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Judge clears dead Texas man of rape conviction

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And this is the State we trust with the largest number of execution in the US including the illegal denial of consultation with consul for Mexican citizens on death row in the State. Yeah, right.

AUSTIN, Texas – A man who died in prison while serving time for a rape he didn't commit was cleared Friday by a judge who called the state's first posthumous DNA exoneration "the saddest case" he'd ever seen.
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One of the reasons i do not support Death penalty. How does Texas plan to make it up to him? Raise him from the dead?
 
Laila said:
One of the reasons i do not support Death penalty. How does Texas plan to make it up to him? Raise him from the dead?
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This guy didn't get the death penalty, but the article doesn't make clear if his incarceration contributed to his death in prison or not.

I am not against capital punishment, but there must be substantially more evidence than is apparently used in Texas and all proper forms most be followed (which was NOT the case in the situations with the Mexicans - and who knows who else). Texas is too quick to kill - and sadly, there are some on here who are also too quick to kill. Incontrovertable evidence, I have no problem with capital punishment, but if there is ANY doubt at all, it should not be applied.
 
ludahai said:
Texas is too quick to kill - and sadly, there are some on here who are also too quick to kill. Incontrovertable evidence, I have no problem with capital punishment, but if there is ANY doubt at all, it should not be applied.
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You're right but this is depressing his incarceration probably contributed in some way to his death, it would take a long time for someone to get life in UK and they usually get a hearing again after a few years.

Im against capital punishment, i think its barbaric
 
Laila said:
You're right but this is depressing his incarceration probably contributed in some way to his death, it would take a long time for someone to get life in UK and they usually get a hearing again after a few years.

Im against capital punishment, i think its barbaric
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Hopefully, the increased use of DNA evidence will make such mistakes a thing of the past. However, I believe there IS a place for capital punishment, but as I have indicated, I place a higher standard on evidence than apparently many US states (especially Texas does) as well as a higher standard than some of our more gung ho death penalty supporters on DP.
 
ludahai said:
Hopefully, the increased use of DNA evidence will make such mistakes a thing of the past.
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Hopefully yes but mistakes may always be made.
 
Laila said:
One of the reasons i do not support Death penalty. How does Texas plan to make it up to him? Raise him from the dead?
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You can`t make it up to anyone in this case, but the clowns who put together the fraudulent , or wrongful conviction need to be punished,...never to judge again, law license pulled, serious jail time if anything beyond error can be proven. I think Tennessee is number one (somewhere near the top), in wrongful convictions. In the event of circumstantial evidence or spurious witness ( felon trash giving testimony for favor,etc.) The death penalty should never be available. Caught red handed...,fry the felon if a 1st degree murder was his or her crime. The chick turned christian a few years back (multiple pick ax strikes to the head neck and torso...covered with blood) that kind need to go to never never land, never to kill again, nor eat another prison meal.
 
Laila said:
Hopefully yes but mistakes may always be made.
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There are so, so many cases where they refuse, or disallow, or refuse to examin evidence or even fail to collect it ,that its criminal on the part of the courts and cops . Judges and lawyers rank right up there with doctors who practice so badly that people die. We glorify doctors, lawyers, judges, politicians and many other such professionals that WE set some of this up ourselves in our social values and structure. It truely is our fault in a real sense that there are more than 300,000 wrongful deaths per year in Amercan hospitals( highest rate in the world)...we glorify the hell out of the quack doctor simply because it says MD behind his name or RN behind her name. We DO turn a blind eye or deaf ear to most of our shortcomings, especialy if its us the light is focussed on.
 
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1985... DNA wasn't the happening thing back then. This is why we improve how things are done. This is a sad case, but it's also... sadly part of having a criminal justice system.
 
ludahai said:
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And this is the State we trust with the largest number of execution in the US including the illegal denial of consultation with consul for Mexican citizens on death row in the State. Yeah, right.
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What does this case have to do with the man who raped and murdered little girls? Absolutely nothing.
 
Well you all know how to fix this. We start requiring DNA samples in order to get government identification and services. If you aren't in the system then you don't get services. That way we have a database set up and when a crime is committed you just run a search.

But that would be too much of an invasion of privacy for some of our more touchy feely members.
 
danarhea said:
What does this case have to do with the man who raped and murdered little girls? Absolutely nothing.
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I think the point is how crooked and retarded the Texas Justice system is.
 
danarhea said:
What does this case have to do with the man who raped and murdered little girls? Absolutely nothing.
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It has everything to do with a state that does not follow the law and does not respect the rights of defendants, and in this case, clearly convicted the wrong man. People like you are in such a rush to kill people that you escapes you that there is a reason this should be done slowly, deliberately, and following ALL PROPER RULES AND PROCEDURES. This is to ensure with as much care as humanly possible that we don't execute an innocent person.
 
It's so fun to watch people get excited over cases like this. It's 24 years old. There is a huge tragedy here, but that's why we STRIVE to improve things, to keep such from happening again.
 
I don't consider the fact that innocent people might be put to death as enough of a reason to not execute people found guilty of murder.

Any more than the fact that people will be killed if we go to war. They are all innocent too.
 
If this man has any family? I bet they will sue?
 
Laila said:
One of the reasons i do not support Death penalty. How does Texas plan to make it up to him? Raise him from the dead?
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I don't understand why people keep on bringing up the death penalty or capital punishment - the guy was not executed by the state, nor was he on death row. This has nothing to do with the death penalty.


Rodney said:
You can`t make it up to anyone in this case, but the clowns who put together the fraudulent , or wrongful conviction need to be punished,...never to judge again, law license pulled, serious jail time if anything beyond error can be proven.
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I always hear people say this, but nobody can ever explain why it's the DA/Judge's fault. I'm assuming that in good faith, they took the facts that they had, brought them to a jury, and did their jobs. How the hell were they supposed to have known that this guy was innocent?

Hatuey said:
I think the point is how crooked and retarded the Texas Justice system is.
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Again, what about this is Texas's fault in particular? Texas has had FAR fewer convictions overturned per capita than states like IL, OK, MO, MA, MT, etc.

ludahai said:
It has everything to do with a state that does not follow the law and does not respect the rights of defendants, and in this case, clearly convicted the wrong man. People like you are in such a rush to kill people that you escapes you that there is a reason this should be done slowly, deliberately, and following ALL PROPER RULES AND PROCEDURES. This is to ensure with as much care as humanly possible that we don't execute an innocent person.
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1) Again, nobody was in a rush to kill anyone, because the death penalty wasn't even discussed.

2) Where on earth are you getting support for your claim that they:

a) "Didn't respect the rights" of the D, or
b) "Didn't follow all proper rules and procedures"

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RightinNYC said:
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1) Again, nobody was in a rush to kill anyone, because the death penalty wasn't even discussed.

2) Where on earth are you getting support for your claim that they:

a) "Didn't respect the rights" of the D, or
b) "Didn't follow all proper rules and procedures"

?
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Except that this is a State that we already know has denied the right of someone who WAS executed the right to contact representatives of his government.

We also know that throughout the South, there are corrupt police officers as well as prosecutors who simply want to pad their numbers. This is the reality. Does this make me anti-death penalty? By no means. However, we have to be more careful in its application.
 
RightinNYC said:
Again, what about this is Texas's fault in particular? Texas has had FAR fewer convictions overturned per capita than states like IL, OK, MO, MA, MT, etc.
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Source............?
 
ludahai said:
Except that this is a State that we already know has denied the right of someone who WAS executed the right to contact representatives of his government.
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While I agree with you that the decision in Medallin was troubling, it was a procedural question that had absolutely nothing to do with his guilt and would not have changed the outcome of the case in any way.

We also know that throughout the South, there are corrupt police officers as well as prosecutors who simply want to pad their numbers.
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Link? Any evidence that it's worse there than anywhere else?

This is the reality. Does this make me anti-death penalty? By no means. However, we have to be more careful in its application.
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I agree. But I don't know why that's relevant here, because this case had nothing to do with the death penalty.

Hatuey said:
Source............?
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The Innocence Project - Know the Cases: National View
 
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