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zimmer said:
Eh Cap'n,
I answered your questions, but you haven't answered mine.

Give me one example of socialism working.
One.
O N E
Uno
Un.
Ein.
Een.
Jeden.
Et.
En.
Yksi.


You have proposed the extermination of conservatives. Post #44. I have not.
This is not extreme? Perhaps you should exterminate thyself?
And the idea of getting rid Conservatives will solve what you see as problems...:roll:

Let's exterminate those who won't get along...LOL.

Brilliant reasoning. And realistic too.

Does this mean you advocate exterminating the Democrat Caucus and does it mean you would also play executioner to Obama?
He is furthest left of his Senate colleagues.
The most radical.

So, according to your theory you believe Obama should be physically removed from office and society?
Or is He not "extreme"?
(I'd like an answer from you on this)
Or will your fantasies be inconsistent?


LOL.
I am simply a Conservative.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Post #44 Deconstructed.

Exterminations as a solution?
"Always thought"?
You believe you can work with socialists? Like Lieberman had? LOL
This is child like reasoning, of which you "always thought".
And "nothing... to dissuade you"?

So you believe the socialists are viable partners for the greater good.
LOL.

I find the most of the party irrational.
Lieberman was the only one with a rational view of Iraq from the Leftists in the Senate, and what happened? They actively set out to end his career. That's OK, as politics is its own battlefield, but why did they do it?

Because he didn't tow the party line.
With your theory, you'd have to exterminate virtually the entire Democrat party. But you think these people can be dealt with on the up and up?

Did you see what garbage they just rammed through to the tune of a trillion?

By the way...
What is an extreme Conservative?
Really?

I call Democrats "socialists", "Marxists", and "Stalinists" because it fits their behavior.

Can you define "extreme conservative"?
Would JFK be one too?


LOL.
Let's all sing... "Save the world, make it a better place, for you and for me and the entire human race..."
What blarney lad.

Tell me. Why did partisanship, etc raise its head when Republicans had power? Before that all was well in the world.

And when has socialism worked? One time?



LOL.
Sorry.
Every time I read this post I start thinking about the Miss America pageant.
It's so Miss California, y'know?


People have core beliefs.
Many on the left subscribe to socialism.
Many on the right subscribe to Republican values of limited government...

You believe we should all get along.
The Founders KNEW we should have epic battles to get anything done or altered.

Too many people are willing to appease the left and actually believe their socialist schemes will work. YOU ARE ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS BY WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN IN POST #44.

You have a soft spot for socialists, actually believing their ideas provide for the greater good over the long term.

Tell me, you like The New Deal? Great Society? High taxes? Weak military? Government intrusion into our lives? A strong, active, omnipresent government? That's the Democrat Party. You want 'em at the table? You obviously believe they have something valuable to offer.

I don't.

I want to see them defeated.
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I see you have chosen door #3: "Or keep the straw manning and soapboxing?" I will be happy to discuss any of what you ask with you, once you start getting honest. Thus far, you have not. All you have done is dodge and take out of context. Typical of extreme hyperpartisans.

Here are the questions again:

1) Point out where I said that conservatism=extremism.
2) Point out where I claimed to be a socialist.
3) Point out where I defended socialism.
4) Point out where I said we should bring socialists to the table to help solve our problems.

And I'll add one, demonstrating that you continue to make fallacious, ridiculous claims:

5) Point out where I said that "everyone getting along"=socialism.

I'll keep adding to the list. Each post you make sinks you deeper. Come on, zimmer, if I said these things, you should be able to post where I did. Why haven't you? It's getting so that, soon, I will not even need to post on this thread. All I'll do is repost your comments, and that will further prove my position. You are dodging; you refuse to prove your position; you straw man; you soap box; you refuse to admit you are wrong, even when it has been proven; you present as an extreme hyperpartisan conservative.

So, zimmer, what's it going to be? Point out my quotes? Admit you are wrong? Or keep the straw manning and soapboxing? Come on, get honest with this. You can do it.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I see you have chosen door #3: "Or keep the straw manning and soapboxing?" I will be happy to discuss any of what you ask with you, once you start getting honest
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I've answered you Mr. Exterminator.
Repeatedly.
You cannot answer the questions, and or you don't want to because your "Extermination Theory" looks silly.
Your appeasing socialists sound like a Miss America Moment.
A theory where:
"I see nothing here... to dissuade me from what I've always thought: extreme partisan conservatives... need to be wiped off the face of the earth."
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Very balanced approach I must say.
And no give.
It is a theory of absolutes.
"I see nothing"... "I've always thought"
Or are you merely perfecting Obama speak?


So you stall.
And Stall.
And Stall.

You've got so many stalls you should think of opening a Soviet sized farm.

Back to my questions, as I've answered yours.
Repeatedly.

How about a crack at the following for once?
Or are you at a loss?
Sunk in your moment of "extremism"?
Or is executing people for their political beliefs normal?
Not extreme?

So:

1. Your theory, does it mean you play executioner to Obama?

2. Executioner to the Democrat Caucus minus Lieberman?

3. What is an extreme conservative?
You want them exterminated, so what is one?

4. Show me one instance socialism has worked.
(You can keep buying time... keep searching... you want these failures at the table... why?)

5. Why do you want to inculcate our society with failure?
Because it's a Miss America Pageant thing to do?
It feels good that we all get along?
Are you Rodney King per chance?

I've used your words.
Asked questions about your words.

I guess extermination of political opponents isn't extreme to you?
No, not to the socialist.
It's long been a part of their modus operandi.

And The executioner fantasizes about this socialist manner of treating political opponents.

LOL.

And I'm the extreme one?


I'll keep adding to the list. Each post you make sinks you deeper.
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I've posted your post, I've answered your questions, and you simply don't like the answers.
Sinks me deeper?
In what?
A post where I've repeatedly answered your questions, but because I do not answer them the way you like you dismiss them as non-answers.

Overheard at Comrade Executioner's Casa de Politiko Korrektur.

Comrade Executioner's Right Hand Man: Comrade Executioner, vee haf somevun who doez notz ansering ze qvestshuns according to Ze Party lines.
Vat skall ve doo?
To ze Gulag?

Comrade Executioner (aka Cap'n Court): I sink ve go to ze Plan A.
Death... by Bonga Bonga.
Only sru ze examplar of ze dead Konservativ kann ve make gut societies.

Comrade Right Hand Man: Comrade Executioner, vat about ze Obama?

Comrade Executioner: I like a heem a too much.
I kann werking wis heem.
He ist OK. Moderat.

Comrade Right Hand Man: But he ist having ze meist sozialistische voting rekord of ze Amerkanski Senate!
He ist alzo Radikal.

Comrade Executioner: I half make of liking you, but I half a qvestshun.
Half you reading ze latest "Ze Weg Forwarts" by Miss Amerika?
All must have reading das!
Herr Right Hand Mann... are you konservativ?

Comrade Right Hand Man::shock:
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zimmer said:
I've answered you Mr. Exterminator.
Repeatedly.
You cannot answer the questions, and or you don't want to because your "Extermination Theory" looks silly.
Your appeasing socialists sound like a Miss America Moment.
A theory where:

Very balanced approach I must say.
And no give.
It is a theory of absolutes.
"I see nothing"... "I've always thought"
Or are you merely perfecting Obama speak?


So you stall.
And Stall.
And Stall.

You've got so many stalls you should think of opening a Soviet sized farm.

Back to my questions, as I've answered yours.
Repeatedly.

How about a crack at the following for once?
Or are you at a loss?
Sunk in your moment of "extremism"?
Or is executing people for their political beliefs normal?
Not extreme?

So:

1. Your theory, does it mean you play executioner to Obama?

2. Executioner to the Democrat Caucus minus Lieberman?

3. What is an extreme conservative?
You want them exterminated, so what is one?

4. Show me one instance socialism has worked.
(You can keep buying time... keep searching... you want these failures at the table... why?)

5. Why do you want to inculcate our society with failure?
Because it's a Miss America Pageant thing to do?
It feels good that we all get along?
Are you Rodney King per chance?

I've used your words.
Asked questions about your words.

I guess extermination of political opponents isn't extreme to you?
No, not to the socialist.
It's long been a part of their modus operandi.

And The executioner fantasizes about this socialist manner of treating political opponents.

LOL.

And I'm the extreme one?



I've posted your post, I've answered your questions, and you simply don't like the answers.
Sinks me deeper?
In what?
A post where I've repeatedly answered your questions, but because I do not answer them the way you like you dismiss them as non-answers.

Overheard at Comrade Executioner's Casa de Politiko Korrektur.

Comrade Executioner's Right Hand Man: Comrade Executioner, vee haf somevun who doez notz ansering ze qvestshuns according to Ze Party lines.
Vat skall ve doo?
To ze Gulag?

Comrade Executioner (aka Cap'n Court): I sink ve go to ze Plan A.
Death... by Bonga Bonga.
Only sru ze examplar of ze dead Konservativ kann ve make gut societies.

Comrade Right Hand Man: Comrade Executioner, vat about ze Obama?

Comrade Executioner: I like a heem a too much.
I kann werking wis heem.
He ist OK. Moderat.

Comrade Right Hand Man: But he ist having ze meist sozialistische voting rekord of ze Amerkanski Senate!
He ist alzo Radikal.

Comrade Executioner: I half make of liking you, but I half a qvestshun.
Half you reading ze latest "Ze Weg Forwarts" by Miss Amerika?
All must have reading das!
Herr Right Hand Mann... are you konservativ?

Comrade Right Hand Man::shock:
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Still nothing, zimmer? You realize how ridiculous and beaten you are looking. Please direct me to the post where you quoted me saying any of the following:

1) I claimed conservatism=extremism.
2) I claimed to be a socialist.
3) I defended socialism.
4) I said we should bring socialists to the table to help solve our problems.
5) I said that "everyone getting along"=socialism.

Until you do, you are a liar when you say you've answered my questions. This what I've asked for, and you have refused to do so.

Now, if you want to keep making foolish posts, that is your right. But it doesn't change simple facts: you are dodging; you refuse to prove your position; you straw man; you soap box; you refuse to admit you are wrong, even when it has been proven; you present as an extreme hyperpartisan conservative. You're looking ridiculous and are destroying yourself...I need to do very little here. You are helping me, immensely with your silly and obviously dodging posts. Thank you.
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Here we go ag'in.

CaptainCourtesy said:
zimmer said:
Still nothing, zimmer? You realize how ridiculous and beaten you are looking.
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Moi. LOL

I don't fantasize about executing the opponents, and then print it on the internet.
Th- th-th-th-th-that's R-r-r-r-ridiculous Folks!

1) I claimed conservatism=extremism.
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"extreme partisan conservatives... need to be wiped off the face of the earth."
Your words.

I don't find conservatism extreme.
I don't find partisan conservatives extreme.

I find political executions of your opponents extreme and ridiculous.
You on the other hand:

Quote: Cap'n Executioner: I see nothing here that does anything to dissuade me from what I've always thought...
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and then onto the clip above about extermination.

2) I claimed to be a socialist.
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You have claimed socialists should be at the table, so you believe they have something of value to offer. You have some socialist tendencies, as the brunt of the Democrats elected are socialists. It's how you get all but Seven democrats voting for the latest Trillion Dollar wonder.

von Mises called his collegues socialists, and I'd think he would see both the democrats as socialists and anyone believeing their ideas worth following to have socialist tendencies.

That's you.
3) I defended socialism.
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You want them at the table.
Or do you want to execute the Democrats and Obama?
You called for the culling.
Not me.

I don't think in those terms.
I prefer to defeat opponents at the ballot box espousing conservatism.

JFK (R-MA) wouldn't make it to the D's table today.

4) I said we should bring socialists to the table to help solve our problems.
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You know what. Does what you write have any meaning?
You don't think today's democrats are socialists? LOL.
So you don't want them at the table?

5) I said that "everyone getting along"=socialism.
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You want the socialists at the table. You think killing off parts of the political spectrum acceptable. For what other than so we all get along and get something bipartisan done?

Until you do, you are a liar
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LOL


How about a crack at the following for once?
Or are you at a loss?
Sunk in your moment of "extremism"?
Or is executing people for their political beliefs normal?
Not extreme?

So:

1. Your theory, does it mean you play executioner to Obama?

2. Executioner to the Democrat Caucus minus Lieberman?

3. What is an extreme conservative?
You want them exterminated, so what is one?

4. Show me one instance socialism has worked.
(You can keep buying time... keep searching... you want these failures at the table... why?)

5. Why do you want to inculcate our society with failure?
Because it's a Miss America Pageant thing to do?
It feels good that we all get along?
Are you Rodney King per chance?
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ADK_Forever said:
Once again, your facts are wrong. I'm not sure what election you watched but, in the one that I watched Obama garnered 7.2% more popular votes than McCain. To get 7.2% simply subtract McCain's 45.7% from Obama's 52.9%.

From:United States presidential election, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

.................Electoral..States.................Popular
.....................Vote....Carried..................Vote.......Percentage
Barack Obama 365.....28(+DC+NE-02)..69,456,897......52.9
John McCain....173......22...................59,934,814......45.7


Let's not let the facts get in the way of the truth. :mrgreen:
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51, 53, whatever. He still didn't get more votes than Bush, which is what I was commenting on, not McCain's ineptness. *shrug*
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
:ranton:
I see nothing here that does anything to dissuade me from what I've always thought: extreme partisan conservatives and extreme partisan liberals alike need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Perhaps then all of the stupidity, the political gridlock, the finger pointing, the vengeance, and the political hackery that makes each side look idiotic would stop. Perhaps then America could be "one nation under God". Of course there are too many that are invested in anger, hate, and proving the other guy is wrong rather than looking at progress or solutions, or actually looking past their own partisan hackery to see anything.
:ranton:
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I'd rather keep escalating the conflict until guns are drawn. Its about time we had a nice little war.
 
Southern Man said:
51, 53, whatever. He still didn't get more votes than Bush, which is what I was commenting on, not McCain's ineptness. *shrug*
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You really don't have an appreciation for numbers, do you? :doh

You're comparing the results of a losing effort to a winning effort? :2funny: :2rofll: :joke:

Welllll........ McCain did get more votes (59,934,814), in his losing effort, than Bush got in his winning effort in 2000 (50,456,002). By about 9.5 million!!!

Does that make you like your boy more? :2wave:
 
ADK_Forever said:
You really don't have an appreciation for numbers, do you? :doh

You're comparing the results of a losing effort to a winning effort? :2funny: :2rofll: :joke:

Welllll........ McCain did get more votes (59,934,814), in his losing effort, than Bush got in his winning effort in 2000 (50,456,002). By about 9.5 million!!!

Does that make you like your boy more? :2wave:
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I'm not sure why you keep mentioning Mickey, except of course to deflect. But the fact remains that your Messiah got less votes than Bush did when population growth is figured in. *shrug*
 
Southern Man said:
I'm not sure why you keep mentioning Mickey, except of course to deflect. But the fact remains that your Messiah got less votes than Bush did when population growth is figured in. *shrug*
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Mouthfoaming has that effect.

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Southern Man said:
I'm not sure why you keep mentioning Mickey, except of course to deflect. But the fact remains that your Messiah got less votes than Bush did when population growth is figured in. *shrug*
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Barack Obama garnered more votes than “ANY” Presidential candidate in this country’s history, 69,456,897 votes! He got more than 7.4 million more votes than Bush’s best showing in 2004, in which Bush only won by 2.4% with 62,040,610 votes.

7.4 million!

According to the U.S. Census...
U.S. population in July 2008 is estimated at.... 303,824,640.
U.S. population in July 2004 was................... 293,655,404.

Now bear with me. We subtract the smaller number from the larger number and we get a population increase, between 2004 and 2008, of: 10,169,236.

I don't know what kind of adjustment you want to make here buuuut, this shows that with his 7.4 million vote winning margin Obama picked up approx. 72% of the population increase from '04 to '08. And he won by 5% "more" than Bush did.

That's HUUUUUGE! ;)

In other words... Obama won by a lot more than Bush did...
especially "when population growth is figured in". :2wave:

Ain't numbers grrrrrreat? They really help to keep people honest and stops them from using failed rhetoric to explain away their losing arguments. :mrgreen:
 
ADK_Forever said:
Barack Obama garnered more votes than “ANY” Presidential candidate in this country’s history, 69,456,897 votes! He got more than 7.4 million more votes than Bush’s best showing in 2004, in which Bush only won by 2.4% with 62,040,610 votes.

7.4 million!

According to the U.S. Census...
U.S. population in July 2008 is estimated at.... 303,824,640.
U.S. population in July 2004 was................... 293,655,404.

Now bear with me. We subtract the smaller number from the larger number and we get a population increase, between 2004 and 2008, of: 10,169,236.

I don't know what kind of adjustment you want to make here buuuut, this shows that with his 7.4 million vote winning margin Obama picked up approx. 72% of the population increase from '04 to '08. And he won by 5% "more" than Bush did.

That's HUUUUUGE! ;)

In other words... Obama won by a lot more than Bush did...
especially "when population growth is figured in". :2wave:

Ain't numbers grrrrrreat? They really help to keep people honest and stops them from using failed rhetoric to explain away their losing arguments. :mrgreen:
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I wonder who's talking point he was repeating.
 
ADK_Forever said:
Barack Obama garnered more votes than “ANY” Presidential candidate in this country’s history, 69,456,897 votes! He got more than 7.4 million more votes than Bush’s best showing in 2004, in which Bush only won by 2.4% with 62,040,610 votes.

7.4 million!

According to the U.S. Census...
U.S. population in July 2008 is estimated at.... 303,824,640.
U.S. population in July 2004 was................... 293,655,404.

Now bear with me. We subtract the smaller number from the larger number and we get a population increase, between 2004 and 2008, of: 10,169,236.

I don't know what kind of adjustment you want to make here buuuut, this shows that with his 7.4 million vote winning margin Obama picked up approx. 72% of the population increase from '04 to '08. And he won by 5% "more" than Bush did.

That's HUUUUUGE! ;)

In other words... Obama won by a lot more than Bush did...
especially "when population growth is figured in". :2wave:

Ain't numbers grrrrrreat? They really help to keep people honest and stops them from using failed rhetoric to explain away their losing arguments. :mrgreen:
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George Washington got all electoral votes, twice! Now get the hell outta here.
 
American said:
George Washington got all electoral votes, twice! Now get the hell outta here.
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Ahh yes. Discussing "facts" in some groups is like shining a light in a dark room full of cockroaches. :lamo
 
ADK_Forever said:
Barack Obama garnered more votes than “ANY” Presidential candidate in this country’s history, 69,456,897 votes! He got more than 7.4 million more votes than Bush’s best showing in 2004, in which Bush only won by 2.4% with 62,040,610 votes.

7.4 million!

According to the U.S. Census...
U.S. population in July 2008 is estimated at.... 303,824,640.
U.S. population in July 2004 was................... 293,655,404.

Now bear with me. We subtract the smaller number from the larger number and we get a population increase, between 2004 and 2008, of: 10,169,236.

I don't know what kind of adjustment you want to make here buuuut, this shows that with his 7.4 million vote winning margin Obama picked up approx. 72% of the population increase from '04 to '08. And he won by 5% "more" than Bush did.

That's HUUUUUGE! ;)

In other words... Obama won by a lot more than Bush did...
especially "when population growth is figured in". :2wave:

Ain't numbers grrrrrreat? They really help to keep people honest and stops them from using failed rhetoric to explain away their losing arguments. :mrgreen:
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Bam = 69,456,897

Bush = Bam – 7,4 00, 000 = 62,056897

Bam = 69,456,897/303,824,640.= 0.22861 x100%=22.861% of population

Bush= 62,056897/293,655,404 = 0.2113 x100% =21.13% of population

22.861-21.13=1.731

Bam got 1,731% of population more than Bush,

paying how much more for each vote ?____________ somebody fill in the blank, please

having how much more agitation in the media?___________ nobody can fill in the blank


If to bring money spent and media support to a common denominator Bam is in a total loss in comparison to Bush.

Bush did mistakes…and he was able to make efforts to correct them. The way war in Iraq/afganistan was conducted was his loss and he corrected it and it seems like we are at victory in iraq, the intelligence report posted by don1 says about taking AlQuada down by a half.

His bail out is one of most unforgivable blunders, but it seems if he was still the POTUS he would change and correct. BTW why the media has silenced him down, like he is dead, right or wrong?

BTW why the media has silenced him down, like he is dead, right or wrong?
BTW why the media has silenced him down, like he is dead, right or wrong?
BTW why the media has silenced him down, like he is dead, right or wrong?

What does he have to say about Bam’s stimulus? Bam has no ability to see or correct mistakes. Bam is a total loss. All he can do is - keep on going, and going, and going … on the same path...like that rabbit by Duracell.

YouTube - My Duracell Drumming Rabbit gone crazy
I would like to say it is all in math. But I cannot. It is just a 4th grade arithmetics, - Bams do not rise even to the level of the 4th grade of an elementary school.

What a loss.
 
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ADK_Forever said:
Ahh yes. Discussing "facts" in some groups is like shining a light in a dark room full of cockroaches. :lamo
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You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the ass.
 
justone said:
Bam got 1,731% of population more than Bush
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Thank you for more accurately proving my point. :mrgreen:

As far as thinking that Bush would change anything in his Presidency... don't kid yourself. The man can't even admit he made one mistake during those disastrous 8 years. He wouldn't pardon that traitorous liar Libby even with Cheney breathing fire down his back! He would nev-ver change one single decision he ever made.

Admitting a mistake and then changing it takes strength. It takes courage. It takes integrity. Bush is too much of a coward.
 
zimmer said:
Moi. LOL

I don't fantasize about executing the opponents, and then print it on the internet.
Th- th-th-th-th-that's R-r-r-r-ridiculous Folks!

"extreme partisan conservatives... need to be wiped off the face of the earth."
Your words.

I don't find conservatism extreme.
I don't find partisan conservatives extreme.

I find political executions of your opponents extreme and ridiculous.
You on the other hand:

and then onto the clip above about extermination.

You have claimed socialists should be at the table, so you believe they have something of value to offer. You have some socialist tendencies, as the brunt of the Democrats elected are socialists. It's how you get all but Seven democrats voting for the latest Trillion Dollar wonder.

von Mises called his collegues socialists, and I'd think he would see both the democrats as socialists and anyone believeing their ideas worth following to have socialist tendencies.

That's you.

You want them at the table.
Or do you want to execute the Democrats and Obama?
You called for the culling.
Not me.

I don't think in those terms.
I prefer to defeat opponents at the ballot box espousing conservatism.

JFK (R-MA) wouldn't make it to the D's table today.

You know what. Does what you write have any meaning?
You don't think today's democrats are socialists? LOL.
So you don't want them at the table?


You want the socialists at the table. You think killing off parts of the political spectrum acceptable. For what other than so we all get along and get something bipartisan done?


LOL


How about a crack at the following for once?
Or are you at a loss?
Sunk in your moment of "extremism"?
Or is executing people for their political beliefs normal?
Not extreme?

So:

1. Your theory, does it mean you play executioner to Obama?

2. Executioner to the Democrat Caucus minus Lieberman?

3. What is an extreme conservative?
You want them exterminated, so what is one?

4. Show me one instance socialism has worked.
(You can keep buying time... keep searching... you want these failures at the table... why?)

5. Why do you want to inculcate our society with failure?
Because it's a Miss America Pageant thing to do?
It feels good that we all get along?
Are you Rodney King per chance?
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No quotes, not dice. As seems to be your style, you straw man and present nothing of accuracy. Standard fare for folks like you. And your soapboxing is getting more ridiculous in each and every post...in fact it is so irrelevant, I've stopped reading the foolishness. When you can post the quotes that prove the things you are accusing me of, then I will address your questions.

Show the quotes or admit you were wrong. Then we can move on.
 
Moderator's Warning:
American. Knock off the trolling/attacks.
 
ADK_Forever said:
Barack Obama garnered more votes than “ANY” Presidential candidate in this country’s history, 69,456,897 votes! He got more than 7.4 million more votes than Bush’s best showing in 2004, in which Bush only won by 2.4% with 62,040,610 votes.

7.4 million!

According to the U.S. Census...
U.S. population in July 2008 is estimated at.... 303,824,640.
U.S. population in July 2004 was................... 293,655,404.

Now bear with me. We subtract the smaller number from the larger number and we get a population increase, between 2004 and 2008, of: 10,169,236.

I don't know what kind of adjustment you want to make here buuuut, this shows that with his 7.4 million vote winning margin Obama picked up approx. 72% of the population increase from '04 to '08. And he won by 5% "more" than Bush did.

That's HUUUUUGE! ;)

In other words... Obama won by a lot more than Bush did...
especially "when population growth is figured in". :2wave:

Ain't numbers grrrrrreat? They really help to keep people honest and stops them from using failed rhetoric to explain away their losing arguments. :mrgreen:
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Your numbers are wrong, but so was I. The last time I did this calculation was shortly after the election, and the results were probably not complete at that time. I'm not sure what your excuse is though:

Obama 2008 66,882,230 http://www.infoplease.com/us/government/presidential-election-vote-summary.html
Bush 2004 62,028,285 http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922901.html

US Population 2004 292,892,127; 2008 304,059,724 Detailed Tables - American FactFinder

Obama 08 22.00% of population, Bush 04 21.18% of population.

(22.00-21.18)/ 21.08 = 3.87%, not 5% as you stated, and hardly “huge”.
 
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What's the purpose of this mischaracterization of my argument?
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I may have misunderstood you. I though you meant one person in your comment. That's what I responded to. No mischaracterization.
 
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