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Officials say tentative stimulus deal reached

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Officials say tentative stimulus deal reached

Amid stunning new job losses and yet another bank failure, key senators and the White House reached tentative agreement Friday night on an economic stimulus measure at the heart of President Barack Obama's recovery plan. Two officials said the emerging agreement was for a bill with a $780 billion price tag, but there was no immediate confirmation.

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Officials strongly suggested that Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's vote would be needed to assure passage. The Massachusetts Democrat, battling a brain tumor, has been in Florida in recent days and has not been in the Capitol since suffering a seizure on Inauguration Day more than two weeks ago. The senator's office did not comment.

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At $780 billion, the legislation would be smaller than the measure that cleared the House on a party-line vote last week. It also would mean a sharp cut from the bill that has been the subject of Senate debate for a week. That measure stood at $937 billion.

Beyond the numbers, though, any agreement would mark a victory for the new president and would keep Democratic leaders on track to fulfill their promise of delivering him a bill to sign by the end of next week.

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Democrats in Congress decided to add additional huge sums for the states struggling with the recession, as well as billions more for favored programs such as parks, the repair of monuments in federal cemeteries, health and science research and more.
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It will be interesting to see what stuff survived the cuts.
 
Democrats in Congress decided to add additional huge sums for the states struggling with the recession, as well as billions more for favored programs such as parks, the repair of monuments in federal cemeteries, health and science research and more.
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Of course. 'Coz that's all about stimulus.
 
For those of you who argue that this is a spending bill as opposed to a stimulus bill, I offer this from Steve Pearlstein, who I personally think is incredibly smart and savvy when it comes to money issues.

"This is not a stimulus plan, it's a spending plan," Nebraska's freshman senator, Mike Johanns (R), said Wednesday in a maiden floor speech full of budget-balancing orthodoxy that would have made Herbert Hoover proud. The stimulus bill, he declared, "won't create the promised jobs. It won't activate our economy."

Johanns was too busy yesterday to explain this radical departure from standard theory and practice. Where does the senator think the $800 billion will go? Down a rabbit hole? Even if the entire sum were to be stolen by federal employees and spent entirely on fast cars, fancy homes, gambling junkets and fancy clothes, it would still be an $800 billion increase in the demand for goods and services -- a pretty good working definition for economic stimulus. The only question is whether spending it on other things would create more long-term value, which it almost certainly would.

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Where does the senator think the $800 billion will go? Down a rabbit hole?
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Where'd the $700B voted on in October go?

The point is, this is being sold as something that has to be passed NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW! Because this IS AN EMERGENCY!!!! DON'T DEBATE IT!!! PASS IT!!!!

Sound familiar? Like, say, the Patriot Act?
 
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Oh, and for the record, I'd RATHER the money be spent on cars, homes, clothes, and all sorts of things. By the people who would normally do that sort of thing.
 
aps said:
For those of you who argue that this is a spending bill as opposed to a stimulus bill, I offer this from Steve Pearlstein, who I personally think is incredibly smart and savvy when it comes to money issues.
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Johanns was too busy yesterday to explain this radical departure from standard theory and practice. Where does the senator think the $800 billion will go? Down a rabbit hole? Even if the entire sum were to be stolen by federal employees and spent entirely on fast cars, fancy homes, gambling junkets and fancy clothes, it would still be an $800 billion increase in the demand for goods and services -- a pretty good working definition for economic stimulus. The only question is whether spending it on other things would create more long-term value, which it almost certainly would.
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By that logic, wouldn't a tax credit for rich people to buy additional homes have the same effect?
 
This strengthens my belief that our country is run by monkeys in suits.
 
RightinNYC said:
By that logic, wouldn't a tax credit for rich people to buy additional homes have the same effect?
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They have gotten enough tax credits to last them a lifetime.
 
RightinNYC said:
By that logic, wouldn't a tax credit for rich people to buy additional homes have the same effect?
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But that just wouldn't be fair. :roll:
 
aps said:
They have gotten enough tax credits to last them a lifetime.
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But it would still have the same "stimulus" effect that that guy is claiming the current bill has.
 
RightinNYC said:
But it would still have the same "stimulus" effect that that guy is claiming the current bill has.
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Not necessarily the same, but an affect nonetheless. Obviously his whole point is any spending is a stimulus to the economy. The only debate is where to spend to have the biggest affect.

Tax breaks for the rich may have an affect but is it better then spending those billions focused more on the middle class? Those experiencing the most effect of the economy?
 
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Not necessarily the same, but an affect nonetheless. Obviously his whole point is any spending is a stimulus to the economy. The only debate is where to spend to have the biggest affect.

Tax breaks for the rich may have an affect but is it better then spending those billions focused more on the middle class? Those experiencing the most effect of the economy?
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I'm not saying it is. I'm simply contesting the quoted statement above:

Johanns was too busy yesterday to explain this radical departure from standard theory and practice. Where does the senator think the $800 billion will go? Down a rabbit hole? Even if the entire sum were to be stolen by federal employees and spent entirely on fast cars, fancy homes, gambling junkets and fancy clothes, it would still be an $800 billion increase in the demand for goods and services -- a pretty good working definition for economic stimulus. The only question is whether spending it on other things would create more long-term value, which it almost certainly would.
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RightinNYC said:
I'm not saying it is. I'm simply contesting the quoted statement above:
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I got that. I thought you were trying to argue that, based on the quote, that your scenario would have the same stimulus affect. Which it wouldn't. Anyway, it doesn't matter really.

I think the point of this is that the GOP list is not a list of things that will not stimulate the economy, as previously presented. It is a list of things they feel will have little affect on the economy or are things that may have an affect but they just don't agree with spending on.

I think this is a decision that will never have complete bipartisan support. No matter who the authors are. It's all basically a big economic guess.
 
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