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Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

Grateful Heart said:
So you envision an American culture in which we go to the ballpark and I order a hot dog and a cold beer, while you order a large order of nachos and a joint?

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Yeah... I'm also guaranteed not to become a belligerent drunk and throw someone off of the stands.
 
EgoffTib said:
Yeah... I'm also guaranteed not to become a belligerent drunk and throw someone off of the stands.
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You've convinced me. No drinking or smoking at the ballpark. :mrgreen:
 
People can laugh all they'd like. But even in a country such as the Netherlands... pot-smokers are consigned to their 'coffee houses.' In essence, the freaks are still segregated. Smoking weed is not socially acceptable in the way that alcohol is.

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EgoffTib said:
Yeah... I'm also guaranteed not to become a belligerent drunk and throw someone off of the stands.
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dammit, I was hoping to bring up the belligerent drunk in the stands behind me spilling popcorn all over my shoulder and yelling in my ear cussing like a sailor despite all the kids around as a potential rebuttal for Grateful Heart, you stole my thunder :p
 
Grateful Heart said:
People can laugh all they'd like. But even in a country such as the Netherlands... pot-smokers are consigned to their 'coffee houses.' In essence, the freaks are still segregated. Smoking weed is not socially acceptable in the way that alcohol is.

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Go to the middle east and let me know how they feel about which of the 2 is socially unacceptable.
 
marduc said:
Go to the middle east and let me know how they feel about which of the 2 is socially unacceptable.
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You don't seriously think that observation is going to aid your cause in any way, shape or form, do you?

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Grateful Heart said:
You don't seriously think that observation is going to aid your cause in any way, shape or form, do you?

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Why does his cause need any aid? Anyone with a functioning brain and an open mind can see that Cannabis is no worse than alcohol and should be made legal.
 
EgoffTib said:
Why does his cause need any aid? Anyone with a functioning brain and an open mind can see that Cannabis is no worse than alcohol and should be made legal.
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Because as I said in post #167, this isn't a battle of logic. It's a cultural battle. If you persist in fighting it with logic or reason you will never win.

Grateful Heart said:
The fact is that drug use in the U.S., as well as most other cultures, is very much a cultural phenomenon. And in the U.S., drinking is socially acceptable. Smoking weed is not.

Advocates for cannabis can cite all the case studies and research reports demonstrating that marijuana isn't harmful. That doesn't change the fact that MOST parents in this country don't want their kids growing up to be Cheech & Chong!
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So no... pointing out that smoking dope is popular in the middle east does not help you win the hearts and minds of the American people. In fact just the opposite is true.

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Grateful Heart said:
You don't seriously think that observation is going to aid your cause in any way, shape or form, do you?

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no more than your silly posting of a coffee shop in Amsterdam. my cause is lost on you anyways.

If you are going to appeal to the situation in Amsterdam, then what is wrong with my countering by appealing to the situation in the middle east. Glad you can see the irrelevancy of your own post in the mirror, I was hoping it would not be wasted.
 
Grateful Heart said:
Because as I said in post #167, this isn't a battle of logic. It's a cultural battle. If you persist in fighting it with logic or reason you will never win.



So no... pointing out that smoking dope is popular in the middle east does not help you win the hearts and minds of the American people. In fact just the opposite is true.
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We could all stand a lot by being open minded and learning from one another, whether it be as individuals or cross culturally. Just underscores how easily your opinion is swayed by the actions of a few. That guy in the picture, and millions and millions just like him are just living their lives just as we are, they did not fly an airplane into the world trade center.
 
If marijuana become legal, I see it handled as a combination of how alcohol and cigarettes are handled. No one will be allowed to smoke indoors in a public establishment and the same types of socially unacceptable behavior (smoking on the job for example) will apply.
 
marduc said:
no more than your silly posting of a coffee shop in Amsterdam. my cause is lost on you anyways.
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I'm not sure why you think that. I'm not an opponent to legalization. I'm simply pointing out what opponents of legalization believe. If you believe this is a battle of reason and logic, then you are mistaken.

If you are going to appeal to the situation in Amsterdam, then what is wrong with my countering by appealing to the situation in the middle east. Glad you can see the irrelevancy of your own post in the mirror, I was hoping it would not be wasted.
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Both posts were perfectly consistent as far as I can see. The point of both posts, for good or for worse, is that neither would appeal to mainstream Americans. You can attribute that to bias, or cultural snobbery, or even racism on some level. But it is there nevertheless.

One of the reasons marijuana was outlawed in the U.S. (in the western states first, btw) was because it was seen as a 'Mexican' thing.

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CaptainCourtesy said:
If marijuana become legal, I see it handled as a combination of how alcohol and cigarettes are handled. No one will be allowed to smoke indoors in a public establishment and the same types of socially unacceptable behavior (smoking on the job for example) will apply.
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Can I eat brownies on the job? :lol:

I'm late to this party, but I know when I was a kid it was a lot easier to get than alcohol. Now that I am older and wouldn't buy from kids, it's a lot harder to get.

CC, I saw your figures about teen alcohol vs. marijuana. It shows that one is more popular. There are other factors now too. Kids get drug tested in order to stay in extracurricular activities. Alcohol leaves the system quicker.
 
Grateful Heart said:
I'm not sure why you think that. I'm not an opponent to legalization. I'm simply pointing out what opponents of legalization believe. If you believe this is a battle of reason and logic, then you are mistaken.



Both posts were perfectly consistent as far as I can see. The point of both posts, for good or for worse, is that neither would appeal to mainstream Americans. You can attribute that to bias, or cultural snobbery, or even racism on some level. But it is there nevertheless.

One of the reasons marijuana was outlawed in the U.S. (in the western states first, btw) was because it was seen as a 'Mexican' thing.

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Wasn't it popular with the black culture? They are called jazz cigarettes for a reason.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Can I eat brownies on the job? :lol:
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No. :2razz:

I'm late to this party, but I know when I was a kid it was a lot easier to get than alcohol. Now that I am older and wouldn't buy from kids, it's a lot harder to get.

CC, I saw your figures about teen alcohol vs. marijuana. It shows that one is more popular. There are other factors now too. Kids get drug tested in order to stay in extracurricular activities. Alcohol leaves the system quicker.
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Sports are usually the only extracurricular activity that receives drug testing, at least around here, and even then, only if there is suspicion. I've never seen this to be a deterrent if someone was going to use. Hiding one's use from the night before is not difficult at all.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No. :2razz:



Sports are usually the only extracurricular activity that receives drug testing, at least around here, and even then, only if there is suspicion. I've never seen this to be a deterrent if someone was going to use. Hiding one's use from the night before is not difficult at all.
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Here they test randomly and if there is a suspicion.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
If marijuana become legal, I see it handled as a combination of how alcohol and cigarettes are handled. No one will be allowed to smoke indoors in a public establishment and the same types of socially unacceptable behavior (smoking on the job for example) will apply.
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Much the same as you cannot walk down the street with a beer, or take the beer you got at the ballpark out to your car after the game. We control the setting that is accepted in as well.

This whole socially accepted argument is silly.. If someone farted at a ball game that would be socially unaccepted, should that be prohibited? the guy yelling and being an obnoxious drunk at the ball game, socially unacceptable, we tolerate. Tolerance is the cornerstone of a functioning society. Why the double standards?
 
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marduc said:
Much the same as you cannot walk down the street with a beer, or take the beer you got at the ballpark out to your car after the game. We control the setting that is accepted in as well.

This whole socially accepted argument is silly.. If someone farted at a ball game that would be socially unaccepted, should that be prohibited? the guy yelling and being an obnoxious drunk at the ball game, socially unacceptable, we tolerate. Why the double standards?
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Both of the things you mention would be tolerated.

Different levels of socially acceptable behavior are tolerated. You can fart at a ballpark with little ill effects. Start to masturbate and the impact will be far larger.

Double entandre's rule. :mrgreen:

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CaptainCourtesy said:
Both of the things you mention would be tolerated.

Different levels of socially acceptable behavior are tolerated. You can fart at a ballpark with little ill effects. Start to masturbate and the impact will be far larger.

Double entandre's rule. :mrgreen:

IT in 4...3...2...1...
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Are you calling me a giant dickhead? :2razz:

Baseball should hand out joints at the gate. At least then all the spitting and crotch grabbing might be funny.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Both of the things you mention would be tolerated.

Different levels of socially acceptable behavior are tolerated. You can fart at a ballpark with little ill effects. Start to masturbate and the impact will be far larger.

Double entandre's rule. :mrgreen:

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I agree, I also agree with your post I quoted, I ended up going on a tangent with my stream of thought and addressing Grateful's argument.

the double standard was more in reference to alcohol vs. marijuana anyways, the fart was just a silly lame attempt to draw another parallel, what rationale reason is there? This goes back to my question posed in reference to the joint at the ball game. What one reason other than the smoke which is easy enough to overcome would that be a taboo while beer is not (provided both were legal obviously)? The actions of the beer drinker stand a much greater potential to result in unacceptable behavior.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Here, if they knew what I knew, they probably would, too. ;)
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Now I am suspicious of you. :shock:

If they knew what you knew, they wouldn't have the resources to deal with it.
 
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