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Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

Goobieman said:
FDR ushered in Socialism.
Obama is just another step down that aisle, one bigger than most.
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I think the Hoover damn has from a economic POV has been quite a success.
 
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In order to patch the economy, further infusions of money are needed. The economy would head toward a depression anyway without a stimulus package, and people would be paying even more as inflation increases.
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Defensor said:
This doesn't even make sense. The porkulus package you support is exactly what will cause inflation and what will cause a depression.
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It's an amazing thought process isn't it?
You steal from the private sector, the section that creates jobs and spends cash, you steal from them... and then run it through the government bureaucracy (losing money along the way), and then you let 500 politically motivated people allocate the money where they believe it is best spent. Propping up losers. Paying back buddies. Giving people who don't pay taxes money... welfare checks.

That ain't stimulus or plugging holes. Then again, I think those that voted for this bill are plugging about 300 million American holes.

Some realize it, some don't, some will never realize what damage they voted into office.

It's good the Republicans left the whole hole plugging operation to the Democrats. It's a start... (and then you hear something from the likes of Graham and you start losing hope all over again)
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winston53660 said:
It was a guberment project, socialism.
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False premise. Not all government programs are socialism.
And, even if the Hoover Dam WERE socialism, your response doesn't invalidate what I posted.
 
Goobieman said:
False premise. Not all government programs are socialism.
And, even if the Hoover Dam WERE socialism, your response doesn't invalidate what I posted.
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I'll agree, but the number of projects that would qualify requiring government involvement outside of national security is a drop in the ocean.
 
Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

zimmer said:
LMFAO.

With the shreds we were able to find out about Obama through off-script moments, tapes, and his books he revealed himself to be a socialist:

He owns the most liberal voting record during his time in the Senate. Further left than an admitted socialist.
His friends. Racist. Socialist.
Associates. Terrorist. Crook.
His upbringing (nothing to do with his Muslim father by the way).
His activities before going to law school. Community organizing a'la Rules for Radikals... Saul Alinsky.
The moments he was off-script and let his guard down. Spread. Guns. Religion. No preconditions.
His scant, and highly selective voting record in the IL Senate.
He pushed a law for infanticide hard in the IL Senate.

Many, many indications he was and would remain a socialist.
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Have you passed a middle-school English class? Putting a period after a word does not complete any sentence, or any logical thought pattern.

Okay, so Obama was an activist... George Bush did hard drugs. Does that make Bush a socialist? I mean it's the liberals who do the hard drugs, right?

"His Friends. Racist." His friends are racist, or is he a racist, or what? Any valuable sources to prove any of this?

"He owns the most liberal voting record during his time in the Senate" Do you have a source for this? Other it just you making **** up, again.

Give me a check-list of what a socialist is, and then compare it with Obama platform and previous legislation, and we can see for reals if Mr. Obamaer is that gd Socialist you are all screaming about.
 
So, could someone define what they mean when they say "socialist" please? Are you just saying socialism = government intervention?
 
Khayembii Communique said:
So, could someone define what they mean when they say "socialist" please? Are you just saying socialism = government intervention?
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That is what I am guessing they mean.
That anytime a government puts his/her metaphorical penis into the metaphorical vagina of the country's economy, then it is socalism, if not a hostile take over of virginity (or a dictatorship)
 
Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

Here is a thread about the Obama Most Liberal Senator from the guys and gals here:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-elections/35119-obama-biden-most-liberal-voting-record.html

Arch Enemy said:
Have you passed a middle-school English class? Putting a period after a word does not complete any sentence, or any logical thought pattern.
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Do you write advertising?
Didn't think so.
Do you read it?
This isn't English class.
It's OK to write as you like.
You sound like you were slapped for coloring outside the lines.:mrgreen:

Okay, so Obama was an activist... George Bush did hard drugs. Does that make Bush a socialist? I mean it's the liberals who do the hard drugs, right?
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Know what?
I could care less about the drugs.
His mentor as a youth was a commi.
He was surrounded by socialists his whole upbringing.
He believes not in equal rights and letting everyone achieve the level they do, he believes in leveling the playing field.

"His Friends. Racist." His friends are racist, or is he a racist, or what? Any valuable sources to prove any of this?
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Have you ever listened to the Men of God he listened to for twenty years?
Not twenty months.
Not twenty days.... Twenty years.
He used a line from his sermon as the title of one of his books.
"He owns the most liberal voting record during his time in the Senate" Do you have a source for this? Other it just you making **** up, again.
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National Public Radio NPR

The National Journal is out with its 27th Annual vote ratings and it ranked Sen. Barack Obama as the most liberal Senator in the entire Senate.NPR: Obama Ranked Most Liberal Senator in 2007
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Give me a check-list of what a socialist is, and then compare it with Obama platform and previous legislation, and we can see for reals if Mr. Obamaer is that gd Socialist you are all screaming about.
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I think his actions to date as president are consistent with socialist ideology.
That's all you need.
He's been in office a month and had passed Porkzilla, something Marx would have loved, they tried to sneak all manner of socialism in there like provisions for health care.
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Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

zimmer said:
Do you write advertising?
Didn't think so.
Do you read it?
This isn't English class.
It's OK to write as you like.
You sound like you were slapped for coloring outside the lines.:mrgreen:
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Dude I seriously couldn't color within the lines, nor could I talk well, nor could I write in cursive or do multiplication. I was two brain cells away from being tossed out of academia and given shovel and told to farm.
Know what?
I could care less about the drugs.
His mentor as a youth was a commi.
He was surrounded by socialists his whole upbringing.
He believes not in equal rights and letting everyone achieve the level they do, he believes in leveling the playing field.
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Yay more abstract political ideologies to deal with. What kind of "commi" are we talking about here? Which school of communism? Whose school of communism? Is it just communism modified, or Communism hammified?

Have you ever listened to the Men of God he listened to for twenty years?
Not twenty months.
Not twenty days.... Twenty years.
He used a line from his sermon as the title of one of his books.
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Have no idea what that was. But I spent the better part of 5 years watching wrestling. I also still feel the need to catch an old school Nickolodeon show, like Rocko's Modern life which is about an Australian wallaby and a barney-sounding cow named heifer.



I think his actions to date as president are consistent with socialist ideology.
That's all you need.
He's been in office a month and had passed Porkzilla, and they tried to sneak all manner of socialism in there.
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Not very convincing.
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Khayembii Communique said:
So, could someone define what they mean when they say "socialist" please? Are you just saying socialism = government intervention?
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Socialism is where the government owns and/or controls the means of producing and distributing weath, and redistributes weath through the welfare state.
 
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zimmer said:
Know what?
I could care less about the drugs.
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Never mind that said claim is nothing but an unsupportable slur.
 
Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

Arch Enemy said:
It's called adhering to Keynesian Economic (Fiscal) Policy.
You do not know what you are talking about.
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I see. Well I guess that means it'll work.
 
Socialism is where the government owns and/or controls the means of producing and distributing weath, and redistributes weath through the welfare state.
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So then no country on earth is socialist according to your definition. No country has an economy that is entirely state-owned. So this thread is basically pointless, according to you.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
So then no country on earth is socialist according to your definition. No country has an economy that is entirely state-owned. So this thread is basically pointless, according to you.
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Its not MY definition -- is is THE definition.
What the defintion does to the thread, in your eyes, is meaningless to me.
 
Goobieman said:
Its not MY definition -- is is THE definition.
What the defintion does to the thread, in your eyes, is meaningless to me.
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But the problem we have in this thread is that people are using "Socialism" without any real idea of what it means, or how a Socialist State looks.
 
Yay more abstract political ideologies to deal with. What kind of "commi" are we talking about here? Which school of communism? Whose school of communism? Is it just communism modified, or Communism hammified?
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Nice try but the theoretical differences between Communism/Populism/Socialism/Marxism/Leninism or whatever other "ism" you care to name are irrelevant and meaningless. In practice they all end up the same way, huge government bureaucracy, terrible economy, and limited civil liberties. What difference does the label make?
 
Arch Enemy said:
But the problem we have in this thread is that people are using "Socialism" without any real idea of what it means, or how a Socialist State looks.
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Anyone who lives in the United States knows what a socialist state looks like.
 
Arch Enemy said:
But the problem we have in this thread is that people are using "Socialism" without any real idea of what it means, or how a Socialist State looks.
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We dont have that problem in this thread.
 
Ethereal said:
Nice try but the theoretical differences between Communism/Populism/Socialism/Marxism/Leninism or whatever other "ism" you care to name are irrelevant and meaningless. In practice they all end up the same way, huge government bureaucracy, terrible economy, and limited civil liberties. What difference does the label make?
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Oh really?

Show me a Marxist state, and I will show you how they differ from Marxist ideology.

You apparently do not understand the end-game (utopia) that Marx "predicted" (which is where communism comes from)... it is the lack of government.
 
Defensor said:
Anyone who lives in the United States knows what a socialist state looks like.
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Then what's the point of a thread about "Ushering in an Era of Socialism" if we already live in a socialist state.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Then what's the point of a thread about "Ushering in an Era of Socialism" if we already live in a socialist state.
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I didn't start this thread, I was just responding to your statement.
 
Oh really?

Show me a Marxist state, and I will show you how they differ from Marxist ideology.

You apparently do not understand the end-game (utopia) that Marx "predicted" (which is where communism comes from)... it is the lack of government.
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I'm not interested in discussing how many fairies can dance on the head of a pin. Socialism, in its varying flavors, always results in the same thing despite the differences in their theoretical means and ends. You ascribe far more importance to the labels and theories of socialist sects than is necessary.

Socializing sectors of the economy and funding class-specific welfare programs at the expense of others is bad; it doesn't matter how one goes about it or what end they seek.

You're smart and open-minded but you're still relatively young. Eventually you'll come to see things our way just like I did long ago in a galaxy far, far away. Come to the Dark Side, my son. You know not the power of free-market economics...
 
Its not MY definition -- is is THE definition.
What the defintion does to the thread, in your eyes, is meaningless to me.
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THE definition according to whom?

Oh really?

Show me a Marxist state, and I will show you how they differ from Marxist ideology.

You apparently do not understand the end-game (utopia) that Marx "predicted" (which is where communism comes from)... it is the lack of government.
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Etherial is a Lib; don't waste your time with him.
 
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