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Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

This is true, but what I'm arguing is that if someone wants to take their own life they will do it regardless the method, which is why we need better public awareness of suicide and it's symptoms, gun control will not solve the problem of criminal activity or self-inflicted harm.

1) I agree that we need better public awareness of suicide and it's symptoms
2) Gun control will not solve the problem of criminal activity or, especially self-inflicted harm.
3) If someone wants to take their own life, they will be more successful if they use a gun. Stats show this. Lethality of guns demonstrate this. It is far easier to revive someone from an overdose, than from a several inch hole in their brain.
 
Gun laws are a deterrent. They can't stop gun crime but they can lessen it by making guns not openly available to people who aren't criminal minded enough to seek out weapons on the black market.

For those people humans make knives.
Ask OJ.
The Rwandans.
 
3) If someone wants to take their own life, they will be more successful if they use a gun. Stats show this. Lethality of guns demonstrate this. It is far easier to revive someone from an overdose, than from a several inch hole in their brain.
Possibly, depending on all of the relevant medical factors. For instance, hanging, unless you get there in time to get the person off the rope and immediately do CPR that person is lost, same with an overdose, there is a point of no return from my understanding, slit wrists, same thing, no matter how much you stop the bleeding it doesn't matter after a certain volume. This brings up another point, you save someone hell-bent on dying once, how do you guarantee that they don't either try another method or a more opportune time than the previous attempt.
 
For those people humans make knives.
Ask OJ.
The Rwandans.

It's much easier to close your eyes and pull a trigger then it is to hold someone down and stab them over and over until they die.
 
It's much easier to close your eyes and pull a trigger then it is to hold someone down and stab them over and over until they die.
That is speculation at best and can only be without info. What are the factors? Is it a bigger human being like a 220lb man trying to stab a 95lb. woman to death? Or is it someone skilled in martial tactics? etc.
 
Possibly, depending on all of the relevant medical factors. For instance, hanging, unless you get there in time to get the person off the rope and immediately do CPR that person is lost, same with an overdose, there is a point of no return from my understanding, slit wrists, same thing, no matter how much you stop the bleeding it doesn't matter after a certain volume.

Everything you mentioned has some sort of time frame. A bullet hole in the brain doesn't.

This brings up another point, you save someone hell-bent on dying once, how do you guarantee that they don't either try another method or a more opportune time than the previous attempt.

You can't guarantee, but you can guarantee that they, currently, would not be dead. That, at least, gives you a chance.
 
Everything you mentioned has some sort of time frame. A bullet hole in the brain doesn't.



You can't guarantee, but you can guarantee that they, currently, would not be dead. That, at least, gives you a chance.
The end game is the same in my opinion. My mother knew a woman who tried to commit suicide in her teens with a pisol, she died, years later of natural causes. The Jena six kid tried to commit suicide with a pistol, and much like other facets of his life, he failed. What I'm getting at is "dead is dead" it doesn't matter what means lead to it.
 
It's much easier to close your eyes and pull a trigger..
Is that how you shoot?
Seems to me, people that do this have a lot of misses.
 
Obviously they didn't. What we don't know is how many similar kids they have deterred.

Oh yes, I'm sure gun laws have deterred many a suicidal psychopath.

"I MUST kill! I HAVE to kill! But alas, I cannot, for these gun laws have made it marginally difficult to obtain a firearm. I suppose I'll just have to forgo the homicidal rampage..."
 
Are you suggesting it is easier to struggle stabbing someone with a knife multiple times then it is to shoot someone from afar?





I am suggesting, Mr. Bronson, is that things don't happen like in the movies, Charlie....



"close your eyes and shoot someone from afar" is a rather ignorant suggestion.
 
Wait a sec, people who commit crimes, don't obey gun laws .. you have got to me making that up.
 
Actually I used to hunt quite regularly. And I can tell you in my experience I can kill something much easier with a gun then a knife.
I believe the point of contention here is your claim about 'eyes being closed'.
 
Actually I used to hunt quite regularly. And I can tell you in my experience I can kill something much easier with a gun then a knife.






Hmm, if you only had a knife and needed to hunt to eat, My guess is that it would become MUCH easier....


It is the motivation, not the tool.
 
Hmm, if you only had a knife and needed to hunt to eat, My guess is that it would become MUCH easier....


It is the motivation, not the tool.

Exactly my point. It requires much more motivation to kill with a knife then it does a gun.
 
I believe the point of contention here is your claim about 'eyes being closed'.

It was a figure of speech. I didn't mean someone who literally closes their eyes and shoots someone can kill easier then someone with a knife. The closing of the eyes was meaning more that you don't need to think of what you are doing or need as much motivation to follow through with your actions.
 
It was a figure of speech. I didn't mean someone who literally closes their eyes and shoots someone can kill easier then someone with a knife. The closing of the eyes was meaning more that you don't need to think of what you are doing or need as much motivation to follow through with your actions.
he gun allows you to be further away.
Skill and determination are required for both.
 
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