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What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

Truth Detector said:
There must be a POINT here but I am having difficulty getting it.
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The point is he's doing what liberals bitched about for 8 years to republicans, going "Umm, what we're doing may be bad, but instead of addressing it we'll talk about the last president".

With many republicans the past 8 years, it was "But Clinton lied!"

With democrats not it'll be, "But Iraq!"

None of which changes the fact that its wasteful spending in a bill that's supposed to be for emergency stimulation of the economy. But see, he can't actually counter that point, so he has to deflect, jive, dance, and go off on stupid tangents.
 
Zyphlin said:
None of which changes the fact that its wasteful spending in a bill that's supposed to be for emergency stimulation of the economy. But see, he can't actually counter that point, so he has to deflect, jive, dance, and go off on stupid tangents.
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Which is why it's great we have checks and balances with the Senate.

I think this all smells of ignorance on how to stimulate the economy. No one on either side of the political spectrum has a definite idea on how to bring the economy back up and they are obviously trying for everything in the hopes something will stick. I haven't seen anything different coming from either political party.

It's a good think I believe the market will correct itself.
 
Truth Detector said:
There must be a POINT here but I am having difficulty getting it.
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The point is that if the right wing apologists spend a fraction of the time complaining about money that is REALLY wasted...thrown into the sands of Iraq, perhaps their crocodile tears over accusations of waste would be meaningful.

Most of the "wasteful" items on that list make sense, if you bother to think about it. Buying hybrid cars for government workers? Why not? The auto industry needs the boost, and hybrids are the right choice. 1.4 billion for rural waste disposal? How about we put it in your backyard, since you have a problem with it? Face it, you would object to anything the Democratic majority suggested, so why should we listen to you at all?
 
scourge99 said:
What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill - CNN.com



Wow I didn't know anti smoking adds, STD programs, hybrid cars, tax breaks for movie produces, museums, and green buildings stimulated the economy.:roll:

What a bunch of ****ing pork for special interests passed under the disguise of "stimulus".

As much as I can see why these funds would be needed during NORMAL economic times they are simply a waste of money right now and dig us deeper into a hole.

The dems really know how to blow through money.
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:rofl:rofl Oh, and the Republicans did such a fantastic job saving money these last 8 years. :rofl
 
RightinNYC said:
All of which has nothing to do with whether or not these should be included in the stimulus. Well done.
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Yes, you are correct; however, it addresses the OP's statement about how Democrats really know how to blow through money.
 
WillRockwell said:
The point is that if the right wing apologists spend a fraction of the time complaining about money that is REALLY wasted...thrown into the sands of Iraq, perhaps their crocodile tears over accusations of waste would be meaningful.
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As opposed to the Left Wing apologists who justify throwing tax payer dollars into a boondoggle of pork legislation?

What a profound argument.


WillRockwell said:
Most of the "wasteful" items on that list make sense, if you bother to think about it.
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I have thought about it, and most of them don’t make a bit of sense to me. Do you think debating what makes sense to you constitutes a reasonable line of argument?

WillRockwell said:
Buying hybrid cars for government workers? Why not? The auto industry needs the boost, and hybrids are the right choice.
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So you believe that the Government should scrap the cars it is already using and buy a bunch of hybrids at a HUGE cost to the taxpayer is good policy?

WillRockwell said:
1.4 billion for rural waste disposal?
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Fascinating claim here; I guess we must all assume that before this bill passes, all the rural waste is being thrown on the side of the roads.

WillRockwell said:
How about we put it in your backyard, since you have a problem with it?
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Got hyperbole?

WillRockwell said:
Face it, you would object to anything the Democratic majority suggested, so why should we listen to you at all?
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Face it, you would whine about any opposition to the Democrat majority because in your world, it only makes sense if one opposes the former Bush Administration and Republican majority’s right?

So while you are on this hypocritical rant, please explain to the class how all these two trillions of dollars of Liberal spending are going to be paid for?

While you are at it, explain how taking money OUT of the economy and spending it on pork barrel projects is going to increase economic activity. You did read my lake analogy right? It’s taking money from the job producers and giving it to someone else. I am not sure how those economics work. I guess you think the Government can just print and borrow money and it won’t have an impact on the value of money or cause rampant inflation eh?
 
Zyphlin said:
The point is he's doing what liberals bitched about for 8 years to republicans, going "Umm, what we're doing may be bad, but instead of addressing it we'll talk about the last president".

With many republicans the past 8 years, it was "But Clinton lied!"
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Those gosh darned Republican hypocrites! :roll:
 
aps said:
:rofl:rofl Oh, and the Republicans did such a fantastic job saving money these last 8 years. :rofl
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So because you think the Republicans did such a bad job spending money, that makes this okay?
 
Truth Detector said:
Those gosh darned Republican hypocrites! :roll:
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Nope, this one is pointing out liberal hypocrites.

Though if you really want to get technical, republicans that went "But Clinton but Clinton!" complaining about a liberal going "But Bush but Bush" is ALSO a bit of a hypocrite.
 
WillRockwell said:
The point is that if the right wing apologists spend a fraction of the time complaining about money that is REALLY wasted...thrown into the sands of Iraq, perhaps their crocodile tears over accusations of waste would be meaningful.

Most of the "wasteful" items on that list make sense, if you bother to think about it. Buying hybrid cars for government workers? Why not? The auto industry needs the boost, and hybrids are the right choice. 1.4 billion for rural waste disposal? How about we put it in your backyard, since you have a problem with it? Face it, you would object to anything the Democratic majority suggested, so why should we listen to you at all?
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This should not be such a difficult concept, but for the fourth time:

NOBODY IS SAYING THESE THINGS ARE NECESSARILY BAD. The point is just that they have no place in an economic stimulus package, as they are at best tangentially related to economic stimulii. This is not exclusively a Republican argument. This is common sense.


aps said:
:rofl:rofl Oh, and the Republicans did such a fantastic job saving money these last 8 years. :rofl
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What does that have to do with the question of whether or not these things should be in the stimulus bill?

If two people punch you in the face, you don't excuse the second because he didn't hit you as hard as the first one.

(Yet).
 
It is amusing to see Liberals and Democrats justify their largess by suggesting that Republicans should just roll over and play dead now that they are in charge and that we should ignore the fact that they are getting ready to spend this Nation into an inflationary spiral and level of debt that will make Jimmy Carter look like a financial wiz kid.

Has anyone on the Left asked themselves who will pay for all this? There are only so many rich people you can confiscate money from; then what? Remember that Democrats claimed when they took over congress; that they were going to "pay as they go?" Whatever happened to fiscal responsibility and pay as you go?
 
Zyphlin said:
Though if you really want to get technical, republicans that went "But Clinton but Clinton!" complaining about a liberal going "But Bush but Bush" is ALSO a bit of a hypocrite.
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Let's get technical; my memory of Republicans referring to Clinton all the time seemed to mostly have occurred when Democrats pointed to Clinton as some kind of miracle cure to all the worlds’ ills and the ONLY person to ever have a surplus. You seem to remember it different.

Mind you, I am not saying ALL Republicans/Conservatives are not guilty of some hypocrisy, but to watch you, you would think that it was a constant recurring theme.

I know, this is just more of your effort to show how non-partisan you are; check! :2wave:
 
RightinNYC said:
If two people punch you in the face, you don't excuse the second because he didn't hit you as hard as the first one.

(Yet).
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Well, if the first punch knocked you out, you wouldn't be able to excuse the second one and/or notice if they hadn't punched you as hard as the first one; just sayin. :cool:
 
aps said:
:rofl:rofl Oh, and the Republicans did such a fantastic job saving money these last 8 years. :rofl
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Two wrongs don't make a right.

Why do Liberals think attacking others absolves them from responsibilty of their own actions? Grow up.
 
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Truth Detector said:
So because you think the Republicans did such a bad job spending money, that makes this okay?
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He makes a good point, aps, except for one thing. He and others ranted about Clinton the whole time Bush was in office (Clinton penis envy), but that's neither here nor there. Obama is the one in power now, and should be the one we focus on.
 
scourge99 said:
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Why do Liberals think attacking others absolves them from responsibilty of their own actions? Grow up.
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Your attack on Democrats implied that only Democrats have a spending problem. So you attacked Democrats, and I merely pointed out that it applies to Republicans as well.

Okay. I'll grow up now. :rofl
 
aps said:
Your attack on Democrats implied that only Democrats have a spending problem. So you attacked Democrats, and I merely pointed out that it applies to Republicans as well.

Okay. I'll grow up now. :rofl
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shhh. It's OK to attack Democrats but Republicans are off limits.
 
danarhea said:
He and others ranted about Clinton the whole time Bush was in office (Clinton penis envy) ......
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Well, once more you illustrate your "quasi-Liberal" mentality by getting it ALL wrong. No one, particularly I, ranted about Clinton unless some empty headed Liberal started using Clinton's name as if he were a God.

You are welcome to PROVE that I needlessly ranted about Clinton by posting those quotes here IN context if you like. You seem to have a LOT of time on your hands so it would be a good assignment and keep you busy so you can’t spew more of your distortions while you are at it.

Good lord, do you ever actually comprehend anything that is posted here? Or do you just conveniently put it all into a nice little simplistic generalization to make it easier to spew talking points at a later date? :roll:

I assure you that in MOST the cases you whine about; there was a liberal saying something idiotic like; Clinton had a surplus and Bush squandered it. Come to think of it, it was probably something you would say.

Carry on; your clown like attempts to lower the threads IQ have been noted.
 
aps said:
Your attack on Democrats implied that only Democrats have a spending problem. So you attacked Democrats, and I merely pointed out that it applies to Republicans as well.

Okay. I'll grow up now. :rofl
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What irony when he was responding to your needless attack on Republicans to defend the rabid spending by the Democrats which is the current debate. :roll:
 
Gibberish said:
shhh. It's OK to attack Democrats but Republicans are off limits.
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Shhhhh, it's okay to attack Republicans for the last eight years but Democrats are off limits.

See how easy it is to be a Liberal? But by all means, avoid the substance of the debate by attacking your opponents. :roll:
 
Truth Detector said:
What irony when he was responding to your needless attack on Republicans to defend the rabid spending by the Democrats which is the current debate. :roll:
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Truth Detector said:
Shhhhh, it's okay to attack Republicans for the last eight years but Democrats are off limits.

See how easy it is to be a Liberal? But by all means, avoid the substance of the debate by attacking your opponents. :roll:
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What hypocrisy when you are calling out needles attacks and lack of substance. I could quote everyone of your posts in the past few months as evidence of these things.

Why don't you just make your campaign for Ass Hat of the year public?
 
Something like 2 out of every 3 dollars in the bill has nothing to do with any stimulus but 100% to do with pay offs in the form of pork.
 
Truth Detector said:
Spending money to insure Iraq continues to become a peaceful Democracy is a better deal than throwing money away on social welfare programs intended to create a dependent class of citizens who politicians can pander to for votes.

:cool:
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Once can argue the Iraq war contributed to the sub prime mortgage crisis. I'd rather give welfare mom's money than bomb/build bridges in another country.
 
Triad said:
Something like 2 out of every 3 dollars in the bill has nothing to do with any stimulus but 100% to do with pay offs in the form of pork.
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Your charge would be alarming if it were true. But I don't think you care much about the truth when it comes to attacking Democrats. the president is making a dedicated effort to work with Republicans, as for me I think the attempt is hopeless. Republicans have made it clear if they can't govern the country they will insure that no one does.
 
Gibberish said:
shhh. It's OK to attack Democrats but Republicans are off limits.
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I don't care if you attack Republicans for legit reasons, and trust me, the last Republican majority you guys had some really good one's, I just wish the petty or baseless attacks would be dropped.
 
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