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Senator to Force Vote on Bill Banning Fairness Doctrine

Hatuey said:
So you can't say what one has to do with the other? Or are you just drawing conclusions?



How is it a lie? Lawmakers were discussing the drafts for the bill weeks before a final copy was made. You're acting like 100 billion were added the day Obama signed the bill.
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Show me where as Obama promised this bill was available to you and me 5 days before Obama signed it as Obama promised.


Banning the bringing up a law is anti-democratic in and of itself. So no. I don't agree.
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When the law's intent is to violate the very tenent of the 1st amendment. Getting the anti-constitutionalists on record is a value added law.


What is your position of the FD?
 
Hatuey said:
Banning the bringing up a law is anti-democratic in and of itself. So no. I don't agree.
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It's simply a guard. Instead of bringing a bill to reinstate the FD immediatly, dems would have to bring up another bill to get rid of the ban.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I already explained. I will take your refusal as to you supporting it, and you knowing that it is unconstitutional.

Thanks!
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It is not unconstitutional since the airwaves are legally considered PUBLIC PROPERTY.

And no I do not support the FD. It is nothing more than the little dutch boy putting his finger in the dyke the is about break.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Show me where as Obama promised this bill was available to you and me 5 days before Obama signed it as Obama promised.
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Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Ethics

To reduce bills rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them, Obama "will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days."
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I don't have to. You have misrepresented what Obama actually said to fit your agenda.

When the law's intent is to violate the very tenent of the 1st amendment. Getting the anti-constitutionalists on record is a value added law.
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Irrelevant. You can't ban people from bringing up laws in a democracy even if these laws are undemocratic because banning them from doing that would in and of itself be undemocratic.

What is your position of the FD?
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Oppose it. Next irrelevant question?
 
winston53660 said:
It is not unconstitutional since the airwaves are legally considered PUBLIC PROPERTY.
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If it's public property, why don't you set up a transmitter and broadcast your own show. It's public right? Like a park, anyone can use it.

It's public in the sense that government claimed it, but companies pay for a frequency and power; that becomes theirs. You can't just use whatever frequency you want at whatever time you want because you'll be infringing upon the property of other individuals whom through contract purchased the rights to use that bit of the airwaves. It's no longer public property at that point.

Which is also why I say the FCC should exist solely to enforce piracy issues and that's about it. No censorship.
 
Hatuey said:
Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Ethics



I don't have to. You have misrepresented what Obama actually said to fit your agenda.
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And You have prevaricated or are misinformed as to the timeline.


Obama took off for the weekend before signing the bill to chicago for the weekend. If it was an "emergency bill", why would he leave?


You have any evidence this was an "emergency bill"?




Irrelevant. You can't ban people from bringing up laws in a democracy even if these laws are undemocratic because banning them from doing that would in and of itself be undemocratic.
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undemocratic? I am unfamiliar with how this is rellevant or true.

Please show me in the constitution where your contention applies.


Oppose it. Next irrelevant question?
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Yet here we are. :roll:
 
Ikari said:
Which is also why I say the FCC should exist solely to enforce piracy issues and that's about it. No censorship.
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Censorship occurs when the corporation shuts out opposing views.
 
winston53660 said:
It is not unconstitutional since the airwaves are legally considered PUBLIC PROPERTY.

And no I do not support the FD. It is nothing more than the little dutch boy putting his finger in the dyke the is about break.
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Amendment I


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Amendment I


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Freedom of speech is violated is violated when one side or the other left or right is shut out.
 
winston53660 said:
Censorship occurs when the corporation shuts out opposing views.
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Corporations are free to do what they want with their own company. I think we should go back to only allowing a person to own one media outlet (thanks a lot Clinton) so that all the media isn't owned by Ted Turner and f'n Disney. But other than that, a company should be free to broadcast whatever they want.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
And You have prevaricated or are misinformed as to the timeline.

Obama took off for the weekend before signing the bill to chicago for the weekend. If it was an "emergency bill", why would he leave?
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Because bills are not signed on the weekend. Never have been. Congress/Government has the SAME workweek as everyone else.

You have any evidence this was an "emergency bill"?
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It's not called an ECONOMIC CRISIS because 10 people went broke.

undemocratic? I am unfamiliar with how this is rellevant or true.
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Banning people from bringing up a law is undemocratic.

Please show me in the constitution where your contention applies.
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1st amendment :

First Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that expressly prohibits the United States Congress from making laws "respecting an establishment of religion" or that prohibit the free exercise of religion, laws that infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to peaceably assemble, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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Bringing up a law supporting the Fairness Doctrine is part of freedom of speech. Congress doesn't have to pass it. But it certainly can't ban the act.

Yet here we are. :roll:
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Ummm...so I guess there was no point to the question.
 
winston53660 said:
Not just governments censor.

Censorship is the suppression of speech .
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How is that relevant to this topic?


I am free to tell my employees what they can say and cant in regards to my business. so what.


The constitution prohibits the government from restricting people in the same way
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Under the constitution, they most certaintly CAN'T pass it!

Oh, that's right, jsut give it to the su[preme court. :roll:
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But under the same constitution they can't ban it from being brought up either.
 
Hatuey said:
Because bills are not signed on the weekend. Never have been. Congress/Government has the SAME workweek as everyone else.
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So it was NOT an emergency?


It's not called an ECONOMIC CRISIS because 10 people went broke.
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SO you got nothing other than your feelings. NOTED>

Banning people from bringing up a law is undemocratic.
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No constitutional basis for your nonsense. NOTED>


1st amendment :

First Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Bringing up a law supporting the Fairness Doctrine is part of freedom of speech. Congress doesn't have to pass it. But it certainly can't ban the act.



Ummm...so I guess there was no point to the question.
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How so? Did you even read the 1st before posting this nonsense? :lol:



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



Please explain how this applies.
 
Why don't we just have a Constitutional amendment banning any discussion of the Fairness Doctrine....really put a stake in its black heart. Would that make you feel more comfotable?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So it was NOT an emergency?
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It is. Congress simply doesn't operate on the weekend and bills have never been signed on the weekend. Ever. Regardless of the situation.

SO you got nothing other than your feelings. NOTED
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:rofl - So it's not an economic crisis and the economy is fine? Your complete ignorance of the last year has been noted.

No constitutional basis for your nonsense. NOTED.

How so? Did you even read the 1st before posting this nonsense? :lol:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Please explain how this applies.
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So you do not believe the right to petition exists?

Right to petition in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The first[6] significant exercise and defense of the right to petition within the U.S. was to advocate the end of slavery by petitioning Congress in the mid 1830s, including 130,000 such requests in 1837 and 1838.[7] In 1836, the House of Representatives adopted a gag rule that would table all such anti-slavery petitions.[7] John Quincy Adams and other Representatives eventually achieved the repeal of this rule in 1844 on the basis that it was contrary to the right to petition the government.[7]
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A law banning bringing up the Fairness Doctrine would be counter to the right of the people to petition.
 
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Hatuey said:
It is. Congress simply doesn't operate on the weekend and bills have never been signed on the weekend. Ever. Regardless of the situation.
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After pushing Congress for weeks to hurry up and pass the massive $787 billion stimulus bill, President Obama promptly took off for a three-day holiday getaway.

Obama arrived at his home in Chicago on Friday, and treated wife Michelle to a Valentine's Day dinner downtown last night. The couple was spotted leaving upscale Table Fifty-Two, which specializes in Southern cuisine, with the first lady toting what appeared to be a doggie bag.

The president plans to spend the Presidents' Day weekend in the Windy City, and is not expected to sign the bill until Tuesday, when he travels to Denver to discuss his economic plan.

Both the House and Senate passed the bill Friday night.

The push to get the bill through before the holiday weekend was so frantic, members of Congress didn't have a chance to read all 1,071 pages of the document before they could vote.

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What we have here is the country's first 5 day work week President...
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Such an emergency that he flew to denver after a 3 day weekend,.


If it was such an emergency, hope and change could have signed it.



Still why was it not available for review as promised?



:rofl - So it's not an economic crisis and the economy is fine? Your complete ignorance of the last year has been noted.
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Yeah such an "emergency" Obama flew to CO after a 3 day holiday.

Your complete failure to provide any evidence for this being considered "emergency legistlation" NOTED.



So you do not believe the right to petition exists?

Right to petition in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



A law banning bringing up the Fairness Doctrine would be counter to the right of the people to petition.
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Good example. Note how the law was put into place, then repealed? That is how democracy works.


Now if you have a supreme court ruling showing banning this would be uncontitutional, we could go from peurile to sophomoric with your arguments.
 
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