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White House fires back at Rush Limbaugh

His agenda is hardly controversial given his approval ratings and the approval ratings for much of his agenda.

Argumentum ad populum. Dismissed.

Moreover, we had a debate on which direction the American people wanted the country to go, it was the election last year. Both sides spent 2 years making their case to the American people and the American people chose Obama overwhelmingly.

Not relevant to the debate over the stimulus package. Whether you like it or not, there are still two parties in the congress and many Americans don't like having their candidates silenced and pressed out of discussion about how hundreds of billions is going to be spent.

Personally, I care far more about results than ideology. I don't agree with all Obama's economic agenda and have stated as much in other threads, but in the end, considering the crisis we find ourselves in, and for that matter the economic crisis the rest of the world is in, I would rather his economic policies succeed than to be right about where I disagree with them on.

I think the vast majority of Americans feel the same way.

Argumentum ad populum. Dismissed.
 
If you went over every McCain plan with a fine toothed comb you couldn't come anywhere near the near criminally irresponsible spending Obama is doing.

I'd love to see what you think his program included however.



He lost me when he tried to out Marx Obama by suggesting we would buy up all the toxic mortgages.
 
He lost me when he tried to out Marx Obama by suggesting we would buy up all the toxic mortgages.

It may turn out that buying the toxic assets would be the cheapest way to go in the long run.

EDIT: If only there was a way to arrive at an equitable valuation of those mortgages.
 
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I want Obama's America to fail. Statism and socialism is not the America I want to live in.



Tell me did you want Bush to succeeds?

Yes or no.

Funny, I've been hearing from many in the mainstream left that they'd like to see Bush, Cheney, and many in his administration impeached, tried, and imprisoned over the past few years.

I guess that's a little different from 'wanting Bush to fail.'

I guess he could have been hugely more successful from behind bars!

:rofl
 
Moreover, we had a debate on which direction the American people wanted the country to go, it was the election last year. Both sides spent 2 years making their case to the American people and the American people chose Obama overwhelmingly.

This is patently false; had the American people been told that this Administration would implement Universal healthcare this year, had they been told that this administration would pass $2.5 trillion in spending without a corresponding tax increase to pay for it, it is highly unlikely that an INFORMED public would have been in agreement with this agenda.

What I saw, and am now seeing among his most adamant supporters is shock in that they thought he would lead from the center and be moderate. What we are seeing is the Obama that the Republicans attempted to define but were slapped down by a media infatuated with the destruction of Sarah Pahlin.

It is false to suggest that Americans, if informed, want more Government and higher taxes so that they can become dependent wards of the state which will bring us mediocrity and fewer choices.

Obama got where he is by demagogueing Capitalism and impugning the people who actually invest in the productivity of this nation. His populist message is welcomed by the ignorant masses, but those who are informed cringe and now watch as the markets react to his program by running for cover.

When will you think Obama’s plan has served to destroy our economy; when the market hits 3,000 and businesses close up because they cannot afford the corporate taxes, carbon taxes and union wage rates that will be forced down their throats? But alas, by that time it will be too late to go back.

You cannot tax and spend your way to prosperity; the nations who have attempted this are the remnants of South America and on the African continent. Your suggestion that we should welcome the very policies that have ruined the former Rhodesia and turn it into Zimbabwe is beyond absurd.
 
Look at this...

Why is the President of the United States even giving a talk show host the time of day?

Shouldn't he be more concerned with Russia and there laughing at him and stating they would not negotiate on Iran even though we will withdraw our missiles?

This coordinated attack on an entertainer is rather funny.


Do you think the Obama camp is making the right choice here? Propelling the 20 million listeners a week talk show host to political foe legitimacy?

When I saw Rahm Emmanuel saying that Limbaugh was the head of the GOP, I thought, "You're kidding me, right?" My point being, why aren't they above this kind of crap? What could they be thinking? :confused:

Excuse me while I e-mail Barack. ;) (I'm making a joke, but I am truly bewhildered by the attention the Obama people are giving to Limbaugh.)

By the way, I didn't know that Gibbs held a stupid press conference...over this. Puleeze.
 
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It may turn out that buying the toxic assets would be the cheapest way to go in the long run.

EDIT: If only there was a way to arrive at an equitable valuation of those mortgages.

I am amused by these new terms being coined in an effort to pretend this kind of recession has never occurred in the past.

Toxic assets? Were they tainted with anthrax?

Stimulus plan? Is this where government screws the American people?

Government investment? A new term for tax and spend?

The Government cannot invest in anything; it TAKES from those who do invest and spends on constituents who will VOTE for them. In other words, it just TAKES from one sector and GIVES to another.

Government cannot remove "toxic assets." It can only buy them out with the tax money it confiscates from the companies and people it is buying them from. Nothing has been removed, the burden has been shifted and in the end, the people getting the "stimulus" up their butts will in the end (excuse the pun) be the American people.

When the Obama administration says it is removing those tax loopholes from corporations, think in terms of this; he is going to make us all pay for the increased cost. When Obama says he is going to raise their taxes, think in these terms; he will be raising OUR costs. When Obama talks about Carbon taxes, think in these terms; a tax increase on ALL of us.

When you increase the costs of doing business, business doesn't pay for it; WE DO.

It gives many a warm feeling to think that the FAT cats are going to get theirs, but the sad truth is that the only ones who will be “getting” it are the American people who will carry the burden of these increased taxes and costs of doing business; the very people Obama claims to champion.

Corporations are not entities that PAY taxes; they are tax collectors for the Government and ALL of their costs are passed to the consumer. Those companies that don’t, will not be around long and be filing for bankruptcy; see GM for exhibit number one.
 
Here's an interesting point: we see a lot of attacks on Rush, but notice we never see those who impugn the man argue his points or facts. ;)
 
When I saw Rahm Emmanuel saying that Limbaugh was the head of the GOP, I thought, "You're kidding me, right?" My point being, why aren't they above this kind of crap? What could they be thinking? :confused:

Excuse me while I e-mail Barack. ;) (I'm making a joke, but I am truly bewhildered by the attention the Obama people are giving to Limbaugh.)

By the way, I didn't know that Gibbs held a stupid press conference...over this. Puleeze.

I'll paraphrase, Rush says the Republicans are focusing on policies while no one else is discussing the philosophy and values of Conservatism but he.

It's important that someone is saying what Rush is saying.

Why else is the White House attacking him?

Why aren't they ignoring him?

If he was inconsequential they wouldn't waste their time.

No one is pointing out that the economy is tanking due to Obama's big government, big spending, power mongering agenda.
 
Argumentum ad populum. Dismissed.



Not relevant to the debate over the stimulus package. Whether you like it or not, there are still two parties in the congress and many Americans don't like having their candidates silenced and pressed out of discussion about how hundreds of billions is going to be spent.



Argumentum ad populum. Dismissed.

This is a Republic. When we are discussing whether something is controversial or not, or whether its supported or not, the majorities opinion on the issue is really the only thing that is relevant.

Obama won by a strong majority. The Democrats had huge gains in congress. Obama is a very popular president so far, his agenda is popular so far, and by a large margin when polled the electorate wants Republicans to work with Democrats, and a solid majority of Americans when polled believe the Republicans are acting as obstructionists for political reasons.

Thus, it is the Republican agenda right now that is very controversial and lacking support among the majority of voters.
 
This is patently false; had the American people been told that this Administration would implement Universal healthcare this year, had they been told that this administration would pass $2.5 trillion in spending without a corresponding tax increase to pay for it, it is highly unlikely that an INFORMED public would have been in agreement with this agenda.

Hogwash. Face it, the majority of Americans see you and your ideas as extremist. Obama ran ads on Universal Healthcare. He laid it out in the debates as one of his top priorities. He has done little so far that he did not campaign on.
 
Hogwash. Face it, the majority of Americans see you and your ideas as extremist. Obama ran ads on Universal Healthcare. He laid it out in the debates as one of his top priorities. He has done little so far that he did not campaign on.

Psssst it is all supposed happen the second he took the oath....j.k
 
Psssst it is all supposed happen the second he took the oath....j.k

They are just a bunch of sore losers that are under some delusion that their echo chamber actually encompasses more than the far right. Obama has the majority of Americans behind him. If right doesn't like that then they need to actually come up with some solutions of their own instead of spouting the same tired ideas they have been spouting for 30 years now.
 
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Thus, it is the Republican agenda right now that is very controversial and lacking support among the majority of voters.

I am sure that will all change when we are so indebted to China we can't get out and little Obamaville shack cities spring up around the country.
 
They are just a bunch of sore losers that are under some delusion that their echo chamber actually encompasses more than the far right.

And you are a prime example of a graceless winner who is under the delusion that your fearless leader will maintain the support he has now through his entire term.
 
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