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Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

winston53660 said:
Domestically grown marijuana is Kentucky’s number one cash crop"
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So under the proposal of many of the reformers here... we'll simply legalize marijuana production and turn it over to the current 'farmers.' Such as all those nice 'farmers' in Kentucky currently cultivating it...

Local independent producers also distribute Mexico-produced marijuana, often using it as filler for their product. Mexican criminal groups--the primary transporters of Mexico-produced marijuana into Kentucky--usually sell wholesale quantities to local independent Caucasian dealers, who are the dominant retail distributors of Mexico-produced marijuana. Local independent Caucasian dealers also are the dominant retail distributors of locally produced marijuana. Retail marijuana sales usually occur in private residences, bars, and restaurants in the state.
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The production of marijuana is increasingly associated with violence. Growers in Kentucky are known to protect themselves and their crops with firearms, explosives, and booby traps, posing a greater threat to law enforcement and the public. Marijuana growers operating on federal land in Kentucky have verbally and physically assaulted visitors to national forests. The U.S. Forest Service advises that booby-trapped cannabis cultivation sites may endanger visitors. The use of weapons and explosives has resulted in a rise in related crimes such as assaults, illegal possession of firearms, and murders. The number of weapons seized during cannabis eradication program operations nationwide has more than doubled over the past decade.
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National Drug Intelligence Center

In other words... we'll be handing over Kentucky's number one cash crop to a group of law-breakers with current ties to Mexican drug cartels.

Sounds like a great plan.

:shock:
 
Grateful Heart said:
So under the proposal of many of the reformers here... we'll simply legalize marijuana production and turn it over to the current 'farmers.' Such as all those nice 'farmers' in Kentucky currently cultivating it...





National Drug Intelligence Center

In other words... we'll be handing over Kentucky's number one cash crop to a group of law-breakers with current ties to Mexican drug cartels.

Sounds like a great plan.

:shock:
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Why would Kentucky pot farmers need Mexican drug cartels in a legal business?
 
I am for the legalization of marijuana. My own personal belief is that it would be a viable cash crop for farmers, legitimate jobs created, and tax revenue collected.

I do not think that legalizing it will solve California's economy. My grandfather taught me as a kid, how to be thrifty without being a cheapskate.

He would always say, "If you can't budget $5.00, you can't budget $5,000,000".

No matter how much money you give the crooks in office, they'll find a way to squander it.
 
Grateful Heart said:
Are you seriously suggesting that people in this country, other than a few hobbyists, brew or distill their own beer and liquor on a regular basis? Or cultivate tobacco to make their own cigarettes?

And are you denying that 'growing your own' is actually quite popular among regular weed smokers? And probably would be even if legalized?

Weed-Man.JPG




Now your making a case that it's okay for kids to be stoned in school? We shouldn't care?

:shock:
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Some people would continue to grow their own, most wouldn't, just like with alcohol.

If kids are causing a problem, they're causing a problem. If they aren't, they aren't.
 
thabigred said:
I hope California keeps pushing this, Americans need something to relax after being so openly ****ed in the ass by wallstreet.
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Americans are getting so ****ed in the ass by their own Governments it is doubtful they would even feel it if Wall Street was ****ing them.

I am always amused when people hate monger Wall Street yet don't care when their Governments rape them constantly.

But then, when you become a ward of the state and dependent on suckling at the government teat, you have to have a villain to blame right? :roll:
 
Truth Detector said:
I have yet to see a reasoned coherent argument that would suggest it will and instead the thread is blathered by the typical nonsense one would see in the legalize drugs threads.
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Zyphlin said:
Never smoked once in my life so I can hardly be called a "weed bafoon", but I do see this being a possible boom to their economy. IF it comes to pass it:

1. Creates new jobs for people growing and manufacturing the weed
2. Creates new jobs with infrastructure supporting this (for example head shops or bars catering specifically to smoking)
3. Reduces tax payer burden by reducing the number of drug incarcerations
4. Free's up law enforcement to focus on other forms of illegal activities
5. Taxes generated from its sales.

All of this will help with the economy most likely.
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As I said, it will help the economy there I believe. Will it "solve it"? Probably not, for likely teh same reasons as GottaHurt stated...they'll just find other ways to squander the money.

But creation of jobs generally help the economy. Reducing the amount of money spent on prisons allows it to possibly go back itno the economy. A more efficient police force should help the economy. And finally, taxes generated from it will likely help the economy, especially if they're smart and use it as a means of lowering taxes elsewhere.

What's your coherent argument against it helping the economy there?
 
Zyphlin said:
As I said, it will help the economy there I believe. Will it "solve it"? Probably not, for likely teh same reasons as GottaHurt stated...they'll just find other ways to squander the money.

But creation of jobs generally help the economy. Reducing the amount of money spent on prisons allows it to possibly go back itno the economy. A more efficient police force should help the economy. And finally, taxes generated from it will likely help the economy, especially if they're smart and use it as a means of lowering taxes elsewhere.

What's your coherent argument against it helping the economy there?
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The first mistake in your argument is that the California economy can be rescued by legalizing marijuana.

You must look at why the economy is spiraling downward; why do you think that is?

Hint: it is not from a lack of jobs or job creation.
 
So.......dodge, duck, deflect, but not address.

good to know
 
Truth Detector said:
The first mistake in your argument is that the California economy can be rescued by legalizing marijuana.

You must look at why the economy is spiraling downward; why do you think that is?

Hint: it is not from a lack of jobs or job creation.
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California has to many entitlements.
 
For those who believe legalizing marijuana in California will help alleviate the state's budget woes... let me ask this. Who will be responsible for tracking all that legal marijuana, performing quality control, and most important, ensuring it does not cross California's borders into states that don't want it?

If a shipment of marijuana is transported from a legal 'farm' in California to some other state, could the 'farmer' who allowed that shipment to slip out be prosecuted by either California, or the state in which his illegal pot ends up?

:confused:
 
Grateful Heart said:
For those who believe legalizing marijuana in California will help alleviate the state's budget woes... let me ask this. Who will be responsible for tracking all that legal marijuana, performing quality control, and most important, ensuring it does not cross California's borders into states that don't want it?

If a shipment of marijuana is transported from a legal 'farm' in California to some other state, could the 'farmer' who allowed that shipment to slip out be prosecuted by either California, or the state in which his illegal pot ends up?

:confused:
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They would be prosecuted like anyone else, just like if they had bought the marijuana in there own state illegally.

Possession is 9/10ths of the brother, as long as they have it where it is not allowed, they are to be prosecuted.
 
thabigred said:
They would be prosecuted like anyone else, just like if they had bought the marijuana in there own state illegally.
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So if a farmer growing marijuana legally in California allows his marijuana to be illegally transported OUT of the state, he'll be prosecuted?

:confused:
 
Zyphlin said:
As I said, it will help the economy there I believe. Will it "solve it"? Probably not, for likely teh same reasons as GottaHurt stated...they'll just find other ways to squander the money.

But creation of jobs generally help the economy. Reducing the amount of money spent on prisons allows it to possibly go back itno the economy. A more efficient police force should help the economy. And finally, taxes generated from it will likely help the economy, especially if they're smart and use it as a means of lowering taxes elsewhere.

What's your coherent argument against it helping the economy there?
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I think raising property taxes would help their economy. It was prop 8 or 13 that put a severe limit on that and then property values went out the wazzooo.
 
Grateful Heart said:
So if a farmer growing marijuana legally in California allows his marijuana to be illegally transported OUT of the state, he'll be prosecuted?

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Well no, if the law is anything like alcohol laws then no that farmer should not get in trouble.
 
I am getting absolutely tired of this argument and the blatantly erroneous premises upon which anti-legalization proponents base their position.

There is no reason to argue against the legalization of marijuana...NONE. There is no legal reasoning, there is no logical reasoning, there is no philosophical reasoning, there is no moral reasoning. ANYONE who thinks otherwise, please inform me so that we can proceed to have a true debate on the topic, otherwise, keep your silly, emotionally-based arguments to yourself because I'm tired of hearing them.

What I find most ironic, is some of the most vehement defenders of the Second Amendment resort to the EXACT same tactics as the anti-gun crowd with their idiotic and nonsensical demonizing of an inanimate object. How can you defend guns against a brazenly idiotic premise while utilizing the exact same premise against marijuana? How can one fail to see this!? The hypocrisy of some people is simply astonishing.
 
Ethereal said:
I am getting absolutely tired of this argument and the blatantly erroneous premises upon which anti-legalization proponents base their position.

There is no reason to argue against the legalization of marijuana...NONE. There is no legal reasoning, there is no logical reasoning, there is no philosophical reasoning, there is no moral reasoning. ANYONE who thinks otherwise, please inform me so that we can proceed to have a true debate on the topic, otherwise, keep your silly, emotionally-based arguments to yourself because I'm tired of hearing them.

What I find most ironic, is some of the most vehement defenders of the Second Amendment resort to the EXACT same tactics as the anti-gun crowd with their idiotic and nonsensical demonizing of an inanimate object. How can you defend guns against a brazenly idiotic premise while utilizing the exact same premise against marijuana? How can one fail to see this!? The hypocrisy of some people is simply astonishing.
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Because marijuana allegedly makes people lazy....but guns don't kill people....wait...inconsistency....
 
Ethereal said:
I am getting absolutely tired of this argument and the blatantly erroneous premises upon which anti-legalization proponents base their position.

There is no reason to argue against the legalization of marijuana...NONE. There is no legal reasoning, there is no logical reasoning, there is no philosophical reasoning, there is no moral reasoning. ANYONE who thinks otherwise, please inform me so that we can proceed to have a true debate on the topic, otherwise, keep your silly, emotionally-based arguments to yourself because I'm tired of hearing them.
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So you believe that the people and governments of the U.S. and every other civilized nation, including Canada and the most liberal EU societies, which all strictly enforce laws against cultivation, trafficking, and in most cases even the personal use of small amounts of marijuana, are all deluded?

Is that your belief?

:confused:
 
Grateful Heart said:
including Canada and the most liberal EU societies, which all strictly enforce laws against cultivation, trafficking, and in most cases even the personal use of small amounts of marijuana, are all deluded?

Is that your belief?

:confused:
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What laws are you exactly talking about. I expect links BTW per country and per law.
 
Grateful Heart said:
So you believe that the people and governments of the U.S. and every other civilized nation, including Canada and the most liberal EU societies, which all strictly enforce laws against cultivation, trafficking, and in most cases even the personal use of small amounts of marijuana, are all deluded?

Is that your belief?

:confused:
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Other nations are not my concern, nor are appeals to the majority. Foreign legal systems are unique to their region and history, therefore, I am not interested in discussing the efficacy or validity of their drugs laws; their business is their own.

What concerns me is the arguments against legalization in the US. They are blatantly wrong in every way conceivable. There is no legal, logical, moral, or philosophically legitimate argument against legalization; it simply does not exist. We are a nation of liberty engendered by NEGATIVE RIGHTS. Americans would do well to familiarize themselves with this concept as it seems to escape them with some regularity. If you feel my argument is without merit, then let us proceed with a true debate.
 
Truth Detector said:
Your points are valid but do not expect honesty from the legalize drug crowd; that would require removing their willing suspension of disbelief and denial.

:2wave:
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I'll take the pro-drug crowd over your whiny diatribes. I have yet to see you formulate a structurally sound argument. In fact, most of your arguments are very emotional.
 
Truth Detector said:
The first mistake in your argument is that the California economy can be rescued by legalizing marijuana.

You must look at why the economy is spiraling downward; why do you think that is?

Hint: it is not from a lack of jobs or job creation.
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So more jobs and a taxing on marijuana would not help? Please.
 
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