When out of work Americans can no longer afford those goods, who wins?
This assumes that there is a "lump of labor" which is fixed in size. This theory has been thoroughly discredited by economists. New jobs can and will be created, even as other jobs are eliminated or filled.
Blackdog said:
Great! People who are citizens here can look forward to working in a gas station, or better yet a 7-Eleven.
Dare to dream.
Contrary to popular belief, Indian immigrants start businesses other than 7-Elevens. :roll:
Blackdog said:
Yes they have. Times change and so do the considerations.
Fair enough. What exactly is different about modern times versus the past, that would prevent the same idea from applying to our immigration policy? Immigrants came here from Ireland, the troglodytes huffed and puffed about job loss, and the immigrants (and country as a whole) thrived. Immigrants came here from Italy, the troglodytes huffed and puffed about job loss, and the immigrants (and country as a whole) thrived. Immigrants came here from Poland, the troglodytes huffed and puffed about job loss, and the immigrants (and country as a whole) thrived. Immigrants came here from Japan, the troglodytes huffed and puffed about job loss, and the immigrants (and country as a whole) thrived. Etc, etc.
You'd think by now more people would've noticed this pattern. But nope, every nativist of every generation assumes that he is living in special times where the broad historical economic patterns don't apply. :roll:
Blackdog said:
Uhh I just gave you proof:
The economic pie is not a fixed size where more people means smaller pieces.
If that were the case, then one would expect the standard of living in 21st century America to be much worse than it was in 18th century America.
Blackdog said:
This is exactly the kind of thinking that is ruining the standard of living and economy of this country.
Ruining the standard of living? Ruining the economy? Short-term economic problems aside, has the standard of living EVER been higher in America than it has been in the last 15-20 years?
Blackdog said:
No. It is wrong for the company to go outside of the country and pay for workers to come here and displace American citizens. Then expect our tax dollars to go into their pockets.
Except the government isn't giving them tax dollars for the purpose of hiring a specific group of people. They're giving them tax dollars because A) their whole industry has gone to **** and the industry as a whole is vital to our economy, i.e. banking; B) the company is "too big to fail," which is dubious and subjective but nevertheless is irrelevant to who they hire; or C) to fulfill some social goal that the government has deemed important, i.e. alternative energy companies.
In none of those cases does the company expect tax dollars for the purpose of giving jobs to Indians instead of Americans. Who they hire is pretty much irrelevant.
