RNC chairman: voters have 'no reason' to trust GOP

Steele made these comments yesterday on FOX News.

And you know what? Michael Steele is absolutely right. It is going to be a real uphill climb to win back voters who are angry at the Republican party betrayal of Conservative values, and no longer trust the GOP. Some people might not want to hear it, but it is true, and Steele's candor on the issue is refreshing.

But, in order to change, the Republican party is going to have to abandon the "big tent" approach it had under Reagan. The Neocon trash has been taken out and kicked the the curb, and that is where it needs to stay. Conservative values cannot ever again be watered down with Neocon fake-Conservative ideology. If you have to ask why, you need only to take a look around you, at the results of the largest betrayal of Conservative voters in the history of the Republican party.

To the Neocons - Take a hike and stop whining. You lost. Your ideals don't work. The proof was the result of your being in power. Either get with the program, or watch the rebuilding of the Republican party from the sidelines. It's your choice.

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danarhea said:

Steele made these comments yesterday on FOX News.

And you know what? Michael Steele is absolutely right. It is going to be a real uphill climb to win back voters who are angry at the Republican party betrayal of Conservative values, and no longer trust the GOP. Some people might not want to hear it, but it is true, and Steele's candor on the issue is refreshing.

But, in order to change, the Republican party is going to have to abandon the "big tent" approach it had under Reagan. The Neocon trash has been taken out and kicked the the curb, and that is where it needs to stay. Conservative values cannot ever again be watered down with Neocon fake-Conservative ideology. If you have to ask why, you need only to take a look around you, at the results of the largest betrayal of Conservative voters in the history of the Republican party.

To the Neocons - Take a hike and stop whining. You lost. Your ideals don't work. The proof was the result of your being in power. Either get with the program, or watch the rebuilding of the Republican party from the sidelines. It's your choice.

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I think it's time for a 3rd party to come out and shine....but no nutcases like Ron Paul. He's wak. I'de be on his side if it weren't for the whole "legalize all drugs across the board" thing :screwy

danarhea said:

Steele made these comments yesterday on FOX News.

And you know what? Michael Steele is absolutely right. It is going to be a real uphill climb to win back voters who are angry at the Republican party betrayal of Conservative values, and no longer trust the GOP. Some people might not want to hear it, but it is true, and Steele's candor on the issue is refreshing.

But, in order to change, the Republican party is going to have to abandon the "big tent" approach it had under Reagan. The Neocon trash has been taken out and kicked the the curb, and that is where it needs to stay. Conservative values cannot ever again be watered down with Neocon fake-Conservative ideology. If you have to ask why, you need only to take a look around you, at the results of the largest betrayal of Conservative voters in the history of the Republican party.

To the Neocons - Take a hike and stop whining. You lost. Your ideals don't work. The proof was the result of your being in power. Either get with the program, or watch the rebuilding of the Republican party from the sidelines. It's your choice.

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I'm starting to love how Conservatives like danarhea have tried to rewrite history to exclude the facts that Ronald Reagan, the Christian right of America and Neo-Conservatism didn't run around hand in hand during his entire presidency.

You do know that the Christian right wing groups of America are the leading force behind Neo-Conservatism right? This is the very group who got Ronald Reagan elected. It was the Pat Robertsons, Benny Hinns, Ted Haggards of the 1980s who got Ronald Reagan elected. These are the VERY same people who supported the U.S. government's giving arms to the Taliban during the first Afghanistan war. They are the modern day supporters of neo-con think tanks like the Heritage Foundation. They were the people who believed in the 'regime change' Ronald Reagan tried to bring in Panama and then his expansion of our military to fight off communism. They were the same people who supported the 'Moral Majority' of America which ran out in droves to support Ronald Reagan. Returning to the era of Reagan is not saying much as far as getting rid of neo-cons considering how many of them were already working under him while he was president.

It's a bit sad though because all these things are verifiable if one does a little research :

Revising Ronald Reagan: Was the 40th president a peace-loving moderate? - Reason Magazine

Diggins sets out to write an intellectual biography not just of Reagan but of his times, with special attention to the neocons who always urged the president to take a firmer line against the Soviet Union. The hawks in Reagan’s administration assured him he couldn’t reason with communists. One adviser, the historian Richard Pipes, told Reagan the Russian mind worked in ways fundamentally different from our own. The peasant mentality of the Russian muzhik, Pipes had written in 1977, held “that cunning and coercion alone ensured survival: one employed cunning when weak, and cunning coupled with coercion when strong. Not to use force when one had it indicated weakness.” Reagan disagreed. Ignoring the advice of hard-liners like Pipes and the neoconservative strategist Richard Perle, Reagan preferred jaw-jaw to war-war. “We must and will engage the Soviets in a dialogue as serious and constructive as possible,” he insisted in a 1984 address.

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Reagan’s neoconservative advisers in the 1980s had similar feelings, insisting right up until the Berlin Wall came down that America was losing the Cold War. Before Reagan’s election, Commentary editor Norman Podhoretz set the tone for the administration’s hawks by warning of the “Finlandization of America,” the collapse of American will to resist Soviet aggression.

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US News / Special: Empire Builders / Neocon 101 | Christian Science Monitor

Many of these neocons worked in the 1970s for Democratic Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, a staunch anti-communist. By the 1980s, most neocons had become Republicans, finding in President Ronald Reagan an avenue for their aggressive approach of confronting the Soviet Union with bold rhetoric and steep hikes in military spending. After the Soviet Union's fall, the neocons decried what they saw as American complacency. In the 1990s, they warned of the dangers of reducing both America's defense spending and its role in the world.

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So in conclusion what do we have? The Conservative Pipe Dream that all things were rosy during Ronald Reagan's era. The Christian Right did not exist and that Neo-Cons hadn't infiltrated the administration of even the great and mighty Ronald Reagan to the point where they were his trusted advisers in government matters. I think dana that you are either living in denial or willfully ignorant of the shared history of Neo-Cons, the Christian Right, the GOP and Ronald Reagan.

This guy is a piece of work. He is the brain-dead republican version of Dean. He comes with more and more "odd" comments.. this one and only the other day claiming that government jobs were not real jobs..... So all you in the military, federal law enforcement, and other jobs funded by the US government. you do not have a job!.. you have a "something"! that he has yet to define correctly.

Jerry said:

I think it's time for a 3rd party to come out and shine....but no nutcases like Ron Paul. He's wak. I'de be on his side if it weren't for the whole "legalize all drugs across the board" thing :screwy

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To me, Ron Paul was not destined to become president, but he was a great messenger.

I was glad to see Steele get the nod for chairman, and even happier to see him fire everyone.

I saw his interview on Hannity the other night, left Sean speechless and scratching his head as he gave direct no nonsense answers, and left me feeling a tad optimistic about his leadership role in getting the party back to basics.

danarhea said:

To me, Ron Paul was not destined to become president, but he was a great messenger.

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I felt the opposite, he's on the right track in some area's, but he was a terrible messenger.

I couldn't stand his whiney ***** ass verbal skills, I had to read his policy proposals to see what he was about.

danarhea said:

To me, Ron Paul was not destined to become president, but he was a great messenger.

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I really hope he give us a strong candidate.

The GOP is not to be trusted. Just because Obama is worse doesn't mean we should go back to the GOP. If there's a viable 3rd option I'd love to explore it.

GottaHurt said:

I felt the opposite, he's on the right track in some area's, but he was a terrible messenger.

I couldn't stand his whiney ***** ass verbal skills, I had to read his policy proposals to see what he was about.

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You have a point, but Ron Paul did start a movement, and I believe it played a small part in the revolt, within the Republican party, that resulted in the throwing out of the Neocons.

If that isnt tough love, then I dont know what is.

Hatuey said:

I'm starting to love how Conservatives like danarhea have tried to rewrite history to exclude the facts that Ronald Reagan, the Christian right of America and Neo-Conservatism didn't run around hand in hand during his entire presidency.

You do know that the Christian right wing groups of America are the leading force behind Neo-Conservatism right? This is the very group who got Ronald Reagan elected. It was the Pat Robertsons, Benny Hinns, Ted Haggards of the 1980s who got Ronald Reagan elected. These are the VERY same people who supported the U.S. government's giving arms to the Taliban during the first Afghanistan war. They are the modern day supporters of neo-con think tanks like the Heritage Foundation. They were the people who believed in the 'regime change' Ronald Reagan tried to bring in Panama and then his expansion of our military to fight off communism. They were the same people who supported the 'Moral Majority' of America which ran out in droves to support Ronald Reagan. Returning to the era of Reagan is not saying much as far as getting rid of neo-cons considering how many of them were already working under him while he was president.

It's a bit sad though because all these things are verifiable if one does a little research :

Revising Ronald Reagan: Was the 40th president a peace-loving moderate? - Reason Magazine





US News / Special: Empire Builders / Neocon 101 | Christian Science Monitor



So in conclusion what do we have? The Conservative Pipe Dream that all things were rosy during Ronald Reagan's era. The Christian Right did not exist and that Neo-Cons hadn't infiltrated the administration of even the great and mighty Ronald Reagan to the point where they were his trusted advisers in government matters. I think dana that you are either living in denial or willfully ignorant of the shared history of Neo-Cons, the Christian Right, the GOP and Ronald Reagan.

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Except that Christian Science Monitor greatly exaggerates the cohesive ideology of Neoconservatism in foreign affairs.

The problem is people view Neoconservatism like some sort of toxic residue, which thus discolors how people should view it. It creates the simplistic notion that you can easily suggest most Neoconservatives are the same or that wherever they become involved, it is a poisonous venture. They become the enemy rather than an interesting political phenomenon which from time to time has crossed mainstream political discussion and policy formation.

danarhea said:

Steele made these comments yesterday on FOX News.

And you know what? Michael Steele is absolutely right. It is going to be a real uphill climb to win back voters who are angry at the Republican party betrayal of Conservative values, and no longer trust the GOP. Some people might not want to hear it, but it is true, and Steele's candor on the issue is refreshing.

But, in order to change, the Republican party is going to have to abandon the "big tent" approach it had under Reagan. The Neocon trash has been taken out and kicked the the curb, and that is where it needs to stay. Conservative values cannot ever again be watered down with Neocon fake-Conservative ideology. If you have to ask why, you need only to take a look around you, at the results of the largest betrayal of Conservative voters in the history of the Republican party.

To the Neocons - Take a hike and stop whining. You lost. Your ideals don't work. The proof was the result of your being in power. Either get with the program, or watch the rebuilding of the Republican party from the sidelines. It's your choice.

Article is here.

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Did you or did you not vote for McCain??? Then you should stop your whining. BTW, Bush retired.

Jerry said:

I really hope he give us a strong candidate.

The GOP is not to be trusted. Just because Obama is worse doesn't mean we should go back to the GOP. If there's a viable 3rd option I'd love to explore it.

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Steele was speaking Klar text. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The republicans have made a small first step with their recent and blanket opposition to Porkzilla.

A third party? No thanks... unless...

...it's the green party or some Marxist group as a third option.
Something that will split up the Socialist Bloc.

The way things are going, the Republicans could run on The Contract with America again.
Republican Contract with America