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Czech president compares EU to Soviet Union

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He's right.
In America it was "We the People..."
In EU land it's "We the State..."

I love this guy.
Can't wait for him to meet Obama.

Czech president compares EU to Soviet Union
The European Union has turned into an undemocratic and elitist project comparable to the Communist dictatorships of eastern Europe that forbade alternative thinking, Czech President Vaclav Klaus told the European Parliament on Thursday.
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(At least Eastern Europe still understands the concept of freedom.)

Even though they continue to run these Nations as they were run under the system of Blat.
Change is a word they also understand, but are unable to activate.
Pretty much the same as the US.
 
Funny.

Lets see who is this guy. He is a nationalist and anti European. He is also a fascist if you ask me. His "view" of the world is no different than Milosovic in Serbia.

On top of that he has been forced to resign as Prime Minister because of corruption. His government and party was one long list of corruption, nepotism and worse. He also lead one side in an undemocratic splitting up of Czechoslovakia. Great point on his CV.

The former president who actually lead the Czechs out from behind Iron Curtain called his economic policies "gangster capitalism", which lead the Czechs into a deep economic hole.. which the EU helped them dig themselves out off btw.

Yes I understand fully why right wing American's would like this guy.. he is just like them. Corrupt, greedy and loves to use government money and power to "help" friends.

As for his comments. /shrug, back them up with facts instead. Problem is he cant.
 
zimmer said:
He's right.
In America it was "We the People..."
In EU land it's "We the State..."

I love this guy.
Can't wait for him to meet Obama.

Czech president compares EU to Soviet Union
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True story..
EUobserver

Its interesting how that moron says the following things. All following quotes are of him.

Increasing the European Parliament's powers won't solve EU's democratic deficit, since the bloc's legislature does not represent any nation and allows for no political alternatives opposed to EU integration
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Wow, how many false views is it possible to have in one sentence, showing what a moron this guy really is.

1. The EU is overloaded with democracy.. Thats the problem. First of all local and national level democracy, on top of that EU democracy(parliament), and then on top of that democracy between the nations and their voting.

2. The European council represents the nations, and the parliaments of the nations. Both those have to approve any legislations, meaning that ALL legislation is approved by the nations, and if not all nations agree, then there is no new legislation. Every nation has a veto, but if the rest of the nations want to progress anyways they have to give that nation an opt out.

3. There are parties IN the European parliament who is anti-EU, who oppose the EU and further integration. :doh

Increasing the European Parliament's powers won't solve EU's democratic deficit,
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Czech President Vaclav Klaus has questioned the authority of the European Parliament
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So he questions their authority but do not want them to have more powers?

"Are you really convinced that every time you take a vote, you are deciding something that must be decided here in this hall and not closer to the citizens, that are inside the individual European states?" Mr Klaus asked.
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What the hell is he talking about, the division of power between the nations in the EU and the EU itself is quite clear.

He warned that the European Parliament currently lacked any "political alternative" opposed to European integration, something that resembled the one-party system of the Soviet Union.
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What a moron..
Political groups of the European Parliament - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are political PARTIES in the European parliament with all types of different a varying opinions; Unfortunately for the anti-EU side, the anti-EU parties account for a tiny fraction of those..

(UEN) Alliance for Europe of the Nations (AEN)
+ 6 unaffiliated national parties

44 MPs of a total of 785..

European Green Party (EGP)
European Free Alliance (EFA)
+ 2 unaffiliated national parties

42 MPs... Many of whom want national independence and break loose from the EU.

Alliance of Independent Democrats in Europe (AIDE)
EUDemocrats (EUD)
+ 2 unaffiliated national parties

(better known as anti-EU, UKIP)

24 MPs.




That Czech mother****er simply knows nothing about the EU parliament. The rest of the article is just full of his false staments, misunderstood and ignorant views on the European parliament, and just anti-EU stuff based on his own lack of understanding what he is talking about.. It would take too long to go through all the stupid **** he was saying actually, even though that was my original intention. The stuff I did put however was by far the most relevant.
 
Its embarrassing that such a dumb man can actually be the leader and represent Europe. Amazing how democracy works dumb.
 
I posted the videos, but did not have a chance to watch. Now I have watched and I have to announce that Vaclav Klaus is my new hero.

In this video
YouTube - Czech President - Idealistic Socialism is Impossible

I sign under each and every word of Mr. Claus by my own life experience and my knowledge learned. People who never had a chance to experience socialism he had to experience and I had to have some period of my life exposed to may try to build smart theoretical arguments from books they have read ... or just keep on spewing meaningless garbage…. But none of them ever had to read Soviet Socialistic newspapers… and experience ....

Mr. Klaus is a brilliant sincere man of knowledge, experience and integrity.
 
justone said:
Mr. Klaus is a brilliant sincere man of knowledge, experience and integrity.
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Its not criticism about you but that guy is completely boring and one sided.

The whole communism alone wasn't an ideal solution, so it have to be capitalism/democracy instead, is just a flawed way of thinking. I believe more and more people are coming to the realization that capitalism/democracy is not working.

We need hybrid models, but thats just something this guy doesn't have in his mind, he is completely one sided.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Its not criticism about you but that guy is completely boring and one sided.

The whole communism alone wasn't an ideal solution, so it have to be capitalism/democracy instead, is just a flawed way of thinking. I believe more and more people are coming to the realization that capitalism/democracy is not working.

We need hybrid models, but thats just something this guy doesn't have in his mind, he is completely one sided.
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Ugh. Nej.

He is one sided because he is on the right side. He's seen the dark side, he's seen the Eurosocialist hybrids, and there is no more powerful engine than free people and free markets.

Hybrids suck. Don't believe me? Read on.
http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf See where the Top EU countries would rank as US States

Communism wasn't just something far removed from an ideal solution, it is one of the most oppressive, disgusting systems to plague mankind. And plague they did. It was ideal for the destruction of man, his spirit and soul, and it was equally good at destroying infrastructure; buildings, roads, the environment. Nothing more.

It's tough to build the Taj Mahal when the Soviets left a latrine to work with. The only way they'll be able to unearth the layer of dung spread across these regions is by freeing their people to achieve to their utmost. Personal responsibility. Hard work. You know, things that are the grundstein of Freedom... Liberty.
 
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zimmer said:
Hybrids suck. Don't believe me? Read on.
http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf See where the Top EU countries would rank as US States
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No hybrid models exist :doh

Anyways, that paper there is quite old and focuses on GDP per person. With the lower dollar value on the higher Euro value, the list would look completely different now.

zimmer said:
Communism wasn't just something far removed from an ideal solution, it is one of the most oppressive, disgusting systems to plague mankind. And plague they did. It was ideal for the destruction of man, his spirit and soul, and it was equally good at destroying infrastructure; buildings, roads, the environment. Nothing more.
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There are many good things about communism that a hybrid system could use. Perhaps the one sided people dont want to see that, but there definetely is.
 
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Maximus Zeebra said:
No hybrid models exist :doh
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No successful hybrid model.

Anyways, that paper there is quite old and focuses on GDP per person. With the lower dollar value on the higher Euro value, the list would look completely different now.
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LOL.

There are many good things about communism that a hybrid system could use. Perhaps the one sided people dont want to see that, but there definetely is.
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Yes, I can see all the great successes Communism wrought in my travels through these countries. :sarcasticclap

Can you name one that offered long term benefits and did not require enslaving people to do it?

Hell, just name one good thing about Communism.
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zimmer said:
No successful hybrid model.

LOL.

Yes, I can see all the great successes Communism wrought in my travels through these countries. :sarcasticclap

Can you name one that offered long term benefits and did not require enslaving people to do it?

Hell, just name one good thing about Communism.
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Communism is not just about the negative aspects of it. Perhaps you should do some research on communism..

State planning is one good thing about communism. Long term planning that is, which is impossible in democracy and 4 year governance, where two opposing forces just grabs power from each other and reverse each others changes.
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Maximus Zeebra said:
zimmer said:
Communism is not just about the negative aspects of it. Perhaps you should do some research on communism..

State planning is one good thing about communism. Long term planning that is, which is impossible in democracy and 4 year governance, where two opposing forces just grabs power from each other and reverse each others changes.
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Maybe we don't want the state to do the planning.
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Maximus Zeebra said:
No hybrid models exist :doh

Anyways, that paper there is quite old and focuses on GDP per person. With the lower dollar value on the higher Euro value, the list would look completely different now.
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Not to mention it was made by a right wing think tank.... with source material that is not documented... but dont tell Zimmer.
 
PeteEU said:
Not to mention it was made by a right wing think tank.... with source material that is not documented... but dont tell Zimmer.
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And if it were a leftwing think tank?
 
American said:
And if it were a leftwing think tank?
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I would claim there are non! :2razz: Since when could the left think?

It being a right wing think tank, plus at what stage of Swedish history it was written... yes it matters. And that the report happens to "prove" without a hitch the widely accept stereotypes set in stone by the European right about the US and Europe, makes me wonder even more.

People are influenced by opinions and what is going on around them, even me and you. That is why you always have to look at sources, who wrote it and why it might have been written in such a way.

I have stated several times that there are many red flags in the report (not to mention most numbers are 9+ years old), since the sources and methodology are suspect (lack of transparency). Now I dont think per say that the report is totally "wrong", and I even agree on some of the aspects and points the writers use, but it is ideology rather than fact that is being promoted. Take for example the "mircowave" statistic between Denmark and the US. The writers just throw it out there, without any analysis. Is it because Denmark is too "poor" to have as many microwaves? Of course not. Danes are just too slow in accepting new technology often and only buying things they find useful.. and a microwave is not exactly essential in a home. Basicly there are many social aspects that are important in those statistics, that the report does not take into account at all. Instead it uses it as a "yard stick" to prove that American's are better off than Europeans.
 
PeteEU said:
I would claim there are non! :2razz: Since when could the left think?

It being a right wing think tank, plus at what stage of Swedish history it was written... yes it matters. And that the report happens to "prove" without a hitch the widely accept stereotypes set in stone by the European right about the US and Europe, makes me wonder even more.

People are influenced by opinions and what is going on around them, even me and you. That is why you always have to look at sources, who wrote it and why it might have been written in such a way.

I have stated several times that there are many red flags in the report (not to mention most numbers are 9+ years old), since the sources and methodology are suspect (lack of transparency). Now I dont think per say that the report is totally "wrong", and I even agree on some of the aspects and points the writers use, but it is ideology rather than fact that is being promoted. Take for example the "mircowave" statistic between Denmark and the US. The writers just throw it out there, without any analysis. Is it because Denmark is too "poor" to have as many microwaves? Of course not. Danes are just too slow in accepting new technology often and only buying things they find useful.. and a microwave is not exactly essential in a home. Basicly there are many social aspects that are important in those statistics, that the report does not take into account at all. Instead it uses it as a "yard stick" to prove that American's are better off than Europeans.
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Well obviously Danes hate popcorn since they refuse to buy microwaves. :rofl
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
zimmer said:
Communism is not just about the negative aspects of it. Perhaps you should do some research on communism..

State planning is one good thing about communism. Long term planning that is, which is impossible in democracy and 4 year governance, where two opposing forces just grabs power from each other and reverse each others changes.
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This is utter foolishness.
May I recommend the following:
IdeaChannel.tv
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Long term planning?
Yeah, wasn't it terrific what they did with their "long term planning"?
Hey YOU! To the Potato fields or to Siberia.

Do some research on these countries?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've traveled these countries. I have lived in these countries... not for days, but months and years. I have good friends in these countries. They would either fall on the floor laughing if they heard this or be disgusted beyond belief, as I am.

Communism is a scourge, and to believe there is any redeeming value in the system is beyond belief. Really. Communism is about the most disgusting thing you can do to a society.
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