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Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

Jetboogieman said:
Ok I cannot even be bothered to to look through the whole thread, all I needed was the first page.

To quote Samuel L Jackson. "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"

I have HAD IT with this crap. "My religion is less violent than this religion bull****"

Why do you care? There are tons of religious nuts out there of every stripe that think they hear god through the speakerphone. And act on crap not even permitted by their own holy book.

This one incident does not speak for all Islam. And niether does it excempt Christianity for its bull**** either.

Take religion out of it for once. This bastard did it because he is a complete retard, yeah he may have read a book or something :shrug: but its still as stupid as blaming columbine on Marilyn manson or GTA :roll:
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Which major Christian sect still calls for the death penalty in cases of adultery, apostasy, and homosexuality? Which major Christian sect calls for 100 lashes for premarital sex? Which major Christian sects still calls for 4 male witnesses to rape and then proceeds to execute or lash the victim when she can not produce them? Yes Christianity is inherently violent, however, the violent aspects are no longer held as dogma by any of the major sects; whereas, the exact opposite is the case within Islam.
 
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Agent Ferris said:
Which major Christian sect still calls for the death penalty in cases of adultery, apostasy, and homosexuality? Which major Christian sect calls for 100 lashes for premarital sex? Which major Christian sects still calls for 4 male witnesses to rape and then proceeds to execute or lash the victim when she can not produce them? Yes Christianity is inherently violent, however, the violent aspects are no longer held as dogma by any of the major sects; whereas, the exact opposite is the case within Islam.
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The theocratical sects of Islamic populations are not in discussion here. Countries like Saudi Arabia are that way, because the religious are in control of the courts and laws and so forth. There are plenty of Christians who would love nothing more then some of the rules in Saudi Arabia and other places if they had the power.

I cannot stress this enough. Religion of all stripes but especially Islam is a tool for extremism, not the be all, and end all factor. One has to take all circumstances into account. Geo-Political, Historical and economical.

This particular guy is not a spokesman for all Islam. And never ever claimed to be a saint. End of Story. He's a whackhead. Done deal.
 
SgtRock said:
I do not have to villify Islam muslims are doing a damn good job of it. And besides my main concern is human rights. In particular the rights of muslim women who are suffering and dying. And before you ask, yes I am concerned with violence against all women not just muslim women. Laila is a muslim women who used to work at a center for battered muslim women and she approves of my stance on this issue. Do you really want to discuss this issue or are you intrested in discrediting me by attempting to prove that I am an islamophobe?
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Please do not use my name as a shield.
I think you have changed ... alot.
 
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ric27 said:
Perception is reality, expecially when you are talking about casting every Muslim into the same mold. But who is responsible for changing that perception? does the responsibility lie with "me" or with "them"?

In this country we have a concept of freedom, but true idealistic freedom cannot exist in an ordered society. For example, if everyone were free, really and truly free and at liberty to do whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted without regard for society, well, that would be some ****hole like Somalia . In our society we have all agreed that there are certain things that are beyond the pale. These have been codified as criminal acts.

The issue with Islam and it's practitioners is that they do not subscribe to these same social constraints and laws. In fact, they view their own religious law as superior.
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What a stupid comment.
Everyone in Somalia is not free to do whatever they want. They now have Islamists in charge. Learn to google.

Oh and nice generalization of 1.2 billion people.
Now hold there whilst I go murder my next door neighbours for daring to put a cross on their front door. I mean, how dare they?! Everyone know Islam is the most superior religion in the world.
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Jetboogieman said:
The theocratical sects of Islamic populations are not in discussion here. Countries like Saudi Arabia are that way, because the religious are in control of the courts and laws and so forth. There are plenty of Christians who would love nothing more then some of the rules in Saudi Arabia and other places if they had the power.
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Negative. Thats why I'm against a theocratic government, whatever the religion. Including Christianity.

Sheep people are people and they are weak and flawed. A theocratic, autocratic government has been a failure and an abuse of human rights wherever and whenever it has been tried.



This particular guy is not a spokesman for all Islam. And never ever claimed to be a saint. End of Story. He's a whackhead. Done deal.
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Nope. That dude is just the tip of the iceberg.....

You also need to think about, Muslims in Europe. Europe is not the US, but what happens there will affect us. Isolationism aka containment won't work. Europe has a declining white or European population. Their social programs require a constant and growing workforce to provide the tax base and since they can't provide the population via their intrinsic birthrate, they have had to import or allow immigration of foreign workers. Due to geographical proximity, the majority of immigrants to Europe are Muslim, just like the majority here are Mejicanos
 
Jetboogieman said:
The theocratical sects of Islamic populations are not in discussion here.
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So basically we can only discuss Islam without discussing every single solitary mainstream branch of Islam? Are you serious? It's one thing to say don't quote the Koran or the Hadiths because they are subject to interpretation but you are expecting us to have a serious discussion of Islam without discussing Islam itself so now not only is fringe Islam as preached by the likes of Bin Laden, Qutb, and Wahhab not allowed, not only is preaching directly from their holy texts not allowed, but now we are not even allowed to bring up the mainstream interpretations of all 5 major Islamic sects. :roll: You apologists never cease to amaze.

Countries like Saudi Arabia are that way, because the religious are in control of the courts and laws and so forth. There are plenty of Christians who would love nothing more then some of the rules in Saudi Arabia and other places if they had the power.
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Excuse me sir but once again what mainstream Christian sect calls for such things? Protestanism? Catholicism? Eastern Orthodox? The answer is that no mainstream organization calls for anything remotely like the rules in Saudi Arabia; whereas, every single mainstream Islamic sect calls exactly for the rules like in Saudi Arabia.

I cannot stress this enough. Religion of all stripes but especially Islam is a tool for extremism, not the be all, and end all factor. One has to take all circumstances into account. Geo-Political, Historical and economical.
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I cannot stress this enough, those things which I listed are not extremist positions within Islam, they are the only positions within Islam and the only interpretations held by all 5 schools of Islamic dogma.
 
Laila said:
Now hold there whilst I go murder my next door neighbours for daring to put a cross on their front door. I mean, how dare they?! Everyone know Islam is the most superior religion in the world.
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And yet if they were apostates from Islam all five major sects of Islam say that they should in fact be killed.
 
Laila said:
They now have Islamists in charge.
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lol

Oh and nice generalization of 1.2 billion people.
Now hold there whilst I go murder my next door neighbours for daring to put a cross on their front door. I mean, how dare they?! Everyone know Islam is the most superior religion in the world.
:roll:
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If a religion, political system, organization, etc. draws its identity and doctrines from a written document, you can then define moderates, goofys, etc in relation to their documented beliefs, etc. The Christian reformation occurred because Martin Luther (NOT the other dude) pointed out where the Catholic church of the time was getting outta line with the Bible. The source documents for Christianity do not support violence to spread the faith and so it can be used to knock down and police the crazed fanatic.

Islam at its root supports and encourages violent evangelism....and you say, why??? Because it is a religious document, not some political manifesto, it is NOT subject to revision. For that reason, any Muslim restructuring or rectification would bring them more in line with their 7th Century violent expansion, not freedom of expression, religion, gender equality, etc.
 
Agent Ferris said:
And yet if they were apostates from Islam all five major sects of Islam say that they should in fact be killed.
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Well because you said it, it must be true. I need to add them to my list of those to kill.
They are just above Pagans but below Jews. Imagine that :doh

The Qu'ran forbids me to kill others and even if it didn't, Allah said there would be everlasting hell for those who take a innocent persons life.
I value myself too much to kill someone to be punished by God on Judgement day.
 
ric27 said:
Islam at its root supports and encourages violent evangelism....and you say, why??? Because it is a religious document, not some political manifesto, it is NOT subject to revision. For that reason, any Muslim restructuring or rectification would bring them more in line with their 7th Century violent expansion, not freedom of expression, religion, gender equality, etc.
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Yup, you know to be quiet over Somalia because you know jack ****.

Heh, which is why all 1.2billion of us Muslims kill people.
If all of us was violent, there is no army big enough in this world to stop us :peace
 
I have had the privilege of having several Muslim friends. None of them were violent, none of them even tried to proselytize me. In fact, as a kid I had a Muslim baby sitter. As a child I thought her elaborate prayer mat was like a toy car mat (and I played with toy cars on it). She did hit me, or cut of my hand, or even scold me. She just told me not to play on that and gave me candy. We also sang a Christian song to her because we knew she loved singing, and she loved it and didn't kill anyone. I had a Muslim lab partner this semester. She wasn't violent, she never threatened to kill me or anyone else. To all of you who say Muslims and their religion are blatantly violent, have you ever personally come across a violent Muslim or even one that tried to convert you?
 
Laila said:
Yup, you know to be quiet over Somalia because you know jack ****.

Heh, which is why all 1.2billion of us Muslims kill people.
If all of us was violent, there is no army big enough in this world to stop us :peace
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Everywhere in this world that Islam comes into contact with any other religion, there is war. While there has been conflict in the past, today, Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists tend to get along fine. Meanwhile, Buddhists and Muslims fight in southern Thailand. Jews and Muslims fight in Israel and the greater middle east. Hindus and Muslims fight on the India/Pakistan border, Catholics and Muslims fight in the southern Phillipines. Other Christians and Muslims fight so many places we couldn't list them all.

This is very true of Islam. It's not the whole world that has a problem with Islam. Islam has a problem with the whole world.
 
ric27 said:
Everywhere in this world that Islam comes into contact with any other religion, there is war.
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Politics is at play 90% of the time.

Next reason to hate Muslims is ... ?
 
Why is it that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, something in us (a sense of fairness) wants to call it a giraffe?

This is an ironic story and gives me second thoughts about the mosque near ground zero. But for the grace of Allah, there goes Mr. Hassan. I think our police departments need some catch-up training regarding these very serious "righteous" murders.
 
Laila said:
Please do not use my name as a shield.
I think you have changed ... alot.
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You are right Laila, I have changed alot since that quote. I am absolutely convinced that Islam is a backward twisted evil idology that must be defeated if it takes a thousand years.
 
SgtRock said:
You are right Laila, I have changed alot since that quote. I am absolutely convinced that Islam is a backward twisted evil idology that must be defeated if it takes a thousand years.
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Believe me, I have noticed.
We no longer see eye to eye on any issue because of your change.

I wonder what caused you to hate my religion.
 
Laila said:
I wonder what caused you to hate my religion.
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Nobody was saying anything about Muslims until they started blowing our **** up. You seem to forget who started all this - it wasn't some kind of mutual agreement that started this "war on terror".
 
Laila said:
Believe me, I have noticed.
We no longer see eye to eye on any issue because of your change.

I wonder what caused you to hate my religion.
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Oh I don't know, maybe its the piles and piles of dead bodies murdered in Allahs name. Or maybe its the evil spewing forth from the Quran, Sunnah, and Hadith. Probably it is a combination of piles of dead bodies, evil religious dogma and intolerance towards non believers. Im sorry it has to be this way. I hope someday you will leave Islam behind.
 
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ric27 said:
Nobody was saying anything about Muslims until they started blowing our **** up. You seem to forget who started all this - it wasn't some kind of mutual agreement that started this "war on terror".
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So are all Muslims represented by the actions of Al Qaeda and Osama? The war on terror is not a war on Islam or peaceful Muslims.
 
ric27 said:
Everywhere in this world that Islam comes into contact with any other religion, there is war. While there has been conflict in the past, today, Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists tend to get along fine. Meanwhile, Buddhists and Muslims fight in southern Thailand. Jews and Muslims fight in Israel and the greater middle east. Hindus and Muslims fight on the India/Pakistan border, Catholics and Muslims fight in the southern Phillipines. Other Christians and Muslims fight so many places we couldn't list them all.

This is very true of Islam. It's not the whole world that has a problem with Islam. Islam has a problem with the whole world.
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So what you are saying is that Christians are a bunch of violent thugs engaged in violence against plenty of other religions, so is Hinduism and Buddhism

Hindu's and Buddhist are fighting in Sri Lanka, Buddhists are fighting other Buddhists in South East Asia, Hindu's are fighting Maoist in Nepal, India, Christians are fighting animists and other christians in Africa.
 
SgtRock said:
Oh I don't know, maybe its the piles and piles of dead bodies murdered in Allahs name. Or maybe its the evil spewing forth from the Quran, Sunnah, and Hadith.
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Because I regularly kill people and burn their bodies. Thanks Sgt. I never knew you found out my secret serial killer side :roll:
 
digsbe said:
So are all Muslims represented by the actions of Al Qaeda and Osama? The war on terror is not a war on Islam or peaceful Muslims.
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Didn't you know?
Osama Bin Laden is now our representative

Must not have gotten the memo.
 
The only way to defeat your enemy is to hate them more than they hate you.
 
SgtRock said:
The only way to defeat your enemy is to hate them more than they hate you.
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So now we're enemies?

Oh thanks for that heads up.
 
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