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16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his land

jujuman13

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I believe the point these Illegal Immigrants are missing is that Trespassing is an illegal act.
It is to be hoped that the court will not only throw out this case but will also deem it vexatious and fine the Lawyers who brought the case.
 
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Don't these illegals understand the concept of private property? It isn't as if Mexico doesn't have that concept as well or anything.

1. They illegally crossed the border in the first place.
2. The property owner has the right to regulate access to his land.

Frivilous lawsuit indicative of the lawyers' belief that people don't really have private property rights.
 
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Washington Times - 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher

I believe the point these Illegal Immigrants are missing is that Trespassing is an illegal act.
It is to be hoped that the court will not only throw out this case but will also deem it vexatious and fine the Lawyers who brought the case.

I agree. They have no business suing and the rat lawyer should be fined.This is no different than a burglar suing a home owner because him injured himself or because the homeowner shot him.
 
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Washington Times - 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher

I believe the point these Illegal Immigrants are missing is that Trespassing is an illegal act.
It is to be hoped that the court will not only throw out this case but will also deem it vexatious and fine the Lawyers who brought the case.

JUJUMAN,did I see a statement in the Washington Times story that mentioned a very socialist judge deciding,"this has to be heard by a jury" ? I think I also read that these are immigrants even though they entered illegaly,and immigrants have rights, even when trespassing. Welcome to an out of control justice system. I would vote for a lynching of a judge if these swimmers,(I`m fairly sure the river is wide and deep at that point on the border) win their multi multi million dollar lawsuit. Mexicans seem like real nice people, but they don`t always live by the laws we are governed by. I`m haveing a lot of missgivings about this one. We already know how the ultra-liberals feel about this one, How about the rest of you ?:confused:
 
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Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

Don't these illegals understand the concept of private property? It isn't as if Mexico doesn't have that concept as well or anything.

1. They illegally crossed the border in the first place.
2. The property owner has the right to regulate access to his land.

The court case would have gone through and most likely have had been won by them if it was Britain. One thing i want to say and one thing only: Political Correctness. A load of bollocks.
 
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JUJUMAN,did I see a statement in the Washington Times story that mentioned a very socialist judge deciding,"this has to be heard by a jury" ? I think I also read that these are immigrants even though they entered illegaly,and immigrants have rights, even when trespassing. Welcome to an out of control justice system. I would vote for a lynching of a judge if these swimmers,(I`m fairly sure the river is wide and deep at that point on the border) win their multi multi million dollar lawsuit. Mexicans seem like real nice people, but they don`t always live by the laws we are governed by. I`m haveing a lot of missgivings about this one. We already know how the ultra-liberals feel about this one, How about the rest of you ?:confused:

While I agree that the immigrants were in the wrong, I think it's asinine to say that they do not have rights. They are human beings, much like you and I.
 
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While I agree that the immigrants were in the wrong, I think it's asinine to say that they do not have rights. They are human beings, much like you and I.

We're talking about land rights here, not human rights. If they entered a country on an illegal basis they are not subjected to be protected by the laws of the land, but are subjected to be persecuted under them. So kick them out of the country. They have no right to be there therefore they are not subjected to the national rights of the people.
 
Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

We're talking about land rights here, not human rights. If they entered a country on an illegal basis they are not subjected to be protected by the laws of the land, but are subjected to be persecuted under them. So kick them out of the country. They have no right to be there therefore they are not subjected to the national rights of the people.
Though you may not be, I was talking about human rights.
 
Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

Under AZ law it is legal to hold a person who has committed a felony with the threat of violence... or otherwise.

Them crossing the border illegally onto his land was a felony.
 
Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

While I agree that the immigrants were in the wrong, I think it's asinine to say that they do not have rights. They are human beings, much like you and I.

Most excellant point, but they do need to repect the rights of the humans they encounter along the path of their illegal immigration. I live in Little Mexico...south east Nashville, I`ve had my quality of life shot to hell as a result of 200,000 of these people with human rights. We can`t afford the cost of the entire worlds human rights. I want everyone in the world to have a happy and prosperous life. America alone can`t make this happen. The land owner trying to protect himself and his family can`t make it happen either. The stupid judge on this case is setting fire to the efforts of others attempting to provide human rights to all. Stretching the judges neck, in this case, would do more for human rights than handing 32 million dollars to a bunch of illegals who repeatedly deny this land owner his rights.
 
Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

Under AZ law it is legal to hold a person who has committed a felony with the threat of violence... or otherwise.

Them crossing the border illegally onto his land was a felony.

The land owner has used great restraint in only [holding] the illegals/felons. I do agree that they deserve to be allowed to go on liveing , but do it in Mexico. We can`t take anymore.... There is a fat GOP who wants more,(cheap lawn care), but we can`t handle anymore. Thanks Steve.
 
Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

While I agree that the immigrants were in the wrong, I think it's asinine to say that they do not have rights. They are human beings, much like you and I.
That's right, but they shouldn't suing landowners. He has a right to protect his property, and didn't harm the illegals when he turned them over to authorities.
 
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We're talking about land rights here, not human rights. If they entered a country on an illegal basis they are not subjected to be protected by the laws of the land, but are subjected to be persecuted under them. So kick them out of the country. They have no right to be there therefore they are not subjected to the national rights of the people.

This is completely incorrect.

Under AZ law it is legal to hold a person who has committed a felony with the threat of violence... or otherwise.

Them crossing the border illegally onto his land was a felony.

Link for either of those claims?

That's right, but they shouldn't suing landowners. He has a right to protect his property, and didn't harm the illegals when he turned them over to authorities.

That's not what they claim:

Attorneys for the 16 people who were trying to cross into the U.S. illegally accuse Roger Barnett of holding a gun on the group, threatening them with his dog and also threatening to shoot anyone who tried to escape, according to a news release from the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

The group also said Barnett kicked one of the women in the group when she was on the ground.

And for those of you who claim that this guy was just defending his land - he's not exactly new to being sued for his actions:

Today, the Arizona Supreme Court rejected the appeal of border vigilante Roger Barnett who was found liable by a jury after assaulting a family of Latino U.S. citizens while they were hunting on state land in southern Arizona. The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which represents the plaintiffs in the case, urged the Supreme Court to reject Barnett’s appeal and argued that the jury had rightfully found Barnett at fault for his vicious attack upon the family.

The Morales family and Emma English, a family friend, filed suit after Barnett confronted them on state leased land in November 2004, while they were on a family hunting trip. Armed with a semi-automatic military-style assault rifle, Barnett held the family at gunpoint, cursed and screamed racial slurs at them and threatened to kill them all. The jury heard the testimony of three young girls, all under the age of 12 at the time, that vividly described the event and the trauma they suffered at the hands of Barnett. The jury ultimately awarded the family $100,000 in damages, which Barnett must pay now that the Supreme Court has rejected his appeal.

So this guy has been found liable for damages before when he went onto state land, held a family of US CITIZENS at gunpoint because he thought they were illegal immigrants, and threatened to kill them.

He sounds like a grade A scumbag.
 
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What's with the calls to fine the lawyer? Are you all against a fair justice system now?

Disgusting.
 
Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

Don't these illegals understand the concept of private property? It isn't as if Mexico doesn't have that concept as well or anything.
:rofl

That is rich coming from you who have several times shown yourself the enemy of private property.
 
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Though you may not be, I was talking about human rights.

What are these? Except a load of liberal, abstract bollocks of course.

As Joseph De Maistre pointed out, he had never met a "Man" ie a Human. He'd met Frenchman, Germans, Englishmen and he'd even heard of a Persian but never met a man.
 
Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

When the judges don't do anything to protect the rights of trespassing private property owned by US citizens, I see completely legal the reaction of the US citizens to make the law be fulfilled in their properties with their own methods.

I will also kick any moving body in my land if doesn't obey my order to stop until police arrives and take the trespassers.

And about the judge with "his way of sentencing justice", I sure shall send him to Mexico to live and work over there, because after all, such is that with Mexicans his personal identification appears to be:coffeepap.
 
Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

When the judges don't do anything to protect the rights of trespassing private property owned by US citizens, I see completely legal the reaction of the US citizens to make the law be fulfilled in their properties with their own methods.

So call the cops. You don't get to beat the **** out of someone for having walked across your yard.

I will also kick any moving body in my land if doesn't obey my order to stop until police arrives and take the trespassers.

And I will laugh my dick off when you get sued.

And about the judge with "his way of sentencing justice", I sure shall send him to Mexico to live and work over there, because after all, such is that with Mexicans his personal identification appears to be:coffeepap.

No you won't.

Again, did you just gloss over the fact that the guy got in trouble once before for holding up US CITIZENS on STATE PROPERTY and threatening to kill them? This guy doesn't sound like the average joe trying to protect his family, he's a ****ing piece of **** racist who probably laughs with his other redneck retard buddies about going out and hunting spics.

**** him, and I'm glad his stupid ass faces this suit on top of the $100k he already got ordered to pay. Maybe he'll learn a ****ing lesson from this, doubtful as that is.
 
Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

People who were committing an illegal activity(trespassing the border) can sue people who live here legally(the rancher) for an act which is under America law legal(regulating access to your property).

America is a great country.

.....And....holy **** that is funny.
 
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Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

People who were committing an illegal activity(trespassing the border) can sue people who live here legally(the rancher) for an act which is under America law legal(regulating access to your property).

America is a great country.

.....And....holy **** that is funny.

Regulating access to your property is completely legal. Threatening to kill someone and kicking a woman while she's down on the ground are not, nor is trespassing on state property and holding US citizens hostage.
 
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As I said here many times> Vote ALL of our politicans OUT of OFFICE for tiptoeing around the illegals and for kissing their ASS' for votes!
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Our POLITICANS are :kissass their ASS' so
to our POLITICANS :kissassKISS MY TRUE BLUE AMERICAN ASS TOO:kissass
 
Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

What's with the calls to fine the lawyer? Are you all against a fair justice system now?

Disgusting.
You think the lawyer is concerned with justice?
 
Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

People who were committing an illegal activity(trespassing the border) can sue people who live here legally(the rancher) for an act which is under America law legal(regulating access to your property).

America is a great country.

.....And....holy **** that is funny.
Why do you think everything is funny? You think losing sovereignty is funny?
 
Re: 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher Claim violation of rights as they crossed his lan

Why do you think everything is funny? You think losing sovereignty is funny?

Yawn @ Losing sovereignty. Save the hysterics and rhetoric for when Mexican illegals are taking over Washington D.C.
 
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You think the lawyer is concerned with justice?

Lawyers are bound to justice by the dictates of their oath... RIGHT ? RIGHT...? Please say yes. NO! They are bound to their wallets! :doh BTW soveriegnty is vital to the diversity that fertilizes truely strong economies. WE globalized, took away the diversity(soveriegnty),and wooosh..., economy down the toilet. In light of this glareing proof most wouldn`t have it any other way. Globalism = great gobs of money...more,more,more, at all cost, for the money whore. :( The globalist repubs in Brentwood Tennessee can`t get enough of those lawn care pro`s from south of the border... CHEAP, CHEAP. The repubs will probably want to pay the prosecutors fees in this case....
 
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