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Senate Republicans force delay on spending bill

Funny when Dems did this conservatives call them Obstructionists, but when Republicans do it, conservatives cheer.

My how the hypocrisy flows.

It takes a fascinating level of denial and ignorance of the record to make such absurd comments.

The Democrats never "obstructed" any legislation in the Bush administration; they voted in large numbers for just about every bill; it was true Bi-Partisanship.

The obstructionism came AFTER they voted FOR the War in Iraq and then were AGAINST the war as they attempted to impugn this administrations conduct of the war and brand it incompetent. They went so far as to declare Iraq a failure and even the surge strategy as having failed. How did that work out for the Democrats by the way?

I guess when you are clueless about actual events or wallow in willful denial those FACTS continue to elude you.

There's no hypocrisy in the minority party being against legislation AS proposed by the majority party when their ideas are shut out; we call this Democracy.

But what is even more fascinating is the level of whining we see from the Liberals these days when in all honesty, their pals the Democrats can pass all the legislation they want with ZERO Republican votes as witnessed in the recent bill passed.

So tell us Liberals, what's with all the whining? You won your huge majorities and when the chips are down and Obama's plans put the economy further into the crapper, you can all OWN it as well; or will you find a way to pin THAT on Bush as well? :roll:

Carry on. :cool:
 
But what is even more fascinating is the level of whining we see from the Liberals these days when in all honesty, their pals the Democrats can pass all the legislation they want with ZERO Republican votes as witnessed in the recent bill passed.

No whining here, unlike some ***** conservatives that labeled Dems obstructionists, I welcome the challenge from Republicans.

The whining came from those Republicans and conservatives that labeled any Dem who didn't agree with Bush's war or tactics as traitors, terrorist supporters, or un-patriotic. Those that labeled Dems this were the whiners.
 
No whining here, unlike some ***** conservatives that labeled Dems obstructionists, I welcome the challenge from Republicans.

The whining came from those Republicans and conservatives that labeled any Dem who didn't agree with Bush's war or tactics as traitors, terrorist supporters, or un-patriotic. Those that labeled Dems this were the whiners.

I see you are still having great difficulty distinguishing impugning the troops and their mission when we are fighting wars and pork laden Government spending.

Carry on; your incessant whining has been noted. How fabulous when the shoe is now on the other foot; we call this hypocrisy. What that means is people who thought it was fine to impugn George Bush's management of the war now suddenly claim it is mean spirited when it is done to their guy.

So if Obama doesn't find Osama Bin Laden; will that mean he is an abject failure on the war on terror? You just cannot fabricate the level of denial it takes to be a Liberal or Democrat these days.
 
Carry on; your incessant whining has been noted.

Please post what my whining is? Disagreeing with you?

Yes, we know anyone who disagrees with you is a whiner right? Carry on and will await your proof.

How fabulous when the shoe is now on the other foot; we call this hypocrisy.

To prove hypocrisy, you would first have to prove me against Republicans doing this and agreeing with Dems doing this. will be waiting on this one as well, but won't be holding my breath.

So if Obama doesn't find Osama Bin Laden; will that mean he is an abject failure on the war on terror? You just cannot fabricate the level of denial it takes to be a Liberal or Democrat these days.

Actually Bush was a failure on the war on terror, because he didn't put full forces in Afghanistan and instead went to Iraq.

Tell you what, if Obama decides to invade Mexico instead of Afghanistan I will fault him there as well. Happy?

Carry on your frothing at the mouth over Obama like a good little Conservative :2wave:
 
Please post what my whining is? Disagreeing with you?

Yes, we know anyone who disagrees with you is a whiner right? Carry on and will await your proof.

To prove hypocrisy, you would first have to prove me against Republicans doing this and agreeing with Dems doing this. will be waiting on this one as well, but won't be holding my breath.

Actually Bush was a failure on the war on terror, because he didn't put full forces in Afghanistan and instead went to Iraq.

Tell you what, if Obama decides to invade Mexico instead of Afghanistan I will fault him there as well. Happy?

Carry on your frothing at the mouth over Obama like a good little Conservative :2wave:

How trite and predictable.
 
I see some of you on here think this is a stand being made by Republicans to strop wasteful spending. Don't be so gullible. These are politicians we are talking about and this isn't about good government, this is about posturing and most importantly about getting more Republican amendments on the bill. If the Dems actually concede and allow the Republicans their amendments, this bill fly to White House like a rocket...pork and all. And both sides will be smiling when we aren't looking.

Congress passes stopgap bill to avoid shutdown.

Several Republicans who support the bill withheld their support of the procedural vote to force Reid to let other Republicans offer amendments, including ones to extend a local school voucher program in Washington, D.C., and to require lawmakers to approve their pay hikes instead of getting automatic cost-of-living raises every year.

Spending Bill Stalls in Senate, 1 Vote Shy of Breaking Filibuster.
In the Senate, five of the top 10 earmarkers were Republicans, including the overall leader, Sen. Thad Cochran (Miss.), the ranking GOP member of the Appropriations Committee.

Profanity flies in heated Dem session.

In fact, a solid bloc of Republicans—including some in the party leadership—are prepared to help pass the bill but remain shy of voting with Democrats until their colleagues have had a chance to offer more amendments.
 
Jesus, can we leave the "Dems impugned the troops" bull**** out of this spending bill debate? **** me.
 
I see some of you on here think this is a stand being made by Republicans to strop wasteful spending. Don't be so gullible. These are politicians we are talking about and this isn't about good government, this is about posturing and most importantly about getting more Republican amendments on the bill. If the Dems actually concede and allow the Republicans their amendments, this bill fly to White House like a rocket...pork and all. And both sides will be smiling when we aren't looking.

Obama said "no pork, no earmarks, no lobbyists & transparency".

So such Pork laden bills should be DOA when they reach Mr. Teleprompter's desk...

...But we now know he is an expert prevaricator.
It's in his DNA, his training as an American Socialist.
Words are tools. They mean nothing... it's how they sound at the moment that matters.

Everything has en expiry date with Mr. Teleprompter... it seems the shelf life of his comments is about 10 seconds after the verbal diarrhea has flown from his orifice.

So far he's said:
1. Make Government Open and Transparent
2. Make it “Impossible” for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects
3. Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public
4. No more secrecy
5. Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill
7. We will put every pork barrel project online
8. Most ethical administration.

Whoops... "words... just words."

Omnibus Spending Bill: Huge Spending and 9,000 Earmarks Represent Business as Usual
9,287 Earmarks

Although Democrats strongly criticized the proliferation of earmarks under Republican rule, they have made no serious efforts to pare them back. The omnibus bill spends $12.8 billion on 9,287 earmarks.[5] When combined with the early 2009 spending bills ($16.1 billion spent on 2,627 earmarks[6]), the 2009 total comes to 11,914 earmarks at a cost of $28.9 billion. This represents the second most earmarks—and the second highest cost—in American history.

Pretty good President Pork.
 
Jesus, can we leave the "Dems impugned the troops" bull**** out of this spending bill debate? **** me.




/sniff sniff

why truth hurts? they authorized the war, then voted not to fund it. some called them murderers, rapists, and nazis....


those of us who served, remember things like that.
 
/sniff sniff

why truth hurts? they authorized the war, then voted not to fund it. some called them murderers, rapists, and nazis....


those of us who served, remember things like that.

Hats off to all that served.
Thank you can never be said enough.
You folks are the best.

The worst is why they voted to send troops to battle.

They used their votes as 30-years of CYA on defense issues.
Then they returned to their core values when the troops needed them to stand up for them most.
To stand strong.
To fight FOR them.
To believe we have great men and women over there for us, great Generals that were trying to figure out how to do battle with cowards.

"We lost".
"Nazi's"
"Terrorizing"
"Suspend disbelief".

From two presidential candidates, the Senate Majority Leader, and another party leader.

Yeah... it must be a bitch having to live with being a defender of anti-American behavior and unAmerican representatives.
 
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Obama said "no pork, no earmarks, no lobbyists & transparency".

So such Pork laden bills should be DOA when they reach Mr. Teleprompter's desk...

...But we now know he is an expert prevaricator.
It's in his DNA, his training as an American Socialist.
Words are tools. They mean nothing... it's how they sound at the moment that matters.

Everything has en expiry date with Mr. Teleprompter... it seems the shelf life of his comments is about 10 seconds after the verbal diarrhea has flown from his orifice.

So far he's said:
1. Make Government Open and Transparent
2. Make it “Impossible” for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects
3. Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public
4. No more secrecy
5. Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill
7. We will put every pork barrel project online
8. Most ethical administration.

Whoops... "words... just words."

Omnibus Spending Bill: Huge Spending and 9,000 Earmarks Represent Business as Usual


Pretty good President Pork.

Okay, and many of our Republican political leaders are right there with him with their pet projects. Which was my point. You painted this as the Republicans standing up to the out of control spending, I simply pointed out that as a "politics as usual", many Republicans are standing shoulder to shoulder with the Democrats on this massively out of control bill. They lack ONE Republican vote to make this happen. And that vote can be bought for about a dozen amendments or less.

Yeah, Republicans are standing up to Obama's wasteful spending alright.
 
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/sniff sniff

why truth hurts? they authorized the war, then voted not to fund it. some called them murderers, rapists, and nazis....


those of us who served, remember things like that.

It's called partisan derailment of yet another thread up here. Thank you for efforts to this end.

How about focusing on the topic of the thread instead of playing along with crapping it up.

Hey, I made a contrasting post regarding the OP. Why don't you go after that?
 
It's called partisan derailment of yet another thread up here. Thank you for efforts to this end.

How about focusing on the topic of the thread instead of playing along with crapping it up.

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I'd hate for you to look hypocritical. /sarcasm

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-can-sue-prison-guards-25.html#post1057949576


Hey, I made a contrasting post regarding the OP. Why don't you go after that?



I summed up my position quite well thank you, but you can keep complaining to avoid the obvious here...... :2wave:
 
Reverend Hellhound said:
I'd hate for you to look hypocritical. /sarcasm

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-can-sue-prison-guards-25.html#post1057949576

I summed up my position quite well thank you, but you can keep complaining to avoid the obvious here...... :2wave:


I didn't derail anything in that thread and I haven't avoided the obvious here...I've confronted it. You made an absurd assertion in the "prison rape" thread and I challenged it, as I do many of your posts. It was on topic. You simply made an off topic barb in this thread.

So I take it you won't be discussing the OP any further, rather you'll be contented to continue derailment.

Fair enough.
 
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Lerxst said:
Jesus, can we leave the "Dems impugned the troops" bull**** out of this spending bill debate? **** me.



Uhm who derailed the debate. I simply responded to you.... FAIL
 
Actually the delay was bipartisan. It's nice to see people coming to their senses when it comes to rejecting shrimp research in Arizona.

Parents & kids are wondering where Obama is on the school vouchers for poor kids in DC.

Here's an opportunity to make a difference in the education system, and he's not making a peep.

I know where he's at, he's in the pocket of the teachers union. They're opposed to the voucher program. Vouchers cost half as much as public school and achieve better results.

Good 'ol Dick Durbin slipped a provision in the bill to kill the voucher program.

When the liberals talk about more money for education, what they really mean, is more money for the teachers union to keep that voting block happy.
 
My point was this.......maybe the poster just assumes that one already knows what the definition of socialism is and that the person asking for a definition is just being argumentative and obtuse.

Just a thought..........

:cool:
Hatuey know this, he just wants to gum up the thread. A childish tactic to say the least. Grow up Hatuey, we all know what it is, it's even on Wikipedia. Blah blah blah, define liberalism.

Let me help you again. Liberalism = socialism lite
 
I believe Evan Bayh may change his vote, and I think they might even bring Sen. Kennedy in if need be to get the 60. We may see movement today.
 
And you can't find one instance in which it worked. Checkmate.
Microsoft's ESOP. The janitors, administrative staff and line workers became multi-millionaires thanks to their participation in the Employee Stock Ownership Plan. Sort of the essence of the workers owning the means of production.
 
Actually the delay was bipartisan. It's nice to see people coming to their senses when it comes to rejecting shrimp research in Arizona.

Parents & kids are wondering where Obama is on the school vouchers for poor kids in DC.

Here's an opportunity to make a difference in the education system, and he's not making a peep.

I know where he's at, he's in the pocket of the teachers union. They're opposed to the voucher program. Vouchers cost half as much as public school and achieve better results.

Good 'ol Dick Durbin slipped a provision in the bill to kill the voucher program.

When the liberals talk about more money for education, what they really mean, is more money for the teachers union to keep that voting block happy.
Vouchers are another way to undermine our public education system. The problem is that low income kids are generally years behind their peers in education. No amount of school choice will fix that. Vouchers achieve better results b/c private schools can kick out any student it wants...especially those bringing down the aggregate performance ratings. So please stop with the nonsense about the miracles of vouchers b/c it just ain't happening.
 
Okay, and many of our Republican political leaders are right there with him with their pet projects. Which was my point. You painted this as the Republicans standing up to the out of control spending, I simply pointed out that as a "politics as usual", many Republicans are standing shoulder to shoulder with the Democrats on this massively out of control bill. They lack ONE Republican vote to make this happen. And that vote can be bought for about a dozen amendments or less.

Yeah, Republicans are standing up to Obama's wasteful spending alright.

I find this argument amusing and trite as well; that because Republicans are doing it, this excuses the behavior.

I watched this trite commentary on MSNBC the other day that claimed that 40% of the earmarks were Republican districts as if this somehow excuses the behavior.

Yes, Republicans who add their earmarks are hypocrites, but what about the "candidate" that claimed this practice would cease when he became President?

This is not a debate about Republican hypocrisy as much as Liberals want to divert the debate to it; this is about irresponsible Democrats who control the voting, control the legislative process and control the White House who continue to abuse the legislative process by inserting pet projects into bills without debate.

I am hardly surprised to see you and other Liberals attempt to divert the debate back onto Republicans who currently cannot stop any legislation and are in the extreme minority and whine about their intransigence and refusal to go along and play the same old game.

Fascinating that during Bush's Presidency Liberals whined about how the Republicans rubber stamped his agenda, along with a substantial amount of votes from democrats, but now thinks all legislation should be "rubber" stamped using the trite and overused partisan rhetoric that it is necessary to save the economy.

Of course factual evidence of this is non-existent; but since when have the facts or reality ever impacted Liberal talking points and fear mongering?
 
Microsoft's ESOP. The janitors, administrative staff and line workers became multi-millionaires thanks to their participation in the Employee Stock Ownership Plan. Sort of the essence of the workers owning the means of production.

Good lord, you cannot possibly be serious? :rofl
 
Vouchers are another way to undermine our public education system. The problem is that low income kids are generally years behind their peers in education. No amount of school choice will fix that.

What a stunning commentary. The reason low income kids are years behind their peers is because the Public school system has FAILED to educate them and in order to make their jobs easier continue to pass students who cannot read past the third grade level.

Choice actually works. The argument that choice doesn't work or change things can only be expressed by someone who is lacking historic facts. The people clamoring for the voucher system the MOST happens to be the parents of the children you want to give NO choices to and support a public system that has predictably failed them.

Vouchers achieve better results b/c private schools can kick out any student it wants...especially those bringing down the aggregate performance ratings. So please stop with the nonsense about the miracles of vouchers b/c it just ain't happening.

Vouchers achieve better results because the parents who want their children to learn ensure that their kids are enrolled in programs that will actually educate them.

Your argument suggests that forcing ALL children to fail is a better option than giving parents a CHOICE as to where their children go to school and where to spend their tax dollars.

It is an elitist notion that suggests that the ONLY people who should have choice are the rich, and all those poor inner city citizens have to suck it up and deal with a system that is failing miserably.

Good lord, who can make such absurd arguments. :roll:

"b/c private schools can kick out any student it wants"

Although this is a patently false assertion; perhaps if public schools had this option, they too could force the parents and their children to take education more seriously? Unfortunately, and thanks to Liberal policies, the parents force the schools to baby sit their children so that the parents can go about their business. School should not be a babysitter; it should be an institution of learning. If our children choose not to learn and disrupt classrooms and students who want to, they should be removed.

Do you have kids? Are they in the public school system? Have you recently visited your school to see how it is running and what is occurring in our classrooms? If not, perhaps you just need to STFU? :cool:
 
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