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Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy

Hatuey said:
Rofl what bull****. What parts of the country are free condoms not readily available? Nowhere'sville, Alaska? Placewithoutaname, Alabama? Seriously you'll have to come up with A LOT more then that if this is what you're using to support the argument of extra hundreds of millions for these programs considering the overwhelming majority of teen pregnancies happen in inner cities and with minorities who have free condoms readily available within those cities.
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I know for a fact that you can't get them in the Dayton Public Schools or the Cincinnati Public Schools. And I highly doubt Ohio is an anomaly.

Hatuey said:
As you can see states with higher populations have higher rates. Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me that in Cali you can't find a place that hands out condoms?
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I have no idea, as I've never lived in Cali. If they do, then fine, those extra funds can be allocated somewhere else.

Hatuey said:
What? Do we have to deliver the condoms straight to their homes and pay for the shipping and handling too?
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The closer we can come to that ideal, the better.

Hatuey said:
Red Herring. As I've already shown the pregnancy rate DECREASES during a recession which is what this plan is addressing. But in any case I thought fertility rates were irrelevant according to you? :confused:
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Like I said, Pelosi can spin it as recession-proofing if she likes. But the real issue here is a long-term, systemic economic problem: The staggering level of poverty in the United States. Better access to birth control will most definitely reduce poverty.

Hatuey said:
:rofl - Yes and if this what this money was for then I'd have no problem. But this money is for adding extra funding to programs that don't need anymore funding because they already receive billions annually. There is simply absolutely NO logical reason for this add on. None what so ever. The programs i
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So do you support more taxpayer-funded economic aid for those unwanted kids?
 
Kandahar said:
I don't think it's any big secret that having too many children causes poverty, and being in poverty makes people more likely to have too many children. That doesn't necessarily mean we have to "reduce the population" as you put it. I have no problem at all to opening up our nation to more immigration.



It's a hell of a lot cheaper than paying for 18 years of welfare, food stamps, medicaid, and public education.
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You have issues with shelling out welfare,medicade...bla,bla,bla,but you want a few million more immigrants (illegals and all others beyond our immigration limits),which push our social services beyond breaking. Your heart is tender and so to is the bull **** your head is full of. These third worlders, you want more of, **** for entertainment ,its a pleasurable activity. Speak only from one side of your mouth at a time.
 
Kandahar said:
I know for a fact that you can't get them in the Dayton Public Schools or the Cincinnati Public Schools. And I highly doubt Ohio is an anomaly.
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No clinics, hospitals, pharmacies etc etc in Dayton or Cincinnati I'm guessing?

I have no idea, as I've never lived in Cali. If they do, then fine, those extra funds can be allocated somewhere else.
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Such as? The fact is that every state has found ways to hand out free condoms. If not through schools, through clinics if not through clinics, through hospitals. Your argument is a big red herring.

The closer we can come to that ideal, the better.
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Sorry. As liberal as I am I don't wish to nurture laziness and irresponsability on the level you do.

Like I said, Pelosi can spin it as recession-proofing if she likes. But the real issue here is a long-term, systemic economic problem: The staggering level of poverty in the United States. Better access to birth control will most definitely reduce poverty.
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And if poverty etc etc had been the cause of the current economic crisis then you'd be in the complete right. But poverty had little to do with it. It had to do with people making bad financial decisions.

So do you support more taxpayer-funded economic aid for those unwanted kids?
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WHAT unwanted kids? The ones less likely to be born during a recession?
 
Nancy Pelosi, as usual, is full of crap. This is another one of her hairbrained schemes that continues to insult the intelligence of most of the American populace! Women, right now, can walk into any health department in the country and get free birth control pills and/or condoms. Unless you plan to stand over everbody to see that the birth control is used, it's a dead issue and just another way that government wants to inject itself into our lives. The only way your going to stop unwanted pregnancies is to QUIT HAVING SEX !!! There is no birth control that is 100% and abortion is expensive and morally repugnant to some. Women have the choice whether to become pregnant or not (excluding rape).


But don't worry, Nancy will come up with new and exciting ways to spend YOUR tax dollars! She never fails to disappoint.

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I have my condom on. When do I get my check?
 
Hatuey said:
No clinics, hospitals, pharmacies etc etc in Dayton or Cincinnati I'm guessing?

Such as? The fact is that every state has found ways to hand out free condoms. If not through schools, through clinics if not through clinics, through hospitals. Your argument is a big red herring.
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Sure, but what healthy 17-year-old walks into a hospital to get free condoms? The fact is that schools are the only place to conveniently reach out to the vast majority of teenagers. And doing so will require funding.

Hatuey said:
Sorry. As liberal as I am I don't wish to nurture laziness and irresponsability on the level you do.
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What does this have to do with laziness? And handing out birth control is the exact OPPOSITE of "nurturing irresponsibility."

Hatuey said:
And if poverty etc etc had been the cause of the current economic crisis then you'd be in the complete right. But poverty had little to do with it. It had to do with people making bad financial decisions.

WHAT unwanted kids? The ones less likely to be born during a recession?
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You seem to be hung up on Pelosi's spin rather than the obvious intent of this. No, the current crisis was not (for the most part) caused by poverty. So what? Why does that make this a bad policy? :confused:
 
This is another one of her hairbrained schemes that continues to insult the intelligence of most of the American populace! Women, right now, can walk into any health department in the country and get free birth control pills and/or condoms.
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really?
I had to pay for my birth control pills, even before I had medical insurance.
$22 a month at planned parenthood. They cost even more ($26 a month) at the People's Community Clinic, which is the alleged "free" health clinic here.
And I live in a large, liberal city.
If it were at all feasible to hand out free packs of birth control pills to all comers, I'm sure Austin would've figured out a way to do it.
I don't believe anyone does it.

For one thing, it isn't safe to just give people birth control pills; they have to have to be examined by a doctor first, and then have an annual exam once a year while they're on it. Many types of birth control aren't safe for certain kinds of women- smokers, the obese, those with high blood pressure, women over 35, etc.
Nobody's handing out free birth control pills. That's ludicrous. They're a prescription drug, one with potentially deadly side effects if not prescribed by a medical professional. Generally, a doctor (whether a gyno in private practice or a doctor at a reproductive health clinic) will examine the patient, then write her a prescription for a year's worth of pills. Twelve refills.
She has to come back for another exam to get the prescription renewed.
 
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1069 said:
really?
I had to pay for my birth control pills, even before I had medical insurance.
$22 a month at planned parenthood. They cost even more ($26 a month) at the People's Community Clinic, which is the alleged "free" health clinic here.
And I live in a large, liberal city.
If it were at all feasible to hand out free packs of birth control pills to all comers, I'm sure Austin would've figured out a way to do it.
I don't believe anyone does it.

For one thing, it isn't safe to just give people birth control pills; they have to have to be examined by a doctor first, and then have an annual exam once a year while they're on it. Many types of birth control aren't safe for certain kinds of women- smokers, the obese, those with high blood pressure, women over 35, etc.
Nobody's handing out free birth control pills. That's ludicrous. They're a prescription drug, one with potentially deadly side effects if not prescribed by a medical professional. Generally, a doctor (whether a gyno in private practice or a doctor at a reproductive health clinic) will examine the patient, then write her a prescription for a year's worth of pills. Twelve refills.
She has to come back for another exam to get the prescription renewed.
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My gals pills just cost $72. Long story short we switched insurance and there was a gap.
 
winston53660 said:
My gals pills just cost $72. Long story short we switched insurance and there was a gap.
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She probably should've gone to PP or some other poor-people clinic.
But even so, they would've wanted to examine her before prescribing the pills (even if she could prove she'd been on them in the past), and the exam would've cost 50 or 60 bucks, and then the pills $25 or so (but they would've given her a twelve-month prescription).
So if this "gap" in your insurance isn't going to be more than a month or so, she probably made the wisest decision.
If it ends up being longer than that, I'd recommend getting them through a clinic.
 
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1069 said:
She probably should've gone to PP or some other poor-people clinic.
But even so, they would've wanted to examine her before prescribing the pills (even if she could prove she'd been on them in the past), and the exam would've cost 50 or 60 bucks, and then the pills $25 or so (but they would've given her a twelve-month prescription).
So if this "gap" in your insurance isn't going to be more than a month or so, she probably made the wisest decision.
If it ends up being longer than that, I'd recommend getting them through a clinic.
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Some people do not know to do that and if they get hit with the street price 72 bucks well......
 
winston53660 said:
Some people do not know to do that and if they get hit with the street price 72 bucks well......
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What do you mean, "street price"? :confused:
Do you mean she's buying them illegally somewhere without a prescription?
 
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