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Alaska Gov. Palin's Daughter, Fiance Break Up

But luckily we have Western medicine so you can can pregnant after you've finished school and have a mortgage.

Do you people seriously thing college girls should get pregnant?

I think it's much harder to get your original body back if you wait till your over 30 to have kids- which is no small thing. It's more likely you'll have to pay for fertility treatments, etc.

Women face a dilemma when it comes to kids that men just don't. Biologically speaking it's better for women to have their kids relatively young. Meanwhile if you wait around to finish college you're bumping up against the end of your peak, age wise. Women are taught they can have it all, do both, do everything. Truth is there are sacrifices and prices to be made no matter what you choose to do. I don't advocate women getting knocked up as teens but there is something to be said for being a relatively young mother and getting all that childbearing done when your body is in the best shape to do it. I couldn't imagine waiting till my 30's to start. Men sacrifice nothing by waiting that long. The same can not be said for women.
 
If they're in college, probably not, because it's difficult to do both. If they've graduated or if they're not going to college, then sure, assuming the rest of their situation is okay.

Difficult? That's an understatement. After you graduate you have another task: start a career. How are you supposed to have a professional career pregnant? Any serious industry is going to require at least 50 hours a week and flexibility.
 
Difficult? That's an understatement. After you graduate you have another task: start a career. How are you supposed to have a professional career pregnant? Any serious industry is going to require at least 50 hours a week and flexibility.

See the dilemma women face?
 
Difficult? That's an understatement. After you graduate you have another task: start a career. How are you supposed to have a professional career pregnant? Any serious industry is going to require at least 50 hours a week and flexibility.

You know as well as I do that a huge portion of the country has neither the desire nor the need to maintain a "professional career." If the husband makes enough money for the family and the wife wants to stay home and raise the kids, what's wrong with that?
 
Yeah, so, be responsible and wait. Or here's a crazy idea: don't have kids.

I was responsible and waited until I was 26. Now I wonder what the hell I waited for. I mean I wouldn't have wanted a child under the age of 19 but I know now I could have handled things just the same a little sooner.
 
You know as well as I do that a huge portion of the country has neither the desire nor the need to maintain a "professional career." If the husband makes enough money for the family and the wife wants to stay home and raise the kids, what's wrong with that?

Two incomes is a fiscal necessity in a lot of places in the US. If the husband makes enough, great, but that's increasingly uncommon.
 
Bah AW, you're horrible, hate your kids, and are white trash. You should've had a forced abortion because you're not 30 apparently.

The notion that age alone should be the determining factor or the main factor as to whether someone should get married or have kids is as asinine as the above notion is.
 
Yeah, so, be responsible and wait. Or here's a crazy idea: don't have kids.

Or have them, have them young, and work it out. It's very doable. A 17 year old is nowhere near the same as a 22 or 23 year old.

Arguing that one must wait till they are 30 in order to be viewed as sensible is absurd. In fact it's not sensible biologically speaking unless you enjoy the idea of fertility treatments and being a relatively old parent.

I agree with your basic sentiment. If you're not out of high school it's probably not the best idea in the world. But saying you must absolutely wait till you're both in your 30s is ridiculous. The way I see it is someone has to watch the kids, raise them, be the primary care giver. It's not important that the person who is going to do that graduate college before having kids. People have to make choices, before the choices are just made for them because they waited too long.
 
Bah AW, you're horrible, hate your kids, and are white trash. You should've had a forced abortion because you're not 30 apparently.

The notion that age alone should be the determining factor or the main factor as to whether someone should get married or have kids is as asinine as the above notion is.

only if you want to maximize the potential of both yourself and your children
 
Bah AW, you're horrible, hate your kids, and are white trash. You should've had a forced abortion because you're not 30 apparently.

The notion that age alone should be the determining factor or the main factor as to whether someone should get married or have kids is as asinine as the above notion is.

How old is octomom again?
 
Two incomes is a fiscal necessity in a lot of places in the US. If the husband makes enough, great, but that's increasingly uncommon.

Which is why I wouldn't advise it on the upper east side, but if they're in a place where two incomes are not necessary, what's the problem? My cousin purchased a nice 2Br2Ba house for under $100k. His mortgage payment is around 25% of my rent. I can guarantee that at age 30, he and his wife will have a higher net worth than me and my girlfriend.

I just don't see what's so bad about that.
 
She's 33, so naturally is not white trash, loves her children, is well educated, has a wonderful job, and is the perfect and only candidate to have children.

Now if she was 4 years earlier, time to get the vacuum
 
only if you want to maximize the potential of both yourself and your children

Ah, so its just about maximizing potential, not about age? Is that it.

Well lets add to your wonderful list.

Forced abortions for everyone if:

1. They are under 30
2. They have a history of cancer in either side of the family
3. They have a history of heart disease in either side of the family
4. They have a history of mental disease in either side of the family
5. Make under $150k a year
6. Have not been married for 10 years and certified by an independent marriage consultant that the marriage is stable
7. Have history of any criminal activity.
8. Both do not have a Master's degree or higher
9. They do not live in the vicinity of a school ranked in the top 100 in the country
10. They do not have at least a 4 bedroom, 3 bath, half an acre or more home.

Anything other than that? Abortion cause they don't love their children enough to give them the very best chances.
 
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Which is why I wouldn't advise it on the upper east side, but if they're in a place where two incomes are not necessary, what's the problem? My cousin purchased a nice 2Br2Ba house for under $100k. His mortgage payment is around 25% of my rent. I can guarantee that at age 30, he and his wife will have a higher net worth than me and my girlfriend.

I just don't see what's so bad about that.

A dual income is required for a lot of places that aren't nearly as nice as the UES.
 
Yeah, and, generally 30 year olds have their **** together a little bit better then 19 year olds.

If you have a kid when you're 19, bottom line, you're ****ing your life up. That's what abortion is for.

I would say that my parents, at 19, were far more responsible than the average 30 year-old in this country.

Bottom line: every person is different.
 
You know as well as I do that a huge portion of the country has neither the desire nor the need to maintain a "professional career." If the husband makes enough money for the family and the wife wants to stay home and raise the kids, what's wrong with that?

Many times a lot. For one, most of the time the husband does not make enough. Unless he makes 90k up, more than likely its not enough to raise a family, meet their needs, and buy a home on that alone.

Secondly, this a different time now than it was 50 years ago or more. Back then, many stay at home mothers also had farms to deal with and several kids. It truly was a full time job to stay at home, take care of the land and kids while your husband was at work.

Today, most people have 2 kids. Keeping 2 or 3 kids all day does not constitute a job. I know, I know.... But what about all the housework, laundry, feeding them, working with them on their homework, and so on. Yeah, well, working parents manage to do all that too - AND work a 40 hour a week job or more.

Most of the kids I know with stay at home mothers are just plain rotten kids. The reason why is their mother just ends up appeasing the kids so she can do all the things she wants to do during the day. I mean come on, why do you think all those soaps, and shows like Doctor Phil, and The View are on TV all day long? Its because these stay at home Moms who are quick to tell you that being a stay at home mom with 2 kids is a full time job, are actually spending much of the day sitting on their ass watching those shows. Like I say, there is nothing they do that my wife doesn't do, she just does it on top of working a full time job.

Moreover, if you don't work, on top of fostering laziness, and many times rotten kids, it also many times leads to a household that does not bring in enough money which hurts the kids future because the family is not able to provide for the kind of enrichment and future education two income families can provide.

Anyway, I think in many cases its a big mistake for both parents not to work. Especially once the kids start school. This is a different world than it used to be. Stay at home moms are not out taking care of livestock on top of raising kids while the father is at work.
 
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sheesh jealous much?

Stay at home moms have rotten kids cause they eat bon bons all day. :rofl
 
Most of the kids I know with stay at home mothers are just plain rotten kids. The reason why is their mother just ends up appeasing the kids so she can do all the things she wants to do during the day. I mean come on, why do you think all those soaps, and shows like Doctor Phil, and The View are on TV all day long? Its because these stay at home Moms who are quick to tell you that being a stay at home mom with 2 kids is a full time job, are actually spending much of the day sitting on their ass watching those shows. Like I say, there is nothing they do that my wife doesn't do, she just does it on top of working a full time job.
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What a crock! All the stay at home mothers I know are nothing like that. They do things with their children, like take them to museums and parks, and then go home to do housework and cook. You think it's so easy, I'd like to see you be a stay at home parent for a week.

And there is something they do that us parents who have to work can't do- spend even more quality time with their children.
 
You guys can cling to relativism all you want but the reality is that children when you're young is an unnecessary burden which will stunt your personal and career development. Of course many people triumph through this and raise mathletes that go to space camp, but my position is more likely then yours.
 
Forget the stay at home mom vs working mom wars for a minute. The fact of the matter is that most couples in the US today are not college educated couples. It's far more common for only 1 person in the "couple" to have a college education. Two full time jobs doesn't necessarily mean two jobs where a college degree is necessary. Many couples have the mom working only part time, sporadically, or not working when the kids are young and then working when they are older. It's not a black and white issue. You don't need a college degree to work and most moms work, don't work, work part time, don't work depending on the families needs during the child raising years. Rarely do you meet a woman who doesn't work and never has. It's all about adaptability and since women are best off having their first kid before the age of 24 it's likely women will often veer off the get college degree, establish career, etc path and opt for something slightly messier, more creative, and more adaptable if having kids is a priority.
 
Young marriage and child bearing aren't bad but I don't think that's what AW was saying. I think she was saying being trapped in a young marriage with someone you're not wishing to be with is bad, which seems to be the case here.

Its too bad it couldn't have worked out for them as I'm sure it would've worked better for all those involved. I hope our typical tabloid media will show a bit of respect to two young people that really don't need to be and shouldn't be dragged into all this.

Thankfully she seems to have a good family unit that will be there to help support her and the child.

It sounds to me like one of those questionable after party hookups that went to far. She just wanted to get laid ... and found out what happens when a condom isn't used.

The whole marriage thing was a cover to protect Sarah Palin and her running mate.
 
Wait, we're talking in reality now? Funny, none of your posts seemed to be grounded there but in magical mystical hyperbole-land
 
It sounds to me like one of those questionable after party hookups that went to far. She just wanted to get laid ... and found out what happens when a condom isn't used.

The whole marriage thing was a cover to protect Sarah Palin and her running mate.

Its quite possible, but at this point is nothing but speculation. There's really no evidence one way or another on it. While her mother is in favor of abstinence education, the school system she was a part of taught comprehensive sex ed. While they did announce the marriage during the campaign, there's no proof or evidence that it was done specifically because of that.

It pretty much comes down to a judgement call. I can see how one would make the determination it was all a political stunt, and its a valid opinion, but no more valid that it wasn't.
 
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