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Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

Oh I love how you have been thanked by a Islamophobe.

I am insulted you even need to ask that question, why would I not?
"A fellow Muslim terrorist?"
What? Am I a terrorist now because I am Muslim?

Another in denial Islamophobe probably

You don't consider yourself, a Muslim first and British second?

Whats the name of your Imam?
 
You don't consider yourself, a Muslim first and British second?

Whats the name of your Imam?

I'm not giving you the name of my Imam or the Mosque I attend. I don't trust you with the name of my damn cat.

And how I consider myself is none of your business.
I knew there was more than one Islamophobe on this forum but such a infestation I didn't know.
You haven't answered my question. Answer it.
Am I a terrorist just because I am Muslim?
 
What is a "true" Sunni?
Who judges what is "true?"

The Ulama.

You? You are not even Muslim to be doing any judging and considering there is no hierarchy of authority in Islam that can speak on its behalf, it is peoples opinion on what they interpret from the text.

There may not be a centralized authority but there are established Islamic Schools of Jurisprudence established by the consensus (Ijma) of the Ulama, and if you are going against Ijma Fiqh then you are a heretic and face the possiblity of being labeled Takfir and tried for apostasy.
 
The Ulama.



There may not be a centralized authority but there are established Islamic Schools of Jurisprudence established by the consensus (Ijma) of the Ulama, and if you are going against Ijma Fiqh then you are a heretic and face the possiblity of being labeled Takfir and tried for apostasy.

Good thing she is in London then eh?
 
The Ulama.

There may not be a centralized authority but there are established Islamic Schools of Jurisprudence established by the consensus (Ijma) of the Ulama, and if you are going against Ijma Fiqh then you are a heretic and face the possiblity of being labeled Takfir and tried for apostasy.

Incorrect.

There is no centralized figure.
That means there is no one interpretation of the Qu'ran.
It is a matter of interpretation. Mine is no less worthy than a Imam's.

Next question?
 
I try to be a gentleman first, even if it sounds a bit lame.
I'm nice to everyone, its a disorder I tell you.
I can't help it even if the person is a asshole.
 
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Incorrect.

There is no centralized figure.
That means there is no one interpretation of the Qu'ran.
It is a matter of interpretation. Mine is no less worthy than a Imam's.

Next question?

What constitutes "radical" Islam? Is it the desire to declare jihad on unbelievers? To eliminate Israel? To destroy the US? To spread Islam around the world?
 
What constitutes "radical" Islam? Is it the desire to declare jihad on unbelievers? To eliminate Israel? To destroy the US? To spread Islam around the world?

No one has the authority to declare jihad on behalf of all Muslims.
Eliminating Israel is not a integral part of Islam so that has nothing to do with "radical Islam" as the issue of Israel concerns about 15% of the Muslim population.
 
Not centralized

The top shia cleric in Lebanon does not hold power over the top Shia cleric in Iraq, the top Shia cleric in Iran does not hold power of the top Shia cleric in Iran

One may be the most respected of all the grand Ayatollahs by the majority of Shia's but his word is not the law when it comes to Shia Islam. Even within countries individual Ayatollahs will have dissagrements with the decisions of the grand Ayatollah, and can decide to use his interpretation of Islam over that of the Grand Ayatollah

:roll: There is what is known as Ijma which is the consensus view held by the Ulama (Islamic Scholars) this Ijma forms what is known as Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence) to go against Ijma is heresy and one would run the risk of being labeled a Takfir and tried for apostasy. In all five schools of Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh) the consensus view (Ijma) held by the Islamic Leadership (Uluma) is that apostasy, homosexuality, and adultery are to be punished by death by stoning and premarital sex is to be punished by 100 lashes.

You people want to act like because there is no Muslim Pope that there is no Islamic leadership or established religous dogma.
 
I know, that's why I don't get why everyone is jumping your case.
Some of these folks need less internet and more interactions with different people.

They probably have never met a Muslim.
I find it amusing I show more tolerance than most of them combined.
Huh, must be my religious upbringing showing ;)
 
You people want to act like because there is no Muslim Pope that there is no Islamic leadership or established religous dogma.

A Muslim pope? :lamo:lamo

This wins even amongst the stupid posts I have read all night

Oh and there is no Islamic leadership.
 
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No one has the authority to declare jihad on behalf of all Muslims.
Eliminating Israel is not a integral part of Islam so that has nothing to do with "radical Islam" as the issue of Israel concerns about 15% of the Muslim population.
The fact of the matter is, radical Isalm is a part of Islam that has always existed because the Koran and Hadith contain so much to support it. Don't deny it!
 
The fact of the matter is, radical Isalm is a part of Islam that has always existed because the Koran and Hadith contain so much to support it. Don't deny it!

So why am I not a terrorist or a extremist?

I read the same text every single day and pray 5 times a day. Why am I not radical?
 
So why am I not a terrorist?

Islam declared jihad and fought to spread Islam from 632 AD until 1699 AD. Over a thousand years. Was that "radical" Islam. The destruction of Israel is pretty recent. Obviously, until recently, there was no Israel. But prior to the establishment of the British Raj, most of the Indian sub-continent was ruled by the Mughal Emperor, a Muslim. India had been part of dar el Islam and Muslims joined in the Sepoy rebellion of 1857 with the stated intention of restoring India to dar el Islam.

So there is historical precedent to re-conquering land that was once Muslim.
 
Islam declared jihad and fought to spread Islam from 632 AD until 1699 AD. Over a thousand years. Was that "radical" Islam. The destruction of Israel is pretty recent. Obviously, until recently, there was no Israel. But prior to the establishment of the British Raj, most of the Indian sub-continent was ruled by the Mughal Emperor, a Muslim. India had been part of dar el Islam and Muslims joined in the Sepoy rebellion of 1857 with the stated intention of restoring India to dar el Islam.

So there is historical precedent to re-conquering land that was once Muslim.

I wouldn't consider what happened under Prophet Mohammed "radical"

And you haven't answered any of my questions.
Am I a terrorist because I am Muslim?
 
:roll: There is what is known as Ijma which is the consensus view held by the Ulama (Islamic Scholars) this Ijma forms what is known as Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence) to go against Ijma is heresy and one would run the risk of being labeled a Takfir and tried for apostasy. In all five schools of Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh) the consensus view (Ijma) held by the Islamic Leadership (Uluma) is that apostasy, homosexuality, and adultery are to be punished by death by stoning and premarital sex is to be punished by 100 lashes.

You people want to act like because there is no Muslim Pope that there is no Islamic leadership or established religous dogma.

The hadith of Muhammad which states that "My community will never agree upon an error"[citation needed] is often cited as support for the validity of ijmā'. Sunni Muslims regard ijmā' as the third fundamental source of Sharia law, after the divine revelation of the Qur'an, the prophetic practice or Sunnah. The analogical reasoning or qiyas is described as fourth source in Sunni Islam, whereas Shi'a Islam uses 'aql (intellect). Many conservative Muslim writers have claimed that the use of ijmā' makes Islamic law compatible with democracy.[/B] Usuli Shia accepts ijmā' under restricted conditions as a source of Islamic law. Technically, it is “the unanimous doctrine and opinion of the recognized religious authorities at any given time”.

Various proponents of liberal movements within Islam criticize the traditional view that ijmā' is only a consensus among traditional Islamic scholars (ulema). They claim that truly democratic consensus should involve the entire community rather than a small and conservative clerical class, especially since there is no hierarchical system in Islam
Ijma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Sort of puts the idea that the Ijma is the end all of Islamic beliefs does it not as none seem to agree as to how much to accept or not
 
So why am I not a terrorist or a extremist?

I read the same text every single day and pray 5 times a day. Why am I not radical?

I think it is because you are too sweet to be a terrorist or extremist. Oh wait, that kinda ruins the whole stereotype...
 
I think it is because you are too sweet to be a terrorist or extremist. Oh wait, that kinda ruins the whole stereotype...

We mustn't have that lol
 
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I wouldn't consider what happened under Prophet Mohammed "radical"

And you haven't answered any of my questions.
Am I a terrorist because I am Muslim?

I think you're passive....

The vast majority of religous (practicing) Muslims support active jihad either passively or actively (money).
 
So yes then?
Nice to know I am a terrorist.
 
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Incorrect.

There is no centralized figure.
That means there is no one interpretation of the Qu'ran.
It is a matter of interpretation. Mine is no less worthy than a Imam's.

Oh please the minority opinion and your opinion do not form Fiqh. You want to pretend that because there is no Muslim pope that there is no Islamic religious hierarchy which determines Islamic dogma. The Ulama determines Fiqh. And under all five schools of Islamic Fiqh the Ulama have come to the consensus opinion Ijma that apostasy, homosexualiity, and adultery are capital offenses and that the punishment for premarital sex is 100 lashes. To go against the Ijma is to run the risk of being labeled a heretic or Takfir and being tried for apostasy. There is an established mainstream Islamic doctrine which is established by a consensus opinion of an Islamic hierarchy.
 
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