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Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

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Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany


School shooting in Germany - Murderer dead - 15 killed - Gunman shot by police after massacre - Bild.de



A school shooting bloodbath near Stuttgart in Germany has left at least 15 people dead - with the gunman dying in an exchange of fire with the police.

he was shot in the parking lot of the Wendlinger shopping centre, where he had reportedly killed two more people, bring the number of people dead up to at least 15.

First reports indicate that the victims include a nine pupils, two teachers, a gardener and two passersby.
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Wait, how could this happen. Germany has very strict gun laws..... :shock:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So then Gun laws are useless. Thank you.
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Gun laws are a deterrent. They can't stop gun crime but they can lessen it by making guns not openly available to people who aren't criminal minded enough to seek out weapons on the black market.
 
Gibberish said:
Gun laws are a deterrent. They can't stop gun crime but they can lessen it by making guns not openly available to people who aren't criminal minded enough to seek out weapons on the black market.
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They sure as hell deterred this kraut.... oh wait.
 
Gibberish said:
Gun laws are a deterrent
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Certainly are a deterrent. A deterrent against self-defense for law-abiding citizens (which I suppose you can say is their damned fault for being law abiding in the face of treason and tyranny).
 
Ikari said:
Certainly are a deterrent. A deterrent against self-defense for law-abiding citizens (which I suppose you can say is their damned fault for being law abiding in the face of treason and tyranny).
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Yes I get that argument. "If everyone had a gun he would have died sooner".

If everyone did have a gun would everyone use it responsibly or would it turn into the wild wild west? Should we allow killings in fair fights?
 
Gibberish said:
Yes I get that argument. "If everyone had a gun he would have died sooner".

If everyone did have a gun would everyone use it responsibly or would it turn into the wild wild west? Should we allow killings in fair fights?
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This is typical hoplophibic type of a response. US citizens own 192 million guns. Where is this "Wild West" you speak of?


Surely with 192 million guns, if your paranoia and fear was with merit, there would be more than these isolated incidents every few years.....
 
Gibberish said:
Gun laws are a deterrent. They can't stop gun crime but they can lessen it by making guns not openly available to people who aren't criminal minded enough to seek out weapons on the black market.
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Yeah. They sure deterred that guy in Germany!:roll:

Laws only deter people willing to obey them.

Like the poor people in Luby's Cafeteria, Kileen, Texas, that left their guns in their cars, only to be massacred by a creep that roamed the restaurant unopposed shooting and killing 21 people.

Then how about those asses that killed thousands because law abiding citizens are denied their Constitutional freedom to bear arms on airplanes. Great laws, those gun control laws. They make victims out of citizens and empower the criminals.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This is typical hoplophibic type of a response. US citizens own 192 million guns. Where is this "Wild West" you speak of?


Surely with 192 million guns, if your paranoia and fear was with merit, there would be more than these isolated incidents every few years.....
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How many of those 192 million people carry their weapons with them to school and work?
 
This whole concept of deterrents is just a political construction to force people to anticipate shady data on an idea the party deems worthy. Besides the banning of guns...the death penalty does not deter. Crime lords and drug lords face a thousand times more danger and pain from their competitors/peers than from an governmental appendage. You could publicly execute thousands of people a day, and you will still find people to execute? Why? People don't give a **** about your laws, it is a mixture of rebellion and opportunism.

However, the fact of the matter is that someone in Germany got a gun and killed people. Let us not forget that.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Yeah. They sure deterred that guy in Germany!:roll:

Laws only deter people willing to obey them.

Like the poor people in Luby's Cafeteria, Kileen, Texas, that left their guns in their cars, only to be massacred by a creep that roamed the restaurant unopposed shooting and killing 21 people.

Then how about those asses that killed thousands because law abiding citizens are denied their Constitutional freedom to bear arms on airplanes. Great laws, those gun control laws. They make victims out of citizens and empower the criminals.
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Crimes are deterred by the availability of the tool used to commit the crime. The harder it is to get the tool the more likely it will be the crime will not be committed.
 
Gibberish said:
Yes I get that argument. "If everyone had a gun he would have died sooner".

If everyone did have a gun would everyone use it responsibly or would it turn into the wild wild west? Should we allow killings in fair fights?
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Gee....in the "Wild West"....random masascres didn't happen. Children didn't dare play with guns, they're fathers would kill them. They were taught to respect the power the gun gave them.

And yes....if two adults wish to fight a duel, why not? None of my business if they want to stand at twenty paces in a controlled setting and shoot bullets at each other, or if they want to battle to the death using swordfish.

What's that? Oh, yes. Absolutely correct. It's none of your business, either.
 
Gibberish said:
How many of those 192 million people carry their weapons with them to school and work?
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More than you know.


Lets look at FL....


Florida, which has issued over 1,408,907 permits [to concealed carry] in twenty one years, has revoked only 166 for a "crime after licensure involving a firearm."



And are you conceding your Wild West hyperbole?
 
Gibberish said:
Crimes are deterred by the availability of the tool used to commit the crime. The harder it is to get the tool the more likely it will be the crime will not be committed.
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That's wrong.
Crimes are not about the tool used to do a certain task; I can put a slug in your face, or I could just smash your head in with a trash-can. Crimes are about the intent of the individuals If you really want to deter crime, then you are going to have to make THOUGHT illegal.
 
Gibberish said:
Crimes are deterred by the availability of the tool used to commit the crime. The harder it is to get the tool the more likely it will be the crime will not be committed.
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Isn't that sweet....doesn't work in the real world, but it shore sounds purdy.

Wanna know what REALLY deters gun violence by small-penis psychos?

The worry that someone else might have a bigger penis...er gun and stop them before they can finish their goal.

What's the point in planning a major macho show with you as the BIG MAN WITH THE ONLY GUN IN TOWN, if some little girl can stop you with her own gun?

Columbine could not have happened without gun control.
Luby's Cafeteria would not have happened.
V-Tech wouldn't have happened.
9-11 wouldn't have happened.

Deterrence is the ability to kill the person planning to do bad things.

Prevention, which what you're describing...doesn't work.
 
Arch Enemy said:
That's wrong.
Crimes are not about the tool used to do a certain task; I can put a slug in your face, or I could just smash your head in with a trash-can. Crimes are about the intent of the individuals If you really want to deter crime, then you are going to have to make THOUGHT illegal.
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So if this guy didn't have a gun to massacre these victims you think he would have done the same with the bat or knife?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Isn't that sweet....doesn't work in the real world, but it shore sounds purdy.

Wanna know what REALLY deters gun violence by small-penis psychos?

The worry that someone else might have a bigger penis...er gun and stop them before they can finish their goal.

What's the point in planning a major macho show with you as the BIG MAN WITH THE ONLY GUN IN TOWN, if some little girl can stop you with her own gun?
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I am actually for free gun ownership. I find the topic similar to legalizing drugs, which I am also for.

My only hesitation to free gun ownership is the increased usage of guns in conflicts that currently don't have guns present. It's funny that you use the term big and small penis because that is the exact scenario's that worry me. Some drunk guy with an ego trip pulls a gun on some other guy for talking to his girlfriend in the club.

I used to be in security for clubs/bars. Stupid drunken fights happen daily and I would hate to see guns being brought into the mix.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Columbine could not have happened without gun control.
Luby's Cafeteria would not have happened.
V-Tech wouldn't have happened.
9-11 wouldn't have happened.

Deterrence is the ability to kill the person planning to do bad things.

Prevention, which what you're describing...doesn't work.
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How exactly would 9/11 be prevent with the usage of guns? Are we going to allow people to bring guns onto planes? One shot of the gun and the entire plane losses cabin pressure and goes down. This is why flight marshals use rubber bullets isn't it?
 
Gibberish said:
So if this guy didn't have a gun to massacre these victims you think he would have done the same with the bat or knife?
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Yes I do think so. Guns are not the most effective way to kill people, fyi.
 
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