Chavez now can reelect himself for life

Radical Ron · Feb 19, 2009

Jomiarias said:
The education is the problem, most venezolans didn't have any kind of edeucation before. Chavez brings education, but not a normal education, a socialist one.

Umm.... That's not entirely true. My neighbor for instance in Venezuelan and he studied in both the U.S. and Venezuela. Venezuelans are not stupid, but Chavez owns the media and pretty much everything else.

Jomiarias said:
They study socialism, revolutions, communism and the bad points of capitalism, the same here in Colombia

What's wrong with learning things? I mean capitalism isn't perfect but it's better than a lot of alternatives?

Jomiarias said:
I had a socialist teacher last year, and he was also gay!! that was horrible because what he said was always the opposite of truth.

Was it horrible because he was gay? or because he was a socialist?

emdash · Feb 19, 2009

Radical Ron said:
Was it horrible because he was gay? or because he was a socialist?

both, duh!!!

Radical Ron · Feb 19, 2009

Jomiarias said:
The education is the problem, most venezolans didn't have any kind of edeucation before. Chavez brings education, but not a normal education, a socialist one. They study socialism, revolutions, communism and the bad points of capitalism, the same here in Colombia, I had a socialist teacher last year, and he was also gay!! that was horrible because what he said was always the opposite of truth.

emdash said:
both, duh!!!

:doh :lol:

Wessexman · Feb 19, 2009

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Radical Ron said:
You expect me to believe that China and Russia don't act that way?! What about Georgia?

Georgia was on Russia's doorstep and they didn't hide it behind ideological factors very forcefully. If China and Russia started invading people like you silly liberal suggestion then there really would be chaos.

Slippery Slope · Feb 19, 2009

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Radical Ron said:
Democracy is not the problem. I think that uneducated people and democracy don't mix, but Venezuelans are hardly uneducated. I think it's Chavez and his control over all of the interests in Venezuela that are cause for alarm much more so than Democracy.

Which is why the corporatists are happy that our education system is failing. Sheeple do as their told, now go buy something or the terrorists win.

Radical Ron · Feb 19, 2009

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Wessexman said:
Georgia was on Russia's doorstep and they didn't hide it behind ideological factors very forcefully. If China and Russia started invading people like you silly liberal suggestion then there really would be chaos.

Ummm, again. It's called Communism, it's stated aims are to overthrow all existing social conditions. (China) and Russia? Are you kidding, they are the biggest new Capitalists on the scene. They almost openly trying to intervene in the affairs of the CIS.

Khayembii Communique · Feb 19, 2009

Umm.... That's not entirely true. My neighbor for instance in Venezuelan and he studied in both the U.S. and Venezuela. Venezuelans are not stupid, but Chavez owns the media and pretty much everything else.

Um, no he doesn't. There is a state controlled media, but there are also many other privately-controlled media companies. There are even companies that called for his overthrow still operating within the country.

Radical Ron · Feb 19, 2009

Khayembii Communique said:
Um, no he doesn't. There is a state controlled media, but there are also many other privately-controlled media companies. There are even companies that called for his overthrow still operating within the country.

Yes those privately owned media companies are flourishing under Chavez aren't they? :lol:

Truth Detector · Feb 19, 2009

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conquer said:
And what Chavez has made to be hated by you?

Venezuela is a country which voted in favor of having him as their president, isn't this what democracy is about?

Didn't you vote for Bush TWICE even knowing that his first term was a disaster? Did the Venezuelans hate Bush in order to wish his assassination like some dudes do in this thread with Chavez?

As far as I know, Chavez is not an enemy of US and that is enough for me to read the news and wait and see. Maybe president Bush is unhappy because Chavez used to call him "el diablo" (the devil).:coffeepap

What a pile of babbling bile. "Chavez is not an enemy of US" You are correct, but the debate is that he is an enemy of freedom and Democracy; thank you for avoiding those FACTS.

But as we have seen so many times in Latin America and other regions of the world, Socialist Dictators are GOOD for their nations. Cuba is a shining example of that.

Yes, the Liberals think the US should keep to itself and joyfully embrace ignorance and despotism; hell, we are almost there ourselves these days! :roll:

Truth Detector · Feb 19, 2009

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Slippery Slope said:
Which is why the corporatists are happy that our education system is failing. Sheeple do as their told, now go buy something or the terrorists win.

You have it exactly opposite; Liberals promote ignorance as it is the only way to spread their ideology; hell, they even celebrate it! The business world cannot exist without an educated workforce and one that comprehends and understands how markets and economies work.

I may have misstated when I suggested that you practice "willful" ignorance.

Orion · Feb 19, 2009

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No country in the world is a democracy.

Khayembii Communique · Feb 19, 2009

Yes those privately owned media companies are flourishing under Chavez aren't they?

Aside from the refusal to grant RCTV a networking broadcast license, they're doing fine. RCTV, by the way, still exists, and is still one of the largest media companies in Venezuela; they just broadcast on cable now.

Truth Detector · Feb 19, 2009

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Orius said:
No country in the world is a democracy.

Hundreds of countries are Democracies if you comprehend the definition:

Main Entry: democracy di-!m@-kru-sE
Pronunciation: \ di-ˈmä-krə-sē \
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural de·moc·ra·cies,
Etymology: Middle French democratie, from Late Latin democratia, from Greek dēmokratia, from dēmos + -kratia -cracy
Date: 1576
Results
1 a. 1 a government by the people especially rule of the majority b. b a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

2. 2 a political unit that has a democratic government

3. 3 capitalized the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States - from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy - C. M. Roberts

4. 4 the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority

5. 5 the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges

Slippery Slope · Feb 19, 2009

Radical Ron said:
Yes those privately owned media companies are flourishing under Chavez aren't they? :lol:

If you have some link showing they aren't then you might have a point.

Slippery Slope · Feb 19, 2009

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Truth Detector said:
You have it exactly opposite; Liberals promote ignorance as it is the only way to spread their ideology; hell, they even celebrate it! The business world cannot exist without an educated workforce and one that comprehends and understands how markets and economies work.

I may have misstated when I suggested that you practice "willful" ignorance.

If that's true then why are the majority of intellectuals, academics and people of high education, liberal?
Then why do we have such fiscal problems every time a republican is in office?

Truth Detector · Feb 19, 2009

Slippery Slope said:
If you have some link showing they aren't then you might have a point.

I don't know why anyone would bother because you have shown an extreme propensity for avoiding the facts and reality; but here you go, just a few issues:

Venezuela: Media Law Undercuts Freedom of Expression

Venezuela: Media Law Undercuts Freedom of Expression | Human Rights Watch

Venezuela: Curbs on Free Expression Tightened

Venezuela: Curbs on Free Expression Tightened | Human Rights Watch

The Troubled Media
Venezuela's Media Wrestles with Stigmas, New Rules

The Online NewsHour: Hugo Chavez's Venezuela | The Troubled Media -- December 28, 2006 | PBS

Venezuela legislature restricts live media coverage

JURIST - Paper Chase: Venezuela legislature restricts live media coverage

Truth Detector · Feb 19, 2009

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Slippery Slope said:
If that's true then why are the majority of intellectuals, academics and people of high education, liberal?

Does intellectualism translate to economic common sense?

Academics can be stunningly ignorant about market forces, how to manage a business and economics.

Slippery Slope said:
Then why do we have such fiscal problems every time a republican is in office?

This argument is false.

Khayembii Communique · Feb 19, 2009

Venezuela: Media Law Undercuts Freedom of Expression

Venezuela: Media Law Undercuts Freedom of Expression | Human Rights Watch

I don't see how laws of other countries, such as the US, for example, are any less arbitrary in their writing and implementation.

Perhaps you could inform us of some instances where this law was actually used in the way that your article claims it could be.

The same, of course, goes for your second article.

As for your third article, what's the point?

And your fourth article regarding RCTV was already addressed.

Radical Ron · Feb 19, 2009

Slippery Slope said:
If you have some link showing they aren't then you might have a point.

Do you really think that Chavez is not threatening? Go to FRONTLINE @ PBS's website and watch the Hugo Chavez show. He is illucid at best.

Truth Detector · Feb 19, 2009

Khayembii Communique said:
I don't see how laws of other countries, such as the US, for example, are any less arbitrary in their writing and implementation.

Perhaps you could inform us of some instances where this law was actually used in the way that your article claims it could be.

The same, of course, goes for your second article.

As for your third article, what's the point?

And your fourth article regarding RCTV was already addressed.

So your argument is what? That Chavez is not attempting to become the dictator of Venezuela for life and control the media in his country? :rofl

Khayembii Communique · Feb 19, 2009

So your argument is what? That Chavez is not attempting to become the dictator of Venezuela for life and control the media in his country?

My argument is that you are blowing the situation out of proportion, the same way that those who cried "oppression" did when RCTV was denied their license renewal.

Radical Ron · Feb 19, 2009

Chavez will not stop at this victory, you will see as time goes on that he will continue his socialist/communist leanings that could eventually usurp freedom in Venezuela. I don't think it's irresponsible to be cautious of events like these especially considering the proximity of Venezuela to the United States.

Truth Detector · Feb 19, 2009

Khayembii Communique said:
My argument is that you are blowing the situation out of proportion, the same way that those who cried "oppression" did when RCTV was denied their license renewal.

I have? Please show me which comments I have made that "blow" the issue "out of proportion."

Truth Detector · Feb 19, 2009

Radical Ron said:
Chavez will not stop at this victory, you will see as time goes on that he will continue his socialist/communist leanings that could eventually usurp freedom in Venezuela. I don't think it's irresponsible to be cautious of events like these especially considering the proximity of Venezuela to the United States.

It is obvious only to those who refuse to wallow in denial or willful ignorance.

Wessexman · Feb 19, 2009

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Radical Ron said:
Ummm, again. It's called Communism, it's stated aims are to overthrow all existing social conditions. (China) and Russia? Are you kidding, they are the biggest new Capitalists on the scene. They almost openly trying to intervene in the affairs of the CIS.

So? They are not invading countries left, right and centre for ideological reasons.

Do you finally comprehend what I'm saying or am I going to have to explain it again?

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