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Michael Steele becomes first black RNC chairman

danarhea said:
You know this thread is going into the toilet when it has degraded into a black man dick measuring contest with white people doing the measuring. :mrgreen:
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You appear to be the only one with "dick" on the brain. :roll:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Yeah, farrakan is a racist as well. you fail as usual...
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But your claim was that attending the million march was part of a pattern of racism when there was nothing about attending the million man march. Failure?

i look foward to your next racist post. :2wave:
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Alberto Gonzales is now selling oranges on Crenshaw.
 
Rodney said:
If right( the truth and justice kind), is might ,I don`t think we`ve seen the last of Keyes. Now all we have to do is get the RNC to understand this.
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Keyes is no longer a Republican, he left and joined the Constitution Party after he didnt get the nomination then he joined the American Independence Party when Baldwin got the nomination for the CP.
 
Hatuey said:
But your claim was that attending the million march was part of a pattern of racism when there was nothing about attending the million man march. Failure?
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That would be a lie on your part, Mr. Sharpton. :2wave:
 
chevydriver1123 said:
Keyes is no longer a Republican, he left and joined the Constitution Party after he didnt get the nomination then he joined the American Independence Party when Baldwin got the nomination for the CP.
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Sounds like he`s lookin for a party. I like his human rights values and am guessing that he is the good guythat he comes across as,( I really don`t know him from the man in the moon,like none us really knows Barry Obamma). Thanks for the update on Als travels. Oh..., and Ron Paul got my primary vote too. Another good guy without a party, or at least a party he`s accepted in,and supported / backed by.
 
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Erod said:
Condi Rice? Collin Powell? Alberto Gonzalez? Elain Chao? Alphonso Jackson? Carlos Guttierez?

But go ahead, Dems, keep up the lying. Republicans have a far better track record of putting minorities in key cabinet positions than Democrats.
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The republicans do have a better `track record` for inserting only intelligent , qualified minorities too. The left ,find the bottom of the racist barrel for their pickins ...ACLU liberal types. Sorry ya`ll , I have a bit of an attitude towards anyone not on Arods list....
 
Like I said, some consider him a RINO:

Michael Steele, the new chairman of the Republican National Committee wants the GOP to reach out to candidates who support gay marriage and are pro-choice. Steele told Fox's Chris Wallace that it was "important" to reach out to those voters.
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Steele: GOP should reach out to gay, pro-choice voters | Video Cafe


No complaint from me on this. Just backing up a point.
 
Alex said:
This is the direction that the GOP needs to go if they are going to survive. Back to the principle of less government on everything.
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I don't see how allowing gay marriage and abortion has anything to do with big or small government. It's not like the government has to make a law on them, as for myself, I just want a chance to vote "no" on those issues.

Not only that, last I checked, the vast majority of voters are against gay marriage so...I don't think the GOP want's to piss off 60% of America.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
I don't see how allowing gay marriage and abortion has anything to do with big or small government. It's not like the government has to make a law on them, as for myself, I just want a chance to vote "no" on those issues.

Not only that, last I checked, the vast majority of voters are against gay marriage so...I don't think the GOP want's to piss off 60% of America.
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It is not "allowing" same-sex unions or abortion that makes big government, its making them illegal that does. It is getting the government involved in an aspect of people's lives that they have no business in. The more involved, the bigger the government.

I would not consider 60% a "vast majority". Just because that percentage is against it does not mean that percentage decides their votes based on that issue. Also, that number is going down as of late, the GOP knows this. They know that same-sex marriage will be supported by a majority soon and they had better catch up or get left behind even further.
 
Erod said:
Condi Rice? Collin Powell? Alberto Gonzalez? Elain Chao? Alphonso Jackson? Carlos Guttierez?

But go ahead, Dems, keep up the lying. Republicans have a far better track record of putting minorities in key cabinet positions than Democrats.
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But they weren't liberals, so they weren't authentically ethnic. :roll:
 
Alex said:
It is not "allowing" same-sex unions or abortion that makes big government, its making them illegal that does. It is getting the government involved in an aspect of people's lives that they have no business in. The more involved, the bigger the government.
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But you see, that's not what I'm asking for. I'm not asking for the government to enforce it, or even make it illegal. I just want a measure to vote on.
I would not consider 60% a "vast majority". Just because that percentage is against it does not mean that percentage decides their votes based on that issue. Also, that number is going down as of late, the GOP knows this. They know that same-sex marriage will be supported by a majority soon and they had better catch up or get left behind even further.
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I couldn't disagree more. Every state that the issue has come to a vote on, the public has voted it down. You think the GOP would at least wait untill it actually got passed in ONE state.

But in the end, Michael steel, I really think he is against gay marrige. He is shifted several times, but I will never forget when he was sitting in for Sean Hannity,
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
That would be a lie on your part, Mr. Sharpton.
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
More in a pattern of a racist ideology?



"Obama took time off from attending campaign coffees to attend October's Million Man March in Washington, D.C. His experiences there only reinforced his reasons for jumping into politics. "
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I love it when you Pwnd yourself.

i look foward to your next racist post. :2wave:
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Michael Steele hates black people.
 
I was gone all weekend, so forgive me if I'm responding to a lot of people at once...

American said:
The Republican Party was started by anti-slavery politicians, Einstein. On the other hand you've got a KKK member in your party.
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Technically, he's been an ex-KKK member for many decades now, and has publically repudated the klan. Let's try to have some honesty. and remind me why Trent Lott lost his Senate Leadership position...

LaMidRighter said:
While there are things I disagree with Steele on, I am extatic about this pick, and never agree with anyone in full anyway. I think the GOP has a terrific chairman in the making.
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What makes him so terrific? He lost his election for Governor... he doesn't have any genius strategy like Dean... what makes you think he'd be effective at the job?

LaMidRighter said:
You have to pick yourself up and correct mistakes when you lose an election by these margins, hopefully this will be the start of a real conservative resurgence, one that appeals to people who believe in the fundamentals of our constitution and liberties, if the Republicans don't regroup with the right mindset then the next election cycle will be ugly.
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I also always wondered. Why is it that Republicans always accuse Democrats of being "too left", but want to draw their party away from the center? It always seemed a double standard to me.

chevydriver1123 said:
As for Steele being made Chairman I see it as a good thing. Now if the GOP can get its **** together by 2010 we might be able to put a check in Obama's power.
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what makes you think Steele is that guy? He hasn't shown any indication that he'd be especially good at fundraising or winning elections.

StandUpChuck said:
Not a problem. But you keep quoting me while I'm editing! :) (I would spank you, but I fear with that screen name, you might like it lol)
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You know, there's only one way to find out;).
 
The Democrats don't like the idea of some uppity Uncle Tom running the Republican Party. It don't look good for the racism business.
 
American said:
The Democrats don't like the idea of some uppity Uncle Tom running the Republican Party. It don't look good for the racism business.
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You are on a race baiting roll today. :roll:
 
StandUpChuck said:
Like I said, some consider him a RINO:



Steele: GOP should reach out to gay, pro-choice voters | Video Cafe


No complaint from me on this. Just backing up a point.
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I like Steele well enough but I reject this mindset. For every "moderate" you might get, you're gonna lose someone from the base if the GOP starts sucking up to pro-gay marriage/pro-abortion groups. Republicans, imo, can't take the base for granted.

How do you reach out to a group that goes against your principles without compromising those principles?
 
the makeout hobo said:
Technically, he's been an ex-KKK member for many decades now, and has publically repudated the klan. Let's try to have some honesty. and remind me why Trent Lott lost his Senate Leadership position...
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Byrd is ex-klan, but in unguarded moments he still has quite a few racist blips here and there.


What makes him so terrific? He lost his election for Governor... he doesn't have any genius strategy like Dean... what makes you think he'd be effective at the job?
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A) he rallies people well, we need an energetic grass roots movement like the last time, for whatever issues those like myself disagree with Steele on, we'll take the reigns on those. B) with more enthusiasm comes more donations, which the Republicans lost with the spineless bunch we had the last couple of years. C) You're bringing up Dean, a psychotic, loudmouth, former governer with multiple failed attempts at higher office as an example of brilliance? Does not compute.



I also always wondered. Why is it that Republicans always accuse Democrats of being "too left", but want to draw their party away from the center? It always seemed a double standard to me.
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I don't want us to be left at all, if the constitution forbids something we need to tell those suggesting said change to stick it......the problem is the spineless Rebublicans I mentioned earlier that think going to the center wins elections.
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don'ttreadonme said:
I like Steele well enough but I reject this mindset. For every "moderate" you might get, you're gonna lose someone from the base if the GOP starts sucking up to pro-gay marriage/pro-abortion groups. Republicans, imo, can't take the base for granted.

How do you reach out to a group that goes against your principles without compromising those principles?
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Well, these are my 2 issues where I break with conservatives a bit. I don't see the harm in reaching out to gays. I know a few gays who've always identified themselves as democrat, but they really lean conservative. Steele does not support gay marriage (nor does Obama, but the gay community tends to forget that), but that doesn't mean gays don't have a home with the GOP for the larger issues.

I don't see why the base needs to die on this mountain to be honest. There are much greater issues we need to address. I just cannot see rejecting homosexuality to the extent that your base numbers dwindle, and you're turning away great people who happen to love the same sex.

As far as pro-choice goes, it's really time we defined where the party stands so that everyone knows. Many are under the impression that republicans just want to take away women's rights to abortion. I think the majority of party leaders don't even want to mess w/R v W. But where we differ from Dems is PBA. If that were defined better, I think we'd see a lot more "leans pro-choice" coming over to our party. Right now we are defined (in part) as anti-gay and anti-choice when that's really not the case.
 
StandUpChuck said:
Well, these are my 2 issues where I break with conservatives a bit. I don't see the harm in reaching out to gays. I know a few gays who've always identified themselves as democrat, but they really lean conservative. Steele does not support gay marriage (nor does Obama, but the gay community tends to forget that), but that doesn't mean gays don't have a home with the GOP for the larger issues.

I don't see why the base needs to die on this mountain to be honest. There are much greater issues we need to address. I just cannot see rejecting homosexuality to the extent that your base numbers dwindle, and you're turning away great people who happen to love the same sex.

As far as pro-choice goes, it's really time we defined where the party stands so that everyone knows. Many are under the impression that republicans just want to take away women's rights to abortion. I think the majority of party leaders don't even want to mess w/R v W. But where we differ from Dems is PBA. If that were defined better, I think we'd see a lot more "leans pro-choice" coming over to our party. Right now we are defined (in part) as anti-gay and anti-choice when that's really not the case.
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I don't know, SUC. I don't think the bolded part is true at all. While I don't think most Republicans are against all abortions, no matter the case, like Keyes, I think they're against most abortions and PBAs are a small percentage of those. I think most people who oppose abortion are willing to die on that hill because they equate the practice with murder and find it extremely distasteful to compromise. The whole "it's a child, not a choice" thing.

From the 2008 Republican platform ...

Faithful to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence, we assert the inherent dignity and sanctity of all human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed.....At its core, abortion is a fundamental assault on the sanctity of innocent human life. http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/Values.htm#5

I think like Rush Limbaugh. Once you start trying to appeal to groups of people (often "victims") instead of just Americans, you start losing people and that's also the Democrats' game. What's a way to reach out to gays if their "issue" is gay marriage? Don't the Republicans already reach out to fiscally conservative gays when they cut taxes? Or security-minded gays when they're strong on national security?

I have neighbors who have left the party becaue they think the GOP is too soft on the issue of life, for example. Ron Paul was their candidate and now they often vote for the Constitution Party. (Which is funny since I saw someone who claims to be an "independent" in another thread here thinks Libertarians or maybe Ron Paul are an escape from all of the religious "whackos." Ain't true. ;) )
 
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Hatuey said:
I love it when you Pwnd yourself.



Michael Steele hates black people.
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Wait those wer my words or were you taking me out of contexts...


Lets be clear.


Obama's hanging out with farakahn was part of the pattern.
 
don'ttreadonme said:
I think like Rush Limbaugh. Once you start trying to appeal to groups of people (often "victims") instead of just Americans, you start losing people and that's also the Democrats' game. What's a way to reach out to gays if their "issue" is gay marriage? Don't the Republicans already reach out to fiscally conservative gays when they cut taxes? Or security-minded gays when they're strong on national security?
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It's hard to decipher what Steele means by reaching out to gays since he does not support gay marriage. But I do believe that republicans have the reputation (whether deserved or not) for not recognizing the gay community in a positive light. I'm not talking about the freaks but the regular Joes and Josephines. I have no problem reaching out to groups and saying, 'hey, there's stuff here for you, too!" I don't see that as pandering, I see that as good PR.

It may be that you & I live in completely different areas of the country, but I know noone who is staunchly pro-life. Somehow I got myself on these survey lists, and I constantly get calls from various political groups asking 1 or 2 questions. Last week, someone called (I can't even remember what group they were from, but I remember it sounded like a conservative group). All they asked if I consider myself pro-life, pro-choice or leaning somewhat pro-choice. I answered the latter. Do republicans see that a huge enough majority lean that way that this issue has to be addressed within the party? Are they sensing that pro-lifers may not be the biggest part of the base? I don't know.

I see what you're saying about relaxing the core beliefs. To me the core is smaller gov't, strong military, family values (I know I'll get slammed for that), tax cuts, 2nd amendment and business-friendly laws/regulations (anti-regulations actually). I don't see that gay issues (good or bad) should be at our core beliefs. Gov't should not be in the business of deciding on private matters. You've got me on the pro-life stance, though. It's something I'm very much torn about. I could take the easy way out and say it's a state isssue.
 
Can't anyone just let someone do their job before blasting them? Maybe he did get picked because he was black and maybe he didn't- it's irrelevant. Give the guy a chance, I think it will be good for the Republican party. I think they need something fresh and if this guy can bring it, good for him. Let's see how he does first and then judge him. Bringing up that point, I find it funny how some people are blasting Obama already and then others are complaining he's only been in charge a couple weeks- Steele has just become the chairman- please apply that same thinking to him before you talk stuff. Or just pick and choose your outrage, whatever. :2razz:
 
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