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Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

stevenb said:
I could do lots of things that *would* be illegal.. but... just because I *can* do them... doesn't mean that I *WILL* do them.
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And when there is a problem it must be addressed. Arming drug cartels is a problem.
 
winston53660 said:
And when there is a problem it must be addressed. Arming drug cartels is a problem.
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Arming drug cartels in Mexico?

I'm sorry, but the problems of another nation who doesn't police their incoming border is our problem how?

Please explain this to me... how is some other country's responsibility our's?



btw, care to respond to anymore of my post?

That's right you won't.. cause you can't.
 
I don't like assault weapons, I would never use an assault weapon, and I don't see why responsible people couldn't own them. I know someone like Goobieman would never use it other than a responsible way and that's what counts.
 
winston53660 said:
And when there is a problem it must be addressed. Arming [mexican] drug cartels is a problem.
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Sure. But not one that can be addressed by infringing on the rights of Americans.
 
stevenb said:
Arming drug cartels in Mexico?

I'm sorry, but the problems of another nation who doesn't police their incoming border is our problem how?

Please explain this to me... how is some other country's responsibility our's?



btw, care to respond to anymore of my post?

That's right you won't.. cause you can't.
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Yes arming drug cartels in Mexico is our problem. There is a war going on on our border that does spill over into our border towns.
 
Goobieman said:
Sure. But not one that can be addressed by infringing on the rights of Americans.
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I'm against the AWB. I'm not against licensing registration wait periods etc.
 
winston53660 said:
Yes arming drug cartels in Mexico is our problem. There is a war going on on our border that does spill over into our border towns.
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Well stop them from getting guns then.


I am not in a drug cartel. Leave mine alone.



Then again, I remember the argument that terrorists are afforded constitutional rights now.....


How are you going to refuse the sale of weapons now that you all afforded them constitutional rights? :mrgreen:
 
americanwoman said:
I don't like assault weapons, I would never use an assault weapon, and I don't see why responsible people couldn't own them. I know someone like Goobieman would never use it other than a responsible way and that's what counts.
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There are hundreds of millions of ak47s and ar15s, and ar10s, and various other "assault" weapons in this country.

:) For how many of them there are in this country.. according to the antis in this thread, you should hear about a massacre every day... HELL every hour!

But.. when it comes down to it.. legal gun owning citizens aren't the problem.. therefore their weapons aren't the problem... It's the pissant criminals who are problem.. why? Cause they don't obey the laws in the first place.
 
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winston53660 said:
Yes arming drug cartels in Mexico is our problem. There is a war going on on our border that does spill over into our border towns.
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Then even more reason to arm our good citizens with the same or even a higher cailber than they are armed with.
 
winston53660 said:
Yes arming drug cartels in Mexico is our problem. There is a war going on on our border that does spill over into our border towns.
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So we should do what any other country would do.

Station our troops on our border and let them fight it out.

We are not responsible for another country's problems.... Sorry, you just won't convince me of that.


btw, I didn't know you could buy grenades, grenade launchers, m60s, and various automatic weapons legally here. :roll:
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Irrelevant.
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:confused: I wasn't arguing with you. I was explaining why I didn't know.

Here's something relevant for you though:

Moderator's Warning:
I have already given a general warning in this thread folks. The next person to insult another will be thread banned and infracted. This includes any insinuations about mental disorders that people may or not have.

Thanks for your cooperation.
 
winston53660 said:
Yes arming drug cartels in Mexico is our problem. There is a war going on on our border that does spill over into our border towns.
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This is amazingly sad.
The anti-gun lobby is SO desperate to ban 'assault weapons' that now they have to use crime in MEXICO as an excuse.
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Goobieman said:
This is amazingly sad.
The anti-gun lobby is SO desperate to ban 'assault weapons' that now they have to use crime in MEXICO as an excuse.
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Because they have nothing in the states to really prove their point.

I was reading a while ago that the Brady campaign considers suicides violent gun crime... they also consider people 26 and younger to be children.

Pretty easy to make up statistics that show anything you want these days. :)
 
Goobieman said:
This is amazingly sad.
The anti-gun lobby is SO desperate to ban 'assault weapons' that now they have to use crime in MEXICO as an excuse.
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It happens in our country from LA to NYC and inbetween.

I guess you missed the part where I said I'm against the AWB.
 
winston53660 said:
Paranoid much? It happens in our country from LA to NYC and inbetween.

I guess you missed the part where I said I'm against the AWB.
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We haven't missed the point where you're for further infringement on the second amendment via registrations and waiting periods.
 
stevenb said:
We haven't missed the point where you're for further infringement on the second amendment via registrations and waiting periods.
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Registering your guns does not infringe on your rights any more than yelling fire in a crowded theatre does. You can still have your guns.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
:confused: I wasn't arguing with you. I was explaining why I didn't know.
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I will address the non mod box of your post to avoid a 6a. i was saying it was irrellevant because there are many cultural vernaculars that are used that are indeed not in a dictionary and thus irrellevant.

Here's something relevant for you though:
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oh why thanks. i will respond in appropriate channels.
 
winston53660 said:
Registering your guns does not infringe on your rights any more than yelling fire in a crowded theatre does. You can still have your guns.
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The germans believed in firearms registration, ... odd... so did stalin...

Even more odd, they both believed in gun control too... common sense gun control.

HMMMM.


There is absolutely no reason why the government should know what guns I own, or what I do with them.. unless I am breaking the law. Then they're more than welcome to look at what I've got and what I'm doing.

Until then, my private business is just that.. my private business.
 
stevenb said:
There is absolutely no reason why the government should know what guns I own, or what I do with them.. unless I am breaking the law. Then they're more than welcome to look at what I've got and what I'm doing.

Until then, my private business is just that.. my private business.
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And as long as none of your weapons are not involved in crime the government will not know your business any more than they will know what is going on in your house which is on the tax rolls.
 
winston53660 said:
Registering your guns does not infringe on your rights any more than yelling fire in a crowded theatre does. You can still have your guns.
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Registration places a preciondition on the exercise of the right to arms not inherent to that right. Thus, it is an infringement.

Yelling fire in a theater, by comparison, is apples and oranges. In terms of the right to arms, it is equivelant to firing a gun into the air while inside a city.
 
winston53660 said:
If I thought it was worth the time I'm sure I could look plenty up.
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I'm sure you could. But, it doesnt change what I said.
If there were a sound argument for banning AWs, you wouldn't have to look to crime in Mexico as justification.
 
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