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China hammers dissent despite looming UN review

Just FYI DP is available in China. You can use this website to test any domain you'd like.

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earthworm said:
This will take time.
We must learn patience
We must clean our own house before worrying about China....from whom we can learn a lot..
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What can we learn from China? How to arrest peaceful people and put them in jail because of what they believe in? Can we learn how to invade neighboring countries and incorporating them into ours at the point of a gun? Can we learn from them how to threaten other neighboring countries to join them, or else? Can we learn from them how to support some of the most despicable states in the world including DPRK, Burma, Sudan, and Zimbabwe - among many others.

If you are referring to CULTURE, no argument. But their internal politics and international relations is NOT something ANYONE should strive to emulate.
 
Kernel Sanders said:
Just FYI DP is available in China. You can use this website to test any domain you'd like.

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BUT, if anyone posts from there, they need to tow the party line or else they risk detention like a myriad of other cyber dissidents in the country.
 
Kernel Sanders said:
Just FYI DP is available in China. You can use this website to test any domain you'd like.

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If you are really interested I can show you how that does not mean jack... The site can resolve, the site can be pinged, the site can be trace routed, however the content can still be blocked.


This is a test from one of there servers in china is my guess, the company could be exempt as many foreign companies are.

in otherwords this proves little actually.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
If you are really interested I can show you how that does not mean jack... The site can resolve, the site can be pinged, the site can be trace routed, however the content can still be blocked.


This is a test from one of there servers in china is my guess, the company could be exempt as many foreign companies are.

in otherwords this proves little actually.
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The site appears to actually request the page and not just ping the server. The size of the response is very similar, and almost identical to the result I got when testing with wget (72363 bytes), which gives me the front page. The Chinese firewall blocks by IP, so if the front page is available the entire site should be. I don't know anything about exemptions, so it could very well be that this company gets special treatment. It would be pretty stupid for the company to do that, though, because they could just forward the request to any random Chinese person's home PC and get perfectly accurate test results.

I just don't think we're on the Chinese government's radar. The internet is a big place and the .cn TLD is the second biggest (after .com of course). If we start getting Chinese members I wouldn't be surprised if we got blocked, but with little or no traffic going to China I doubt the censors have ever wandered to our corner of the web.
 
Kernel Sanders said:
The site appears to actually request the page and not just ping the server. The size of the response is very similar, and almost identical to the result I got when testing with wget (72363 bytes), which gives me the front page. The Chinese firewall blocks by IP, so if the front page is available the entire site should be. I don't know anything about exemptions, so it could very well be that this company gets special treatment. It would be pretty stupid for the company to do that, though, because they could just forward the request to any random Chinese person's home PC and get perfectly accurate test results.

I just don't think we're on the Chinese government's radar. The internet is a big place and the .cn TLD is the second biggest (after .com of course). If we start getting Chinese members I wouldn't be surprised if we got blocked, but with little or no traffic going to China I doubt the censors have ever wandered to our corner of the web.
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Who knows..... And like others said, it is random as well.


You bring up good points though, But like I said, Unless I am sitting at a starbucks in beijing typing in this website, who knows.
 
creativedreams said:
Can you tell me a little more on this and their purpose?
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I have seen several sites that I do not frequent anymore where pro-China spammers continually spread their pro-China propoganda. Some were banned for being obvious propoganda agents. Unfortunately, I don't have any details because I was not an admin on any of those sites.
 
ludahai said:
What can we learn from China? How to arrest peaceful people and put them in jail because of what they believe in? Can we learn how to invade neighboring countries and incorporating them into ours at the point of a gun? Can we learn from them how to threaten other neighboring countries to join them, or else? Can we learn from them how to support some of the most despicable states in the world including DPRK, Burma, Sudan, and Zimbabwe - among many others.
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Ahh yes the usual bull**** I hate China speech.
As to answer all your questions, yes, as well as teaching China how to commit genocide, how to invade a foreign nation just for the hell of it, how to piss on our own laws without any consequences, how to segregate and deny rights to anyone who's a minority; and even how to train terrorists that turn around to bite us in our own ass.

ludahai said:
If you are referring to CULTURE, no argument. But their internal politics and international relations is NOT something ANYONE should strive to emulate.
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They've attacked foreign nations just for the hell of it now? If you want to just focus on the bad go right ahead, but at least be equal and honest in your assessments.
Every country has it's skeletons, but you're so filled with vial hatred of China that no matter what they do it can never be good.
 
ludahai said:
BUT, if anyone posts from there, they need to tow the party line or else they risk detention like a myriad of other cyber dissidents in the country.
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That is utterly baseless bull****.
They don't give two ****s about it, not even if you posted a huge banner on the streets protesting corruption no one is going to burst into your house.
China today is by no longer the cultural revolution fear house it was 30+ years ago; but that doesn't matter because it suits your goals of playing on ignorance of people who have not been there before.
You sir are a liar.
 
ludahai said:
I have seen several sites that I do not frequent anymore where pro-China spammers continually spread their pro-China propoganda. Some were banned for being obvious propoganda agents. Unfortunately, I don't have any details because I was not an admin on any of those sites.
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Right, because of course, it's impossible for Chinese citizens to love their country, if they post anything that's pro-china it has to be because they are either spammers or have been brainwashed or are under survelience.
You have nothing but vial hatred.

Why don't you post some real news? Like something big going on in Taiwan huh? Yeah, that's all this thread is, nothing but an attempt to turn attention away from the real big news.
 
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Kernel Sanders said:
I just don't think we're on the Chinese government's radar. The internet is a big place and the .cn TLD is the second biggest (after .com of course). If we start getting Chinese members I wouldn't be surprised if we got blocked, but with little or no traffic going to China I doubt the censors have ever wandered to our corner of the web.
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DP and most personal public web forums really aren't on the radar of anyone.
China's firewall couldn't give two ****s about what is posted on this site or others like it.
That NYTIMES, CNN, Washington Post, CNN aren't even blocked in itself says just how little they care.
As if people in China don't know about the firewall that blocks content? As if the people in China are so ignorant or need foreigners telling them of the injustices of their own nation? Go visit and see for yourself of just how maoist China is, go to any US university and see how maoist or how brainwashed the Chinese are. Just a bit Americacentric.
People here seem to think that Chinese have no idea about the outside world, their all brainwashed. The reality couldn't be farther from the truth. I don't know about how it is towards Europe, but I can confidently say that your average Chinese knows far more about the US than your average American knows about China.
 
I live in Nanjing, China (though I'm currently in SE Asia) where I study full time. I have no problem accessing DP, ever.

Most people don't understand the Chinese firewall because they have been fed a lot of propaganda in foreign countries. The purpose of internet monitoring in China is to monitor the CHINESE. They could give a toss what the foreigners do. They don't even check foreigners' bags at the airport. You can download porn, movies, rip mp3s, even post to a politics site in English that bashes the Chinese government. They do not care. Given the amount of anti-PRC rhetoric spewed on here by the die hards, this site would be censored immediately if the Chinese government even gave a damn. They don't.

The reason why barely any Chinese people post here is because it is an English site and the level of English used here is very advanced. People in China can also access the New York Times and a lot of Western papers via the net, but do you think most do? No. They're in English.

The Chinese gov. monitors things that are a threat... and DP is not.
 
Tashah said:
I know the IPs of every DP member.

I can't think of even one who regularly posts from mainland China.

Very strange for such an "open country" with a billion people.
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Hmmm, Orius?
 
Orius said:
I live in Nanjing, China (though I'm currently in SE Asia) where I study full time. I have no problem accessing DP, ever.

Most people don't understand the Chinese firewall because they have been fed a lot of propaganda in foreign countries. The purpose of internet monitoring in China is to monitor the CHINESE. They could give a toss what the foreigners do. They don't even check foreigners' bags at the airport. You can download porn, movies, rip mp3s, even post to a politics site in English that bashes the Chinese government. They do not care. Given the amount of anti-PRC rhetoric spewed on here by the die hards, this site would be censored immediately if the Chinese government even gave a damn. They don't.

The reason why barely any Chinese people post here is because it is an English site and the level of English used here is very advanced. People in China can also access the New York Times and a lot of Western papers via the net, but do you think most do? No. They're in English.

The Chinese gov. monitors things that are a threat... and DP is not.
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You're just brainwashed by Chinese propaganda or under duress.
 
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