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TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran has test-fired a new air-to-surface missile, Iranian media reported on Sunday, in the Islamic Republic's latest display of its military capability.
The missile test was carried out despite the offer by the administration of new U.S. President Barack Obama to engage Iran in direct talks if it "unclenches its fist".
Iran's Fars News Agency said the domestically produced missile had a range of 110 km and was designed for use by military aircraft against naval targets.
"Now these jet fighters have acquired a new capability in confronting threats," the semi-official news agency said. Iran's Press TV initially said a long-range missile had been tested, but later also used Fars' way of describing it.
So what is Obama going to do about this?
 
Just send Hillary over with a 'reset' button. Maybe get the translation right this time?


In reality he isn't going to do anything. All he is doing is saving face until Israel reaches its breaking point and launches a preemptive strike. I imagine calls for talks and perhaps sanctions, which are ineffective and certaintly not a deterrent. I guess it all boils down to how much the Russian's really don't want a missle defense sheild in their backyard. Leaving the cornerstone of your foreign policy towards a hostile Islamic country about to acquire nukes in the hands of the Russians...scary stuff
 
Both Israel or the U.S. could take out the entire Iranian airforce in 24 hours if it was required. This missile is only going to be of any use if Iran fights someone with less air superiority. This development changes nothing as far as the U.S. is concerned.
 
So what is Obama going to do about this?

Nothing?

You do realize this ATS weapon is really just a modification of older Chinese weapons no?

Furthermore, it doesn't appear to be a material improvement over the sunburn anti-shipping missiles that Iran has had for decades. If Iran developed a home grown Granit type missile, that would be an entirely different ball game. But this ain't the case. Furthermore, Iran's merely using it as posturing as to why they can shutdown the strait of Hormuz. Frankly speaking, they don't need missiles. They need two of their largest barges with some charges attached to the hull and then merely to scuttle them in the narrowest part. That's pretty low tech method of screwing the world over. Hell they could even do it with a few submarines if it came down to it. It doesn't take a new fangled missile to stop the flow of oil from the Gulf. A few old rusty tankers scuttled in the middle could do the job.
 
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So what is Obama going to do about this?

Probably not much. Does anybody remember how Bush responded during Photoshop Wars? I'd look to that if you want to know the specifics, but I'm guessing the Whitehouse will release a statement condemning the act and reiterating our position on Iran
 
Probably not much. Does anybody remember how Bush responded during Photoshop Wars? I'd look to that if you want to know the specifics, but I'm guessing the Whitehouse will release a statement condemning the act and reiterating our position on Iran

"Iran needs to stop escalating with weapons tests. We as the United States hope for a peaceful resolution to the current crisis and extend our hands to the Iranian government to achieve diplomatic solutions. Now, what's for lunch?"
 
Hopefully nothing. What exactly do you WANT him to do about this?

Well he's hoping that Obama will do what Bush didn't. Attack Iran. I mean obviously if Bush didn't do it then Obama should because preemptive strikes has been the position supported by liberals since the Iraq war. Oh wait...
 
Well he's hoping that Obama will do what Bush didn't. Attack Iran. I mean obviously if Bush didn't do it then Obama should because preemptive strikes has been the position supported by liberals since the Iraq war. Oh wait...
You don't know what I want him to do. I just want to know what his policy is in dealing with this kind of test. These countries, Iran, Russia and North Korea are testing Obama.
 
Just a missile? Wow, you almost had me scared for a moment.
 
Iran's Fars News Agency said the domestically produced missile had a range of 110 km and was designed for use by military aircraft against naval targets.
This means they have almost the same capability (in terms of reach) as our Harpoon missiles.
:roll:

The US navy is designed to protect itself from stuff like this.
 
So what is Obama going to do about this?

Obama will do nothing more than the feckless and useless UN; this time they REALLY, REALLY, REALLY mean it.

Someday, I hope I am wrong; we may wake up to find out that Iran really did do what they said they would do and nuked Israeli cities. The headline will be something along the line of; "Iran claims that continued attacks on Hezbollah and Palestinians could no longer be tolerated so Iran declares war on the State of Israel."

Then the hand wringing Liberals and Democrats will run about much like they did in the aftermath of 9-11 wondering how the Iranians could do such a thing and whatever where they thinking; after all our dialogue and attempts to sit down at the table and treat them as equals.

But not to worry, we won’t be able to respond because the Democrats led by Obama will have gutted our military in an effort to pay the trillions in social welfare spending they passed. This will save American lives. We will let the IN deal with it in the same strong even handed way the UN deals with everything. :roll:
 
Obama will do nothing more than the feckless and useless UN; this time they REALLY, REALLY, REALLY mean it.

Someday, I hope I am wrong; we may wake up to find out that Iran really did do what they said they would do and nuked Israeli cities. The headline will be something along the line of; "Iran claims that continued attacks on Hezbollah and Palestinians could no longer be tolerated so Iran declares war on the State of Israel."

Then the hand wringing Liberals and Democrats will run about much like they did in the aftermath of 9-11 wondering how the Iranians could do such a thing and whatever where they thinking; after all our dialogue and attempts to sit down at the table and treat them as equals.

But not to worry, we won’t be able to respond because the Democrats led by Obama will have gutted our military in an effort to pay the trillions in social welfare spending they passed. This will save American lives. We will let the IN deal with it in the same strong even handed way the UN deals with everything. :roll:

Since American refused to answer my question, perhaps you can take a crack at it: What exactly do you WANT Obama to do about this?
 
You don't know what I want him to do. I just want to know what his policy is in dealing with this kind of test. These countries, Iran, Russia and North Korea are testing Obama.

You're right, they are testing him. Which is exactly why Obama should ignore minor provocations like this one.
 
Since American refused to answer my question, perhaps you can take a crack at it: What exactly do you WANT Obama to do about this?

Obama should take strong action by increasing the sanctions existing on Iraq and forcing a debate on the floor of the UN to determine stronger sanctions and get support for them.

But alas, this will not happen because we are going to hand international negotiations and enforcement over to the UN. Obama is going to fund his Socialist policies by dismantling our military much like Europe has.

I am looking forward to this new International respect we will be getting and peaceful overtures from our previous adversaries as they respond to Obama's more intellectual and gentler approach. I am feeling safer already. :roll:
 
Obama should take strong action by increasing the sanctions existing on Iraq

You mean Iran? We already got that wrong once, I'd hate to see it happen again. :2wave:

What sanctions, specifically, do you want to impose on Iran that we don't already have in place? What conditions, specifically, do you want Iran to meet before returning to the pre-missile test sanctions? And what goal, specifically, do you have in mind for these new sanctions?

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and forcing a debate on the floor of the UN to determine stronger sanctions and get support for them.

So right after you just got done ridiculing Obama for being beholden to the UN, you come out with exactly the same prescription for success. Brilliant, just brilliant. :roll:

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But alas, this will not happen because we are going to hand international negotiations and enforcement over to the UN. Obama is going to fund his Socialist policies by dismantling our military much like Europe has.

It sounds to me like your solution is exactly the same as what you imagine Obama's solution is. It's a wonder that you don't like Obama more than you do.

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I am looking forward to this new International respect we will be getting and peaceful overtures from our previous adversaries as they respond to Obama's more intellectual and gentler approach. I am feeling safer already. :roll:

I noticed that you didn't offer a solution. Other than "let the UN deal with it."
 
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You mean Iran? We already got that wrong once, I'd hate to see it happen again. :2wave:

Yes, I did mean Iran.

What sanctions, specifically, do you want to impose on Iran that we don't already have in place?

Why does it mean so much to you to find out what I think, I am not the President.

Iran can easily be squeezed and forced into compliance if our allies and the world were to cease food and gas imports. It's as simple as that. Iran is unable to feed its population without vast food imports and doesn’t have the capability of refining its own oil into gasoline.

Unfortunately, no one wants to risk cutting their precious oil supplies.

What conditions, specifically, do you want Iran to meet before returning to the pre-missile test sanctions?

Iran has to immediately cease production and development of uranium enrichment.

And what goal, specifically, do you have in mind for these new sanctions?

The goal is obvious, unless you willfully wallow in denial. The goal is quite simple; to end Iran’s development of new missile technology and uranium enrichment.

Iran was the one who signed onto the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Iran is the one violating that agreement. Do you think that agreements should mean nothing and have no enforcement value like that of Iraq?

If you think this, then why should anyone believe anything that is signed to a piece of paper? Why have treaties and agreements if there will be little or no enforcement of them and they become as worthless as the paper they are drafted upon?

So right after you just got done ridiculing Obama for being beholden to the UN, you come out with exactly the same prescription for success. Brilliant, just brilliant. :roll:

I see you have difficulty recognizing leadership, and handing over our responsibilities to the UN.

My prescription wasn't exactly the same as Obamas. Do you even know what Obama's prescription is? If so do share.

It sounds to me like your solution is exactly the same as what you imagine Obama's solution is. It's a wonder that you don't like Obama more than you do.

Fascinating denial; what part of Obama's plan do you know about that I don't? Last time I looked, he hasn't even begun to deal with the issue nor does he care whether or not Iran develops a nuclear weapon. If he did, we would be hearing strong rhetoric regarding the fact that Iran continues to defy the world.

I noticed that you didn't offer a solution. Other than "let the UN deal with it."

If that is how you read my remarks, I would suggest that you read them with your own bias attached to them. But alas, you are only attempting to be obtuse and ignore the fact that neither the Obama administration, nor the UN are taking the issue serious and the rest of the world sits on their hands happy to be getting their oil and choosing to do nothing to keep their oil flowing.

Fascinating that your remarks suggest doing NOTHING IS a solution to the problem. Is there a point to all your pointless ramblings?
 
This means they have almost the same capability (in terms of reach) as our Harpoon missiles.
:roll:

The US navy is designed to protect itself from stuff like this.

Which they've had for decades....

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This missile may actually be inferior to the Sunburn.

ooh wow! Iran has a homegrown missile that is inferior to the Russian designed Sunburn anti shipping missiles they've had for years!

Really. Basic technical knowledge allows for objective understanding of the situation.
 
Just a missile? Wow, you almost had me scared for a moment.

No, not just a missile. An inferior missile to the anti-ship missile they've had for decades.

It may be even more inferior to the Silkworm Anti-Ship missile. A missile that dates back to before the Iraq-Iran war.

Silkworm missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's amazing what some partisans will jump on.
 
I missed the link on this new Iranian missile, where did you place that?

In the link. The range is actually inferior to some of the Silkworm models that Iran is believed to be capable of building as well as the Sunburn anti-ship missile. Some models of the Silkworms and Sunburn have ranges over 110km. Even if it's a sea skimmer, which would be an improvement over the Silkworm, it would still be inferior to the Sunburn. Remember that the Sunburn is considered to be one of the best anti-ship missiles in existence. And Iran has been rumored to have access to them for decades.

But given the dimensions of the area in conflict, you really don't need a long range weapon. Like I posted earlier, if Iran wanted to close the straight of Hormuz, some TNT and a few rusty tankers would be easily sufficient. Heck, a diving squad with underwater drills could do it. Forget the explosives.
 
I see, so they are stupid for developing this, which they should have known themselves.
 
I see, so they are stupid for developing this, which they should have known themselves.

Not really, any improved, close range missile would be a good thing for them. But it may not be the "DOOMSDAY" weapon that many conservatives want to exploit as the next reason to invade another country like they did with Iraq.
 
Just a missile? Wow, you almost had me scared for a moment.

It proves Iran has a viable delivery system for nuclear ordinance.

Iran needs to be disarmed immediately.
 
Not really, any improved, close range missile would be a good thing for them. But it may not be the "DOOMSDAY" weapon that many conservatives want to exploit as the next reason to invade another country like they did with Iraq.

Clearly, you know nothing about military hardware.

It's a delivery vehicle. This is something Iran doesn't need access to.
 
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