sacredness is quite subjective.
 
Marilyn Monroe said:
I doubt she's really proud of it. I can't see where it's something to be proud of.
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Of course you can't see it, because you don't want to see it. Your against it so you can't see anyone else being proud of it. Sorry but your opinion is not everything.

Marilyn Monroe said:
Seems logical that some things should be sacred to humans, that's why we can think, and feel, and care about each other. Take that away, and what do you have? Nothing. Empty shells.
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Again, you put a sacredness to sex. Good for you, not everyone else does.
 
Sex is sacred? Why didn't anyone tell me this? I could have been bowing at the altar of dicks and putang for some time now.

But seriously... no, it's not sacred. In fact, I can't really think of anything that IS 'sacred'. Guess you have to be religious or something to get the whole 'sacred' thing.
 
I don't know about sacred but it is an intimate exchange between two persons which shouldn't be debased for a dollar.
 
talloulou said:
I don't know about sacred but it is an intimate exchange between two persons which shouldn't be debased for a dollar.
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What about a quarter?

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:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
 
talloulou said:
If you feel as intimate getting a massage and gyno exam as you do having sex then I feel sorry for you.
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I feel more intimacy with my boyfriend while cuddling on the couch with him watching a movie than I do when he's ****ing me doggie style and I'm tied up to the bed.

If sex = intimacy for you then I feel sorry for you. Sex is just sex. Intimacy is something different altogether.

But if one is going to equate sex to intimacy, then I'd certainly have to say that my gyno sticking his hand up my vagina is pretty goddamn intimate. After all, that's all sex is. Sticking something up a vagina.

But, IMO, intimacy is something much more than sticking something up my vagina. I truly feel sad for those that think their vagina is the epicenter of intimacy.
 
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I feel more intimacy with my boyfriend while cuddling on the couch with him watching a movie than I do when he's ****ing me doggie style and I'm tied up to the bed.
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You get tied up to the bed o_O
Wait, wait, dont tell me. You make him wear a Nazi uniform and wrap you in bubblewrap too. :D
This is the best topic so far!

PS: If your having sex with someone you love, then yes, that is definetly intimate. But i have to admit; i dont see whats so sacred about jamming your **** up a girls punani.
 
kaya'08 said:
You get tied up to the bed o_O
Wait, wait, dont tell me. You make him wear a Nazi uniform and wrap you in bubblewrap too. :D
This is the best topic so far!
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LOL No uniforms. Though sometimes I wear stiletto heels with locking ankle cuffs for him... Right before he ties me to the door or the bed and treats me like the bad girl I am. ;)
 
talloulou said:
I don't know about sacred but it is an intimate exchange between two persons which shouldn't be debased for a dollar.
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Then don't do it. However, if two consenting adults want to make that exchange why shouldn't they be allowed to?

I mean looking at some celebrity marriages, there is no difference between them and prostitutes anyway.
 
rivrrat said:
I feel more intimacy with my boyfriend while cuddling on the couch with him watching a movie than I do when he's ****ing me doggie style and I'm tied up to the bed.

If sex = intimacy for you then I feel sorry for you. Sex is just sex. Intimacy is something different altogether.

But if one is going to equate sex to intimacy, then I'd certainly have to say that my gyno sticking his hand up my vagina is pretty goddamn intimate. After all, that's all sex is. Sticking something up a vagina.

But, IMO, intimacy is something much more than sticking something up my vagina. I truly feel sad for those that think their vagina is the epicenter of intimacy.
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Maybe you feel this way because you debased sex in your life so much so that at one point it was an actual job.
 
TheNextEra said:
Then don't do it. However, if two consenting adults want to make that exchange why shouldn't they be allowed to?

I mean looking at some celebrity marriages, there is no difference between them and prostitutes anyway.
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Because the practice of prostitution has historically been bad not only for women, but for children as well. People are not commodities.
 
rivrrat said:
LOL No uniforms. Though sometimes I wear stiletto heels with locking ankle cuffs for him... Right before he ties me to the door or the bed and treats me like the bad girl I am. ;)
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Holy ****. :shock:
Whats your number?

Just kidding! :mrgreen:

I prefer sex the way it was intended to be. I dont do bondage. That includes pissing in mouths and eating sh*it. :shock:

:rofl keep posting you dirty buggers!!
 
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