Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

WASHINGTON (AFP) — Two men released from the US "war on terror" prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba have appeared in a video posted on a jihadist website, the SITE monitoring service reported.

One of the two former inmates, a Saudi man identified as Abu Sufyan al-Azdi al-Shahri, or prisoner number 372, has been elevated to the senior ranks of Al-Qaeda in Yemen, a US counter-terrorism official told AFP.

Three other men appear in the video, including Abu al-Hareth Muhammad al-Oufi, identified as an Al-Qaeda field commander. SITE later said he was prisoner No. 333.

A Pentagon spokesman, Commander Jeffrey Gordon, on Saturday declined to confirm the SITE information.

"We remain concerned about ex-Guantanamo detainees who have re-affiliated with terrorist organizations after their departure," said Gordon.

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AFP: Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

Shocking. How many more will we see in the coming months?

What did you think was going to happen? We kept them in cages, humiliated them, shat on their holy bible. Are you seriously going to tell me that they would go back home and not speak a word of it, that they would forgive the torments they faced in that prison?

Are you out of your mind?

Arch Enemy said:

What did you think was going to happen? We kept them in cages, humiliated them, shat on their holy bible. Are you seriously going to tell me that they would go back home and not speak a word of it, that they would forgive the torments they faced in that prison?

Are you out of your mind?

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Then we should have shot them and be done with it.

Or

These were bad people, before, they were bad be in, and they are bad people now. Still we should have just shot them and been done with it.

It's inevitable that this will happen. It's a natural consequence of having fair trials where guilt needs to be proven rather than innocence. If we don't have enough evidence, we have to turn them loose. Hopefully we'll have better evidence against them next time, or better yet, they'll be killed in a gun fight or bombing.

MrVicchio said:

Then we should have shot them and be done with it.

Or

These were bad people, before, they were bad be in, and they are bad people now. Still we should have just shot them and been done with it.

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So we should consider them guilty of crimes before they actually commit any?

Please define a "bad person". While you are at it, please go through the list and tell me why each one of them was involuntarily thrown in a hell-hole, as in, what crime made them a "bad person" before.

Arch Enemy said:

So we should consider them guilty of crimes before they actually commit any?

Please define a "bad person". While you are at it, please go through the list and tell me why each one of them was involuntarily thrown in a hell-hole, as in, what crime made them a "bad person" before.

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I know, in your mind these were peace loving innocent folk ripped from their homes by the bad evil Americans, and we can only blame ourselves for their turn to evil.

It couldn't be they were captured acting against us, and since they don't wear uniforms, they lose the Geneva Convention POW coverage, and since they ain't American's no Constitution for them either.


I should try such such fairy-tale thinking for a while, it must be nice to live there. Where the only bad guys are our own military and security forces, and there are no real bad guys, jsut the ones we create.

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I know, in your mind these were peace loving innocent folk ripped from their homes by the bad evil Americans, and we can only blame ourselves for their turn to evil.

It couldn't be they were captured acting against us, and since they don't wear uniforms, they lose the Geneva Convention POW coverage, and since they ain't American's no Constitution for them either.


I should try such such fairy-tale thinking for a while, it must be nice to live there. Where the only bad guys are our own military and security forces, and there are no real bad guys, jsut the ones we create.

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I didn't ask for you to spew any more of your "you're living in a fairy-tale" speech. I asked for you to put forth facts that find these men guilty before they were locked up in Guantanamo. You know, how a civilized society processes it's criminals having a reason as to why you are locking them up.

I never said the American forces are "bad people". I do believe there are "bad people" within the American forces. There are "bad people" every where; to discern who is guilty and who isn't one must have.. you know... I believe that call them "trials", not to sure though..

Arch Enemy said:

I didn't ask for you to spew any more of your "you're living in a fairy-tale" speech. I asked for you to put forth facts that find these men guilty before they were locked up in Guantanamo. You know, how a civilized society processes it's criminals having a reason as to why you are locking them up.

I never said the American forces are "bad people". I do believe there are "bad people" within the American forces. There are "bad people" every where; to discern who is guilty and who isn't one must have.. you know... I believe that call them "trials", not to sure though..

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It's war, we don't have time for trials in war. Technically you can just shoot them on the battlefield, no questions asked.

Arch Enemy said:

I asked for you to put forth facts that find these men guilty before they were locked up in Guantanamo. You know, how a civilized society processes it's criminals having a reason as to why you are locking them up.

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Maybe it was the terrorist type behavior that preceded their capture? Maybe it was a tip? Do you know? I don't care. We're not operating in a world of perfect, we are at war with the most cowardly of enemies.

If you are at war and the enemy is not wearing uniforms, is hiding amongst civilians, uses Mosques, schools, hospitals...civilians as cover, and we grab a few "innocents" along the way... tough. That's the manner of war they foisted on their people. If we have to then send them through an obstacle course for them to prove their innocence... sorry... talk to your friendly neighborhood terrorists.

The procedure is for professionals in our military to sort this through. Not our court system. What happens if we capture a couple thousand of these rats during battle? We have to read them their rights, and run them through our court system? It's not what is done during war. Maybe we can send them to your town for a nice siesta.

What happens if there is a technical error made during the processing of said terrorist on the battlefield? He gets to skate non? After all, if the process isn't perfect, Ahmed the Terrorist gets a second chance to kill our soldiers. You think they won't know this?

What this will result in is more dead terrorists and civilians.
I guess that's the lib definition of humane.
Every time you folks want to "help" someone, be it Ahmed the Terrorist or Joe Six-Pack, you always end up "screwing" them.

This is just another instance.

I sense you really hate America and the military?

zimmer said:

Maybe it was the terrorist type behavior that preceded their capture? Maybe it was a tip? Do you know? I don't care. We're not operating in a world of perfect, we are at war with the most cowardly of enemies.

If you are at war and the enemy is not wearing uniforms, is hiding amongst civilians, uses Mosques, schools, hospitals...civilians as cover, and we grab a few "innocents" along the way... tough. That's the manner of war they foisted on their people. If we have to then send them through an obstacle course for them to prove their innocence... sorry... talk to your friendly neighborhood terrorists.

The procedure is for professionals in our military to sort this through. Not our court system. What happens if we capture a couple thousand of these rats during battle? We have to read them their rights, and run them through our court system? It's not what is done during war. Maybe we can send them to your town for a nice siesta.

What this will result in is more dead terrorists and civilians.
I guess that's humane.

I sense you really hate America and the military?

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No. I really love America and her military. I am proud that I was lucky enough to be born in this country, and that I am the rights and privileges that I do.

But being a part of the greatest country in the world. I have an entire list of standards I wish my country to adhere to. One of them, apparently sad to these warmongers on the forum, is equality under the laws on which her founders established. The constitution doesn't say "All Men (by Men I mean those who are born within the imaginary lines of what will be known as the Under States) are created equal".

Sure! Send them here. I'd love to have someone who has a different opinion of my country to live a day in my country and hate it that day they live in my country. They might even be accustomed to the sweet ice-tea extravaganza from Bojangles. If they say no to that then they couldn't possibly say no to a Bojangles chicken and cheese biscuit.

Arch Enemy said:

But being a part of the greatest country in the world. I have an entire list of standards I wish my country to adhere to.

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Like The Constitution? The floor by which all laws American are measured.

You must be appalled by the shredding of this document by the Socialists of American Party (SAPs) and the direction the country is headed.

As for wartime behavior by our military and the enemies we capture, we have standards for dealing with them and terrorists. They've been fine for treating enemies taken from the battle field for a good long while.

We also have Geneva Conventions; but these do not apply to terrorists.

We have a pretty good system, perhaps too lenient.

zimmer said:

Like The Constitution? The floor by which all laws American are measured.

You must be appalled by the shredding of this document by the Socialists of American Party (SAPs) and the direction the country is headed.

As for wartime behavior by our military and the enemies we capture, we have standards for dealing with them and terrorists. They've been fine for treating enemies taken from the battle field for a good long while.

We also have Geneva Conventions; but these do not apply to terrorists.

We have a pretty good system, perhaps too lenient.

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No my expectations/standards for my country are a bit more strict than our Constitution. Our constitution is pretty lenient in my opinion. Not even a smidgen as strict as the German constitution...
I have not actually read any reports of a German in an American P.O.W camp, nor a Vietnamese fighter in one, so I don't really know how their lives were. I doubt they were treated as horribly as the prisoners kept at Guantanamo. But this is pure speculation, I would be interested in finding out.

Please tell me exactly what a terrorist is.

No my expectations/standards for my country are a bit more strict than our Constitution.

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That's because the federal government is not supposed to be answering everything. States created the feds... and are similar to independent countries with their own constitutions.

Our constitution is pretty lenient in my opinion. Not even a smidgen as strict as the German constitution...

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LOL.

I have not actually read any reports of a German in an American P.O.W camp, nor a Vietnamese fighter in one, so I don't really know how their lives were. I doubt they were treated as horribly as the prisoners kept at Guantanamo.

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You are joking? These terrorists get food to fit their beliefs, time to pray 5-times daily, a Koran... these are terrorists.

Unbelievable.

Please tell me exactly what a terrorist is.

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Sorry... not going to waste my time. Why don't you tell me what one is?

zimmer said:

That's because the federal government is not supposed to be answering everything. States created the feds... and are similar to independent countries with their own constitutions.

LOL.

You are joking? These terrorists get food to fit their beliefs, time to pray 5-times daily, a Koran... these are terrorists.

Unbelievable.

Sorry... not going to waste my time. Why don't you tell me what one is?

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Fine I will.

Terrorists are any individuals who create a terrifying reaction, namely big explosions, neophobia, not death tolls, into a group of people or persons.

They also get their Koran shat on, and are treated to a cage. Not to mention waterboarding.

Arch Enemy said:

They also get their Koran shat on, and are treated to a cage. Not to mention waterboarding.

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Proof of the shatting?
Let me help you.

The newly declassified accounts, written primarily in 2002 and 2003, were released in the aftermath of an international uproar over a now-retracted story by Newsweek magazine, which reported that an internal military investigation had confirmed that a Koran was flushed down a toilet. Some administration officials have blamed the story for sparking riots overseas that left 16 people dead.

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Inmates Alleged Koran Abuse

16 dead because the press rushed to smear Bush with feces. Not much different from the forged documents run by CBS and the NY Times... only nobody died... though it was designed to change the course of the 2004 presidential election.

You see, part of the terrorists scheme in such situations is to make claims of abuse, knowing people like you will weep for them, come to their aid, ****e on their protectors. They learned this lesson having watched your kind operate with the assistance of the Commi's during Vietnam.

I think a cage is fine for animals like these. But the detention center has gone beyond cages long ago. It's wasn't like they were put in Alaska having to live in cages. It's paradise where they're at. They should chill and enjoy the service.

MrVicchio said:

AFP: Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

Shocking. How many more will we see in the coming months?

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Maybe we should have put them all in a very leaky boat and shipped them all home...:angel?:

How else can you logically deal with a human virus bred and manipulated since birth?

MrVicchio said:

AFP: Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video

Shocking. How many more will we see in the coming months?

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There were terrorists captured and put in Gitmo, but all the people there weren't terrorists. I don't think anyone makes the argument that everyone in Gitmo was innocent; rather the argument was that the methodology we used to arrest people and throw them into there was so broad in scope that in the process of getting some of these terrorists we picked up a good number of innocent people as well.

Ikari said:

There were terrorists captured and put in Gitmo, but all the people there weren't terrorists. I don't think anyone makes the argument that everyone in Gitmo was innocent; rather the argument was that the methodology we used to arrest people and throw them into there was so broad in scope that in the process of getting some of these terrorists we picked up a good number of innocent people as well.

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Tell me, you speak like you know the percentages and totals.
What are they?

Hint: The numbers are so small, a "good number" looks like a pittance, especially as we are fighting an enemy that does not wear a uniform and uses civilians as cover.