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Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

Florida is going to be one of the last states to go down that legalization road, damn I hate living here at times.
 
So you're okay with selling pot next to the beer stands at ballparks??

MLB has a no-smoke policy regarding tobacco, so saying that smoking grass will be accepted at ballparks is a stretch.
 
So you're okay with selling pot next to the beer stands at ballparks??

;)
It would be more along the lines of cigarettes.

Cigarette companies are waiting tell the government legalizes marijuana, they have set up cultivation methods in Mexico already.
 
Florida is going to be one of the last states to go down that legalization road, damn I hate living here at times.

Don't you love how Governor Christ raised the growing 1 plant to a felony offense and criminalizing Salvia?

It grows to good in this state for them to legalize it, people would be growing in there backyards if it ever got to that point.
 
It grows to good in this state for them to legalize it, people would be growing in there backyards if it ever got to that point.

That reminds me of a rather odd conversation I had with my (WWII vet) grandpa a while back.

"You know, I'd always thought nobody could touch california but florida has some of the best stuff you'll ever smoke."

:shock:
 
Don't you love how Governor Christ raised the growing 1 plant to a felony offense and criminalizing Salvia?

It grows to good in this state for them to legalize it, people would be growing in there backyards if it ever got to that point.

I hadn't heard of the new laws until just now, I nave not needed to keep abreast on cultivation laws for quite a few years now. On a side not I do miss my little closet grow of White Widow plants and the never emptying coffee container full of sticky stinky white buds. :)
 
Now I am suspicious of you. :shock:

With my files, you should be. :2razz:

If they knew what you knew, they wouldn't have the resources to deal with it.

If they knew what I knew, things would be real different in schools...actually, the probably wouldn't. They'd still be in denial and wouldn't use the resources they have to help.

I am working on a kick ass presentation that I will be giving in September that addresses this issue. Just wait...
 
I thought about that when I was posting, hydroponics tax would adversely effect a lot of tomato and basil grows though.

Tightly reign in the breeding program, charge a hefty tax for the latest greatest must have genetics? If you want in on the latest and greatest pay dearly for it, make it illegal to distribute clones to friends and peers? I am not sure I like that last idea, or any of it for that matter, but I am sure there will be some controls in place to discourage home growing, it is too easy to grow, and too many people have dreamed of doing it for too long (a few have at one point in time acted upon it though).

For public consumption venues, yes a hefty licensing fee.

paraphernalia tax is ineffectual to, there are too many people well versed in bong making/glass blowing ect. out there who have been doing it under the radar for ages.

I kind of like the tax stamp for the grow, but how does it get enforced, and how do we insure it is not a corrupted scam with no real stamps to be had like other ploys.

This is assuming that corporations couldn't put out a superior product. They can afford the genetecists. They will probably figure out a way to make the smoke have different colors. People can grow their own tomatoes but people still buy them at the store. What percentage are actually going to grow their own?

They could always add it to an existing tax as well. Put a federal "agriculture tax" on their electric bill. ;)
 
That reminds me of a rather odd conversation I had with my (WWII vet) grandpa a while back.

"You know, I'd always thought nobody could touch california but florida has some of the best stuff you'll ever smoke."

:shock:
My grandpa was a vietnam vet, he loved smoking him some grass.

He and my dad both had good times together.

I remember my dad was telling me he had a few small plants in his room during the 70's and one day he got up and went to California for spring break to catchup with friends. He said when he got back to Florida his plants were huge, bearly able to fit in his room.

He hung them up in the barn in trash bags and had a field day. More marijuana than he could smoke.

That night my grandfather came up to my dads room and was talking to him. All of a sudden during the convo, my grandfather winked to my dad and said "Boy...oh yeah while you were gone I watered your tomato plants while you were gone" and then winked at him and left the room.

How many times do you hear stories about that with Alcohol?

I will never understand how a substance that brings people down so much like Alcohol can be more socially accepted as Marijuana that all it does it makes you happy.
I hadn't heard of the new laws until just now, I nave not needed to keep abreast on cultivation laws for quite a few years now. On a side not I do miss my little closet grow of White Widow plants and the never emptying coffee container full of sticky stinky white buds. :)
I know exactly what you mean brother, I had something growing in the shed when the crime was lowest misdemeanor you could get, which was basically the highest penalty you could receive was a fine.

After the law was changed to a felony being the highest penalty was 5 years, I disposed of my baby. He did this all in response to the rich old ****s in south Florida that elected him who are tired of the state becoming more liberal.

I maybe economically conservative, but I am definitely socially liberal, like I think most people are in Florida. When all the old people die, we will have our chance.
 
Well, let's suppose for the sake of argument that marijuana were legalized. How would it be done?

I don't think anyone believes we'd be selling or smoking it at the ballpark next to the beer stand... so fill me in on the details...

Actually, I don't think this would be out of the realm of possibility as long as there was a smoking section.

Coffee shops?

Alcohol and cigarettes are not allowed there, so no.

At home only?

No.

Designated pot smoking centers?

Probably.

Would it be okay to drive stoned? If you were just 'slightly buzzed' for instance?

No, same type of consequences as driving drunk. This already occurs.

Would it be okay to be stoned at work? One hit at lunchtime while your buddy has his beer?

I suppose that would depend of the employer. If I were the boss, both would be immediate grounds for dismissal.

Could one be arrested for 'stoned in public' similar to a 'public intoxication' for alcohol?

Sure.

Would the legal age be 21 or 18?

I would say 21, both for consistency's sake and because of adolescent brain development.

Would all forms of pot be legal? Aren't some varieties more potent than others?

Same as alcohol. We have some alcohol that is pretty weak, and some that is pretty potent.
 
With my files, you should be. :2razz:



If they knew what I knew, things would be real different in schools...actually, the probably wouldn't. They'd still be in denial and wouldn't use the resources they have to help.

I am working on a kick ass presentation that I will be giving in September that addresses this issue. Just wait...

But I want to hear it now!

You tease.

:2razz:
 
But I want to hear it now!

You tease.

:2razz:

You'll have to wait until you see me on the 6 O'clock news being dragged off so I can't expose what I know.

I'll wear my cape so you'll know it's me. :mrgreen:
 
This is assuming that corporations couldn't put out a superior product. They can afford the genetecists. They will probably figure out a way to make the smoke have different colors. People can grow their own tomatoes but people still buy them at the store. What percentage are actually going to grow their own?

They could always add it to an existing tax as well. Put a federal "agriculture tax" on their electric bill. ;)

If Marijuana ever became legalized in my state, I would be the first one to grow it.

Tomato's are a very hard crop to grow nicely, they take tender care, you have to plant them and harvest them at exactly the right time or they turn out like ****.

Marijuana is a weed, it will grow on top of mountains, it will grow in deserts, it will grow anywhere with enough sunlight, and reasonable amount of water.

You can't compare the two, and being that marijuana will most likely be over prices and all you have to do is cut the buds off the plant and hang up to dry, they are infinitely most accessible plant for any American to grow.
 
Nobody is saying that marijuana does not have drawbacks, it's just the pros heavily outweigh the cons.

The mental disorder thing is a exaggeration, there are three main different types of Marijuana.

Just wanted to address these two points.

1) The cons, over the long term, outweigh the pros. Just like alcohol and cigarettes.

2) The mental disorder thing is not an exaggeration by any means. If you have a diagnosable psychiatric disorder, marijuana will, most likely, worsen it, sometimes significantly. Having worked in the field for 20 years, I have seen this many, many, many times. And it doesn't matter much what you are smoking.
 
You'll have to wait until you see me on the 6 O'clock news being dragged off so I can't expose what I know.

I'll wear my cape so you'll know it's me. :mrgreen:

Wear your underwear outside your tights too. Otherwise I'll just think your a flamboyant vampire. :lol:
 
Just wanted to address these two points.

1) The cons, over the long term, outweigh the pros. Just like alcohol and cigarettes.

2) The mental disorder thing is not an exaggeration by any means. If you have a diagnosable psychiatric disorder, marijuana will, most likely, worsen it, sometimes significantly. Having worked in the field for 20 years, I have seen this many, many, many times. And it doesn't matter much what you are smoking.

1. Eating to much is wrong for our health, should the government restrict how much food you are aloud to eat. Number 1 killers in the US are heart disease and diabetes. Maybe we should go on a crusade against health problems by forcing people to lose weight that are over weight. Face it, society job was never to restrict things they deamed unhealthy, all they are supposed to do is make it so your habits don't effect others.

No way does your point of Marijuana being cancerous support anti-marijuana legislation, because it is not societies job to regulate what we can have that is unhealthy for us and cannot have that is unhealthy for us.

2. I explained how there are two different strands of marijuana, the kind that most people smoke is sativa. If someone has a mental health disorder a Indica heavily plant, which most medical marijuana distributor give out, is what they should be smoking. It is not hallucinogenic and leaves the user stoned.

As a person that has seen much of this, I hope you check out this, it is the story of a very christian conservative mother that had a child with ADHD that undergoes research to find out if smoking medical marijuana would calm him down.

YouTube - Jeffrey's Journey - Healing a Child's Violent Rages With Pot

As a child I had ADHD also, I took Ritalin in middle school which allowed me to focus on my work very well, but by the time I got to high school my parents felt I was to old to be using ritalin.

I stopped taking it and my grades decreased accordingly.

Then I was introduced to marijuana by my peers on my football team, it allowed me to recover from my soreness from playing football sooner, and my grades in my classes increased because I was able to focus more on my work instead of having my mind everywhere else.

Medical marijuana like used in this video is Indica based, not sativa, it has low THC content and allows the user to become "stoned" so to speak.
 
1. Eating to much is wrong for our health, should the government restrict how much food you are aloud to eat. Number 1 killers in the US are heart disease and diabetes. Maybe we should go on a crusade against health problems by forcing people to lose weight that are over weight. Face it, society job was never to restrict things they deamed unhealthy, all they are supposed to do is make it so your habits don't effect others.

No way does your point of Marijuana being cancerous support anti-marijuana legislation, because it is not societies job to regulate what we can have that is unhealthy for us and cannot have that is unhealthy for us.

You are ranting to the wrong audience. I am pro-legalization. Re-read my posts. All I am doing is correcting your misinformation. If one is to be educated, one needs to understand the facts.

2. I explained how there are two different strands of marijuana, the kind that most people smoke is sativa. If someone has a mental health disorder a Indica heavily plant, which most medical marijuana distributor give out, is what they should be smoking. It is not hallucinogenic and leaves the user stoned.
Marijuana also has depressive qualities, regardless of the strain. This is detrimental to those with mood disorders.

As a person that has seen much of this, I hope you check out this, it is the story of a very christian conservative mother that had a child with ADHD that undergoes research to find out if smoking medical marijuana would calm him down.

YouTube - Jeffrey's Journey - Healing a Child's Violent Rages With Pot

As a child I had ADHD also, I took Ritalin in middle school which allowed me to focus on my work very well, but by the time I got to high school my parents felt I was to old to be using ritalin.

I stopped taking it and my grades decreased accordingly.

Then I was introduced to marijuana by my peers on my football team, it allowed me to recover from my soreness from playing football sooner, and my grades in my classes increased because I was able to focus more on my work instead of having my mind everywhere else.

Medical marijuana like used in this video is Indica based, not sativa, it has low THC content and allows the user to become "stoned" so to speak.
That's a nice story and I'm happy you did better. As one who has seen much of this as a therapist for 20 years, including many with ADHD, this is a misnomer. Marijuana masks ADHD symptoms. Will it calm you down? Yes. Will it help you focus. No. The increased calmness gives the illusion of helping you to focus, but over time, the effects of the drug decrease your ability to focus and negatively affect your short term memory. I've seen many ADD kids start smoking and, amazingly, do better...for a time. If they continue, and, especially, if their use becomes moderate to heavy, not only do they lose these gains, but their short term memory is permanently damaged. Even Ritalin doesn't help. Now, does this happen to everyone? No. It often depends on the amount of use, but make no mistake. All marijuana does is mask the symptoms.

Used in moderation, I see little problem with marijuana use. At that level, it's only a little more harmful that alcohol, and only because of the way it is ingested (smoke). What I do see a problem with is when pro-legalization people erroneous taut marijuana as causing few medical issues, and not affecting those with mental health issues. Both are inaccuracies. If you want it legalized, you need to give accurate information. Compare it with alcohol and cigarettes...that's the way to go. Saying it's safer is incorrect...and because it is incorrect, people are going to assume you are just a pothead wanting to smoke your weed.

There are more cons than pros to long term, moderate marijuana use...same as alcohol.

Marijuana will, most likely, worsen psychiatric issues for those who have them.

And yes, I am still pro-legalization for the reasons I outlined earlier.
 
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You are ranting to the wrong audience. I am pro-legalization. Re-read my posts. All I am doing is correcting your misinformation. If one is to be educated, one needs to understand the facts.

Marijuana also has depressive qualities, regardless of the strain. This is detrimental to those with mood disorders.

That's a nice story and I'm happy you did better. As one who has seen much of this as a therapist for 20 years, including many with ADHD, this is a misnomer. Marijuana masks ADHD symptoms. Will it calm you down? Yes. Will it help you focus. No. The increased calmness gives the illusion of helping you to focus, but over time, the effects of the drug decrease your ability to focus and negatively affect your short term memory. I've seen many ADD kids start smoking and, amazingly, do better...for a time. If they continue, and, especially, if their use becomes moderate to heavy, not only do they lose these gains, but their short term memory is permanently damaged. Even Ritalin doesn't help. Now, does this happen to everyone? No. It often depends on the amount of use, but make no mistake. All marijuana does is mask the symptoms.

Used in moderation, I see little problem with marijuana use. At that level, it's only a little more harmful that alcohol, and only because of the way it is ingested (smoke). What I do see a problem with is when pro-legalization people erroneous taut marijuana as causing few medical issues, and not affecting those with mental health issues. Both are inaccuracies. If you want it legalized, you need to give accurate information. Compare it with alcohol and cigarettes...that's the way to go. Saying it's safer is incorrect...and because it is incorrect, people are going to assume you are just a pothead wanting to smoke your weed.

There are more cons than pros to long term, moderate marijuana use...same as alcohol.

Marijuana will, most likely, worsen psychiatric issues for those who have them.

And yes, I am still pro-legalization for the reasons I outlined earlier.
Marijuana does not allow you to focus you say?

YouTube - Marijuana and Driving

Here is a long term user of marijuana, that drives before and after smoking a joint, and they test how well he drives while high.

The long term user of marijuana drives better after smoking a joint than before smoking the joint.

If you have a problem with smoking it, I suggest cannabutter, which is a process where you take take the stuff that makes you high from marijuana and puts them into butter so you can cook with them.
 
Marijuana does not allow you to focus you say?

YouTube - Marijuana and Driving

Here is a long term user of marijuana, that drives before and after smoking a joint, and they test how well he drives while high.

The long term user of marijuana drives better after smoking a joint than before smoking the joint.

If you have a problem with smoking it, I suggest cannabutter, which is a process where you take take the stuff that makes you high from marijuana and puts them into butter so you can cook with them.

Of course you would draw that conclusion. I draw a different one. He indicated that he felt more paranoia and his perception was distorted...he felt he was driving slower than he actually was. Also, he didn't say he could more easily concentrate...he said he had to force himself to concentrate more. These are all impairments, that he indicated, showing that his perception was affected by the marijuana. I do not want him driving when high, nor anyone else. Your video proves my position.

And if the butter gives the same response, than I would feel the same way about the butter.

You are doing what many pro-legals do. Providing incorrect information that is easily refuted. This will force those on the cusp to reject your position. You are not helping yourself, here.
 
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Of course you would draw that conclusion. I draw a different one. He indicated that he felt more paranoia and his perception was distorted...he felt he was driving slower than he actually was. Also, he didn't say he could more easily concentrate...he said he had to force himself to concentrate more. These are all impairments, that he indicated, showing that his perception was affected by the marijuana. I do not want him driving when high, nor anyone else. Your video proves my position.

And if the butter gives the same response, than I would feel the same way about the butter.

You are doing what many pro-legals do. Providing incorrect information that is easily refuted. This will force those on the cusp to reject your position. You are not helping yourself, here.
1. The difference between my conclusion and your conclusion is you are trying to act as though my conclusion should lead to yours. The video proves that being moderately high can allow a person who is a regular smoker of marijuana the ability to concentrate better.

When the driver was not high, he could drive and focus on everything else which was because he could pay less attention to the road and still drive ok. When the driver was high, his perception was distorted, not so much to not allow him to do normal tasks but enough that he had to focus himself on a task at hand to get it done.

When high you have to concentrate, which is something people who have a hard time concentrating cannot do on there own, with moderate use of marijuana this is possible. People have to focus on the task at hand, in order to get things done. There is no multitasking involved.

2. You brought up the fact of smoking being bad for your lungs or what not because it is cancerous. I bring up butter because it is not nearly as cancerous form of ingestion as smoking and offers the same effects. Neutralizing your argument of cancer.
 
I hate hearing stories like this. Firstly, it sounds like he was practically "proud" of his friend's idiotic driving exploits, and secondly, getting his kid to help out this alcoholic is both enabling and emotionally harmful to the kid.

This guy sounds like a real loser.




Apparently you can find him at legal seafood most days. :roll:
 
dammit, I was hoping to bring up the belligerent drunk in the stands behind me spilling popcorn all over my shoulder and yelling in my ear cussing like a sailor despite all the kids around as a potential rebuttal for Grateful Heart, you stole my thunder :p




Where did you think you were going? a church retreat? :lol:
 
Yes. Marijuana is no more dangerous then alcohol. Nobody has EVER died from smoking marijuana. How many have died from alcohol poisoning? Your attempt to make this seem like a cloudy issue that needs to be thought out before dealt with is see through.



Please link to studies regarding no one developing lung cancer or other health issues because pot's smoke is actually a good thing to stick in your lungs.....

I love speculative claims!


Also consider no one has been made smarter by smoking it either, YMMV.... :lol:
 
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