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Holocaust a 'big lie': Iran govt spokesman

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Holocaust a 'big lie': Iran govt spokesman

In effect this person is calling the Governments of Russia, Germany, UK, USA, Italy, Hungary, Checkoslovacia, Poland, Belgium, France, Holland, Liars.

What else is new?

We all know Iran's position on the Holocaust. I think it would be news if a P.R. guy from Iran admitted to believing in it.
 
They would hang him.
 
But, according to an Iranian apologist on these boards, this is a democratically elected government, so this must be ok, right? :roll:

Well according to Christian apologists on these boards, a Bishop who said the same is their brother in Christ, so his opinion must be more then ok, right?

Your move.
 
Well according to Christian apologists on these boards, a Bishop who said the same is their brother in Christ, so his opinion must be more then ok, right?

Your move.

Not the same thing. I can't choose my brothers in Christ and they are free to have their opinions - I simply do not agree with them - and neither does the Church. There are many things I have profound disagreements with my brothers and sisters in Christ about, but that doesn't change the fact that they are my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Apparently you have a difficulty in understanding such a distinction.

Now, back to the thread. There is another thread on this issue.
 
What else is new?

We all know Iran's position on the Holocaust. I think it would be news if a P.R. guy from Iran admitted to believing in it.

There is a great misunderstanding about who support the holocaust and who doesn't.

I participate in several forums, including forums from other countries, and while their "governments" support that the holocaust happened, the majorities of their people don't buy it. Now well, you won't call them ignorants and nothing like that, it is just that the propaganda about the holocaust is not strong enough in many countries like here in US, that's all.

Just visit a forum of Spain, Portugal or South America, even in Italy, the people don't buy the idea of 6 million Jews were killed in gas chambers regardless of the efforts of the UN to create a day for such assumed event of the past.

I wish I know more languages to search more countries and find out what is the real support for such idea of the holocaust.

As far as one can observe, the voice of their governments in the places mentioned above is not changing the opinions of the people about this topic.

On the other hand, the Iranian country appears to be the only nation where the opinions about the holocaust "as never happened" is in agreement between the government and the majority of the people. At least they agree...:coffeepap
 
There is a great misunderstanding about who support the holocaust and who doesn't.

I participate in several forums, including forums from other countries, and while their "governments" support that the holocaust happened, the majorities of their people don't buy it. Now well, you won't call them ignorants and nothing like that, it is just that the propaganda about the holocaust is not strong enough in many countries like here in US, that's all.

Just visit a forum of Spain, Portugal or South America, even in Italy, the people don't buy the idea of 6 million Jews were killed in gas chambers regardless of the efforts of the UN to create a day for such assumed event of the past.

I wish I know more languages to search more countries and find out what is the real support for such idea of the holocaust.

As far as one can observe, the voice of their governments in the places mentioned above is not changing the opinions of the people about this topic.

On the other hand, the Iranian country appears to be the only nation where the opinions about the holocaust "as never happened" is in agreement between the government and the majority of the people. At least they agree...:coffeepap


Have any links to these forums where the forum-goers do not believe in the Holocaust?
 
Have any links to these forums where the forum-goers do not believe in the Holocaust?
You are asking me to give you my whereabouts online, and that is a no no.

Just use any search tool and write the name of any country, add the word forum, or foro, and whoa!, you will have some links. After that, visit the one you please and look for the discussion.

If you don't understand what they say, use the translator online. I will warn you that they not only disagree with such story of the holocaust but that they insult a lot to the Jews.:coffeepap
 
Not the same thing.

Really? How so?

I can't choose my brothers in Christ

But the church sure as hell does have a say over who is a Bishop and who isn't.

and they are free to have their opinions

As Bishops? No they don't.

- I simply do not agree with them -

He's still a Bishop.

and neither does the Church.

And he is still a bishop.

There are many things I have profound disagreements with my brothers and sisters in Christ about, but that doesn't change the fact that they are my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Pssst. He's STILL a Bishop in your church.

Apparently you have a difficulty in understanding such a distinction

Apparently you missed the point I made by stating he's still a Bishop in your church.

Now, back to the thread. There is another thread on this issue.

Christian apologist.
 
You are asking me to give you my whereabouts online, and that is a no no.

Just use any search tool and write the name of any country, add the word forum, or foro, and whoa!, you will have some links. After that, visit the one you please and look for the discussion.

If you don't understand what they say, use the translator online. I will warn you that they not only disagree with such story of the holocaust but that they insult a lot to the Jews.:coffeepap

What?

You're lame, and a liar.
 
Really? How so?



But the church sure as hell does have a say over who is a Bishop and who isn't.



As Bishops? No they don't.



He's still a Bishop.



And he is still a bishop.



Pssst. He's STILL a Bishop in your church.



Apparently you missed the point I made by stating he's still a Bishop in your church.



Christian apologist.

And the stance on the Holocaust is absolutely IRRELEVANT to his position as a bishop. He was excommunicated due to other issues. This issue is manufactured by the media to put the Church in a bad light. There are many things I disagree with my priest on - does that mean he (or I) should be excommunicated? Of course not. What idoicy!
 
What?

You're lame, and a liar.

I gave you the steps to check other countries forums and find out that the majorities of people in those countries do not believe that the holocaust happened.

You are on your own now. :coffeepap
 
I gave you the steps to check other countries forums and find out that the majorities of people in those countries do not believe that the holocaust happened.

You are on your own now. :coffeepap

And you think checking FORUMS is going to be an indication to what the majority think?

:roll:
 
And the stance on the Holocaust is absolutely IRRELEVANT to his position as a bishop. He was excommunicated due to other issues. This issue is manufactured by the media to put the Church in a bad light. There are many things I disagree with my priest on - does that mean he (or I) should be excommunicated? Of course not. What idoicy!

Wasn't he excommunicated for being a "Lefèvrist"? If so, then his holocaust denial stems from his anti-semitism, which is part of his religion. So it's not really irrelevant; in fact, it couldn't be more relevant.
 
Wasn't he excommunicated for being a "Lefèvrist"? If so, then his holocaust denial stems from his anti-semitism, which is part of his religion. So it's not really irrelevant; in fact, it couldn't be more relevant.

He was excommunicated for being involved in the unauthorised elevation of Bishops. The Lefevrist Movement is a traditionalist movement that grew out of opposition of some of the reforms of Vatican II.
 
And you think checking FORUMS is going to be an indication to what the majority think?

:roll:

Do you have another better method to find out what the people think about the different topics?

I just used my own suggestion and I find out this page

MUNDO HISTORIA - El holocausto nazi, si sucedio - Segunda Guerra Mundial historia social, politica, y economica.

Here, the holocaust fan started the topic saying that the holocaust happened. And his introduction appeals that "only a minority" don't believe in the holocaust.

At the third or fourth message one participant who doesn't think the same has been banned already. The thread is full of documents and pictures showing the atrocities made by the Nazis over the enemy in general, because we must understand that Jews weren't the only victims.

The discussion continues and good arguments like the impediment to a million of German soldiers to testify that such holocaust didn't happen is mentioned, while only the Jews were heard in the court hearings. Who knows why...:roll:

Several participants disagree with the hundreds of messages of the few supporters of the holocaust posting pictures and resolutions of the UN like crazy, because they want plain evidence and none is given. Most of the participants are from Spain, there are from Argentina, Venezuela, you name it...

Use a translator to check what they say, and you will find out that the ones who disagree with such gas chambers are well educated people who present their arguments with great strategy to debunk the weak arguments of the holocaust supporters.

And, some of the supporters that say yes, that the holocaust happened, they don't think that 6 million Jews were killed but only a lesser number of them, and they use a demographic calculation of the population of Europe in those years to find out that such killing of 6 million of Jews cannot happen at all, but only some hundreds of thousands.

So, the only thing I wrote in the search tool was "foro holocausto", and web sites showed up, and you just must find and select the one you want. In this case I selected the first one which appeared in the list.

Of course I have not participated in the forum given as a reference here, this site is also new for me.

There are other forums where the discussions are not that well educated and you can observe how lots of participants not only reject the idea of such holocaust but they insult and laugh of the supporters of such idea.:coffeepap
 
Do you have another better method to find out what the people think about the different topics?


Sure, carefully sampled, professionally done polls. Care to cite one?

Next you will tell me we should cite Stormfront.org to determine what the majority of White Americans think about President Obama. :doh
 
He was excommunicated for being involved in the unauthorised elevation of Bishops. The Lefevrist Movement is a traditionalist movement that grew out of opposition of some of the reforms of Vatican II.

Yes but, again, wasn't that due to his being part of the Lefèvrists?
 
And the stance on the Holocaust is absolutely IRRELEVANT to his position as a bishop.

Really? Considering the role the CC took during WWII then no. It is not irrelevant.

He was excommunicated due to other issues.

And brought back to one again be a fully legit church official.

This issue is manufactured by the media to put the Church in a bad light.

Lol - Yes. The Catholic Church keeping a Holocaust denying Bishop would have been seen in a good light under ANY other circumstance. ;)

There are many things I disagree with my priest on - does that mean he (or I) should be excommunicated?

You - Normal nobody cares about Christian. He - Church official. Do you get my point yet?

Of course not. What idoicy!

You mean ludahai's hypocrisy? Yes. Yes it is.
 
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Really? Considering the role the CC took during WWII then no. It is not irrelevant.

You mean with the Church spoke out against the abuses of the Nazis and did all it could to save hundreds of thousands of Jews from Nazi oppression, including the opening of Castle Gandolfo for the purpose of sheltering Jews?

And brought back to one again be a fully legit church official.

Whose excommunication was due to factors having absolutely NOTHING to do with Holocaust denial.

Lol - Yes. The Catholic Church keeping a Holocaust denying Bishop would have been seen in a good light under ANY other circumstance. ;)

And how his this grounds for excommunication?

You - Normal nobody cares about Christian. He - Church official. Do you get my point yet?

Still has nothing to do with excommunication.

You mean ludahai's hypocrisy? Yes. Yes it is.

Trying to invent things? I have been consistent all through this (and other) discussions.
 
You are asking me to give you my whereabouts online, and that is a no no.

Just use any search tool and write the name of any country, add the word forum, or foro, and whoa!, you will have some links. After that, visit the one you please and look for the discussion.

If you don't understand what they say, use the translator online. I will warn you that they not only disagree with such story of the holocaust but that they insult a lot to the Jews.:coffeepap

Considering that anti semitism is again on the rise in Europe and else where can we be sure that they are not biased or just flat out racist in their views? You do say that they go beyond the holocaust and insult the Jews. That at least to me indicates a broader agenda than just denying the holocaust.

A forum hardly represents the view of entire countries. Just look at the threads here. It is just a very very small hand full of us from different countries that that post in the same topic threads over and over.

Moe
 
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