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Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

Just another broken campaign promise of Obama. He promised transparnecy, open door meetings. Another lie by Obamam!
 
Apparently the Democrats.

They are the ones arguing that opponents of this bill are proposing to do nothing. That lie was so egregious that even the fawning media called Obama on it.

They are the ones playing the fearmongering game arguing that we need this bill immediately to avoid another Great Depression despite the economic indicators (e.g., unemployment) suggesting that this recession is milder than those of the last 25 years let alone remotely approaching Great Depression status.

They are the ones arguing that opposition to this bill is petty political grievances (see Obama).

They are the ones dearly hanging onto the idea that 60% plus of this money being spent in FY 2010 and later constitutes immediate economic stimulus.

Come on...you're not going to argue that the Republicans are displaying a lack of bipartisanship and give the Democrats a free pass, are you?

If so, you're as intellectually dishonest as Pete is.

Wow, you got all of that from one question.

What' your favorite color? :rofl
 
Just another broken campaign promise of Obama. He promised transparnecy, open door meetings. Another lie by Obamam!

Was he in those meetings?
 
Wow, you got all of that from one question.

What' your favorite color? :rofl

I didn't get anything. He posted a comment. I asked what it meant. I posted what I thought it meant.

Forgive me... :roll:
 
I didn't get anything. He posted a comment. I asked what it meant. I posted what I thought it meant.

Forgive me... :roll:

I was the one you quoted.
 
True and he is the party leader. Well, next to Nancy Pelosi.

No, Obama is the party leader no matter Ms. Pelosi's delusions of grandeur.

Just clarifyin'.
 
Doesn't matter. He promised more transparency in his government.

Fail.

How do you propose he control the Speaker of the House?
 
I was the one you quoted.

:rofl

I got lost among threads...thought I was responding in another thread.

Noentheless, I responded to your question and drew an implication from it.

Are you dissatisfied?

How do you propose he control the Speaker of the House?

I don't expect him to control the Speaker. I would expect him, based on his campaign promise to impose greater transparency, to publicly criticize such non-transparency.
 
:rofl

I got lost among threads...thought I was responding in another thread.

Noentheless, I responded to your question and drew an implication from it.

Are you dissatisfied?



I don't expect him to control the Speaker. I would expect him, based on his campaign promise to impose greater transparency, to publicly criticize such non-transparency.

I understand. Perhaps he tried to reach out and compromise and quickly found out that they weren't interested in compromise and said screw 'em.
 
I understand. Perhaps he tried to reach out and compromise and quickly found out that they weren't interested in compromise and said screw 'em.

Perhaps he tried? How about we find out first if a) he did try; and b) whether he was willing to compromise before we go off suggesting that Republicans had frustrated bipartisanship and compromise.
 
Perhaps he tried? How about we find out first if a) he did try; and b) whether he was willing to compromise before we go off suggesting that Republicans had frustrated bipartisanship and compromise.

He met with them. Tax cuts were put into the package.
 
He met with them. Tax cuts were put into the package.

Tax cuts were always going to part of the stimulus package. Obama campaigned also on reducing taxes and acknowledged before the election that raising taxes in this economic climate were be harmful to the economy.

Please do not pretend that the inclusion of tax cuts in this bill represent any sort of compromise on Obama's part, particularly given Obama's complete dishonesty in arguing that opponents were proposing doing nothing. :roll:
 
Can you explain what Tax cuts are in this package and provide a source? I haven't seen them or have seen anyone quantify them.

It seems that there isn't a copy of the bill online.
 
It seems that there isn't a copy of the bill online.

You claimed there were tax cuts in the bill. I naturally assumed that you must have a source for your comments. I stand corrected.

So what is apparent is there are a LOT of claims as to what is contained in the 1,400 plus page bill, but no one has actually spent any time to review it to see what is actually contained in the bill; and we should vote on it before another minute is lost.

:roll:
 
According to Change.gov:

End the Practice of Writing Legislation Behind Closed Doors: As president, Barack Obama will restore the American people's trust in their government by making government more open and transparent. Obama will work to reform congressional rules to require all legislative sessions, including committee mark-ups and conference committees, to be conducted in public. By making these practices public, the American people will be able to hold their leaders accountable for wasteful spending and lawmakers won't be able to slip favors for lobbyists into bills at the last minute.

Considering what's been going on, why isn't Obama condemning what Pelosi/Reid are doing?

He can't control it, but he CAN call for it to stop. He has not.
 
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