Reality check for Vice President Joe Biden

Houdini of the yap strikes again.
The truth disappears again.

KSLA News 12 Shreveport, Louisiana |Reality check for Vice President Joe Biden

And That rhetorical question to Governor Jindal on the Early Show, was followed with this. "in Louisiana there's 400 people a day losing their jobs, what's he doing?" asks Biden.

But that claim is wrong, if you look at the numbers from the Louisiana Workforce Commission. "In December, Louisiana was the only state in the nation besides the District of Columbia, according to the national press release that added employment over the month," ...not only is Louisiana not losing jobs. "The state gained 3,700 jobs for the seasonally adjusted employment," Granier said of the most recent figures.

Click to expand...

What a moron! This guy makes Bush look like a genius. You can't just make this stuff up folks, you just can't! I wonder if he has his own website? Anyone have the number?

If the state is gaining jobs (for seasonally adjusted employment), it doesn't mean that 400 people haven't just lost theirs. both could be true.

zimmer, you haven't yet refuted Biden.

niftydrifty said:

If the state is gaining jobs (for seasonally adjusted employment), it doesn't mean that 400 people haven't just lost theirs. both could be true.

zimmer, you haven't yet refuted Biden.

Click to expand...

LOL...

Then the state's solution is obvious and working.
They are creating more jobs than lost daily.


NEWS UPDATE
Biden seen wiping egg off face after speech.
Concedes he has no idea what he is talking about.

I guess that Governor Jindal forgot to read the Democrats' talking points that life is bad all over due to Bush's previous 8 years. No doubt that Bush could have done much better, however, I think that the messiah/biden team will eventually bring back fond memories of those great Bush years!

From the comments below the article:

I'm sure it's obvious even to the nitwits in the White House that Biden needs to be gagged. Every time you see him get quoted on a public statement, he's got his foot in his mouth. Dan Quale hasn't got anything on this putz. At-a-boy Joe!

Click to expand...

While Joe Biden can say stupid things, I just don't see this one as being a huge deal. When 49/50 states are losing jobs (that's 98%), why would it not be reasonable for him to assume that Lousiana was undergoing the same thing?

Nevertheless, nifty's right. I don't see how gaining jobs in a state means that NO ONE is losing their job.

zimmer said:

LOL...

Then the state's solution is obvious and working.
They are creating more jobs than lost daily.


NEWS UPDATE
Biden seen wiping egg off face after speech.
Concedes he has no idea what he is talking about.

Click to expand...

from your link:

The unemployment rate in Louisiana has gone up, from 5.3 to 5.9.

Click to expand...

if you lose your job, and Biden says so, but two other people get jobs, you have still lost your job.

[reality check for you] Biden was not wrong. and Lousiana is in a bad way, more than a good one.

niftydrifty said:

If the state is gaining jobs (for seasonally adjusted employment), it doesn't mean that 400 people haven't just lost theirs. both could be true.

zimmer, you haven't yet refuted Biden.

Click to expand...

lol spin spin spin.

Did you know that 20 million people lost their jobs under clinton? I mean, total employment went up, but that doesn't take into account all the people who retired or died, right?

Yes, both statements could be true, but only one doesn't require circus-like contortions.

RightinNYC said:

lol spin spin spin.

Did you know that 20 million people lost their jobs under clinton? I mean, total employment went up, but that doesn't take into account all the people who retired or died, right?

Yes, both statements could be true, but only one doesn't require circus-like contortions.

Click to expand...

pfffft. you've just made an oversimplified false analogy. the employment picture in LA is a more complex one. the unemployment rate has gone up. the population has grown. people have lost Jobs. people have gained them. Biden asked a legitimate question. it was never answered. the "spin" was the response, to paint him as wrong. he wasn't.

niftydrifty said:

pfffft. you've just made an oversimplified false analogy. the employment picture in LA is a more complex one.

Click to expand...

More complex than the rest of the country? So complex that for the first time in the history of ever that numbers and math don't really mean what they mean? Or is it just complex now because you are defending Biden?

the unemployment rate has gone up. the population has grown. people have lost Jobs. people have gained them. Biden asked a legitimate question. it was never answered. the "spin" was the response, to paint him as wrong. he wasn't.

Click to expand...

Wait, 3700 new jobs were created over the season and somehow 400 people a day losing their jobs isn't wrong anymore? Again, because it's Biden?

jallman said:

More complex than the rest of the country? So complex that for the first time in the history of ever that numbers and math don't really mean what they mean? Or is it just complex now because you are defending Biden?



Wait, 3700 new jobs were created over the season and somehow 400 people a day losing their jobs isn't wrong anymore? Again, because it's Biden?

Click to expand...

I think nifty's point is more about the fact that Biden's comment wasn't necessarily "moron[ic]" like P/N claimed it was. It's a reasonable conclusion to make.

aps said:

I think nifty's point is more about the fact that Biden's comment wasn't necessarily "moron[ic]" like P/N claimed it was. It's a reasonable conclusion to make.

Click to expand...

Wow. You guys become so forgiving of mis speaks when it isn't a republican president occasionally doing it.

jallman said:

Wow. You guys become so forgiving of mis speaks when it isn't a republican president occasionally doing it.

Click to expand...

I would be surprised if you can find a post of mine where I made fun of Bush's misspeaks. I hated it when they would do it to Quayle as well. It's rude, IMHO.

niftydrifty said:

pfffft. you've just made an oversimplified false analogy. the employment picture in LA is a more complex one. the unemployment rate has gone up. the population has grown. people have lost Jobs. people have gained them. Biden asked a legitimate question. it was never answered. the "spin" was the response, to paint him as wrong. he wasn't.

Click to expand...

Don't be ridiculous.

If a politician says "we've lost XXX jobs," what 99.999% of the population takes them to be saying and what they mean to be saying 99.999% of the time is that total employment has decreased by XXX. They're not saying "Despite the fact that employment has increased by YYYYYY, XXX people lost their jobs and that's sad."

Biden ****ed up, it was an incredibly minor gaffe. Let it go (and that goes for both sides).

RightinNYC said:

Don't be ridiculous.

If a politician says "we've lost XXX jobs," what 99.999% of the population takes them to be saying and what they mean to be saying 99.999% of the time is that total employment has decreased by XXX. They're not saying "Despite the fact that employment has increased by YYYYYY, XXX people lost their jobs and that's sad."

Biden ****ed up, it was an incredibly minor gaffe. Let it go (and that goes for both sides).

Click to expand...

why should I let it go that you've just twisted what he actually said, in order to (again) make a false analogy?

Biden didn't say, "we've lost XXX jobs." he said "In Louisiana, there's 400 people a day losing their jobs. What's he doing? What's the answer?" you're ignoring the complex reality of employment in Lousiana right now.

the situation is bad... and can't be revealed by adding or subtracting this from that. while people are coming into the state and finding seasonal work, the seasonal employees really can't offset, or cancel out, other dwindling industry. not to mention that the overall unemployment rate has actually increased.

I'd rather be "ridiculous," than continue to oversimplify, misrepresent, candy-coat, and assume that most people would think the way I do.

jallman said:

Wow. You guys become so forgiving of mis speaks when it isn't a republican president occasionally doing it.

Click to expand...

he didn't.

niftydrifty said:

he didn't.

Click to expand...

Yeah...he did.

jallman said:

More complex than the rest of the country? So complex that for the first time in the history of ever that numbers and math don't really mean what they mean? Or is it just complex now because you are defending Biden?

Click to expand...

yes it is more complex. because the country, as a whole, doesn't have people returning to it from other places because there was a big natural disaster. nothing to do with Biden.

jallman said:

Wait, 3700 new jobs were created over the season and somehow 400 people a day losing their jobs isn't wrong anymore? Again, because it's Biden?

Click to expand...

did they lose their jobs? yes or no? again, from dude's article in the OP:

The unemployment rate in Louisiana has gone up, from 5.3 to 5.9.

Click to expand...

why am I the only one highlighting this fact?

I wonder if Biden used his own thoughts.

The context of his comment made it clear what he was meaning, that Jindal was saying what Obama and them were doing was wrong and wouldn't help jobs out and that he shouldn't have been saying that because his own state is doing bad in regards to jobs.

He does this by highlighting that 400 people every day lose their job. Its political spin, because of course he uses a statistic that sounds bad without pointing out that there's been an actual growth of the amount of jobs available in LA during that time.

Put it this way...

In 6 months, if Obama comes out and say's his stimulus helped create 10,000 new jobs is it a fair and reasonable way to criticize him to say that 10,000 people lost their job every day during those 6 months and thus we shouldn't be taking advise from him?

What if that 10,000 number is normal? What if that's actually lower than what it was previously.

Biden's comment is WORTHLESS alone and is obvious, typical, idiotic political spin. Is 400 people per day better or worse than other states? Is it a rather normal amount of lost jobs per day for a state LA's size? Is that 400 a day actually BETTER than what it was when Jindal first came into power in the state? The statistic by itself is useless, worthless, and the information in this thread in part shows why.

Did Biden misspeak? Its a matter of opinion, because his intent matters. If he was trying to say the 400 was a sign that they weren't creating jobs in LA, then he misspoke. If he was saying that because he knew they had been creating jobs but needed a number to insult and talk down Bobby Jindal, then he was just being a typical politician.

And what do we say about being a typical politician Old Joe?

"That's not Change; That's more of the same!"

niftydrifty said:

why should I let it go that you've just twisted what he actually said, in order to (again) make a false analogy?

Biden didn't say, "we've lost XXX jobs." he said "In Louisiana, there's 400 people a day losing their jobs. What's he doing? What's the answer?" you're ignoring the complex reality of employment in Lousiana right now.

Click to expand...

Because that's a stupid ****ing thing to say if that's what he meant, and I assume that Biden isn't that dumb. Repeat: When politicians talk about "losing jobs," everyone and their mother takes that to mean that they're talking about total employment numbers. If they weren't, then you could say equally stupid things, such as "Tens of millions of people lost their jobs under Clinton" and be accurate. I pretty much guarantee that if Bush had tried to make that argument in 2000, you would have been the first to label him as a disingenuous asshole.

Look at it this way: which sounds worse, Biden made an innocuous gaffe while trying to make a point, or he's being entirely disingenuous and twisting words to make things seem worse than they are?

I'd rather be "ridiculous," than continue to oversimplify, misrepresent, candy-coat, and assume that most people would think the way I do

Click to expand...

.

I'm sorry that I assume that when a politician says "XXX people are losing their jobs," people assume that the politician is trying to say that employment is decreasing by XXX. I mean, that's idiotic of me to assume, right? Politicians don't really mean that.

The White House - Blog Post - Advice from "beyond the echo chamber"

THE PRESIDENT: I have just had the opportunity to welcome the members of my Economic Recovery Advisory Board. And I'm grateful that I will have the counsel of these extraordinarily talented and experienced men and women in the challenging months to come.

If there's anyone, anywhere, who doubts the need for wise counsel and bold and immediate action, just consider the very troubling news we received just this morning. Last month, another 600,000 Americans lost their jobs. That is the single worst month of job loss in 35 years.

Click to expand...

Now, do you think Obama is trying to say that 600,000 particular individuals lost their jobs, or that total employment dropped by 600,000?

so the issue here for you, RINYC, is how people might take things to mean something, what everyone and their mother takes something to mean, what I would've been the first to do to Bush, what you assume, what people assume, or what Obama said on some other day, ...and not what Biden actually said?

I guess this explains everything. I'd prefer to discuss what Biden actually said.

No, what he cares about is that generally, terms have meanings.

When I say "This **** is hot" when looking at a car, its generally recognized I'm not saying its physically going to burn me.

When I say "I made $80 yesterday at work" people don't assume that I'm talking about how much I made at work for that day minus whatever I paid in gas, food, etc.

When I say "At the end of the week, my bank accounted ended at $800 dollars" that's generally understood to mean that after money put in and money put out, that's the end point.

When I say "My stocks lost 80 points last week" that generally means my net loss over that past week was 80.

And, similar to the last one, when someone says a state loses 400 jobs per day that's assumed by most people due to the common way its phrased to be in regards to the net loss.

Biden, unless he's a complete ****ing idiot, knows this. So one of two things happened:

1. He made a gaffe, going off bad information he was given.

2. He purposefully mislead and played politics, by pointing out a negative thing in a common vernacular despite the fact that he knew that if you applied the COMMONLY UNDERSTOOD definition of what he's talking about to his statement it'd be wrong.

So which was it?

Was it a gaffe, or was he a typical slimey politician purposefully manipulating the public and information to put down a political opponent for no reason other than petty partisanship?

lol.

Let's see.

Unemployment has increased from 5.3 to 5.9. Therefore the total net jobs is negative. Therefore Biden is correct in his assertion that jobs are in fact being lost in Louisiana.

The article itself doesn't make any sense. How can seasonally adjusted employment rise yet unemployment increase? How can total jobs reported increase yet total unemployment increase? Just because the population increases doesn't mean that the total people in the workforce has increased. Remember that workforce only includes those actively working and those actively seeking employment. The only way this article makes any sense is if Louisiana just experienced a large increase to its total workforce for this one reporting period. Or someone screwed up some math in the process.

niftydrifty said:

so the issue here for you, RINYC, is how people might take things to mean something, what everyone and their mother takes something to mean, what I would've been the first to do to Bush, what you assume, what people assume, or what Obama said on some other day, ...and not what Biden actually said?

I guess this explains everything. I'd prefer to discuss what Biden actually said.

Click to expand...

If I said that you were as useful as tits on a bull, you'd probably be offended since most people have no use for tits on a bull. If on an off chance, I happen to be a fan of bestiality who would love some luscious mammaries on a bull, that doesn't change the fact that telling someone that they're as useful as tits on a bull is an insult.

If you're actually trying to claim that Biden knew that the area added jobs but was simply referring to the fact that 400 people had been fired, then that's fine. It makes him look like a sleazy ****. Is that better?