He kills 2 babies and a nurse with a knife

Middleground said:

Amazing that abortion can find it's way into this discussion. Sorry... it's off-topic.

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amazing that abortion can find its way into a discussion about murdering babies? not to me.

Dynamic said:

Children are still punished. And as they should be.

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Their parents are responsible if they crash the car or set the neighbor's house on fire.

And if they wound/kill someone they go to specialised courts (I don't know how you call it, here it is the "judge for youth") that takes special measures because at a low age there are still chances to re-educate them and change them. Sending them to jail is not the appropriate measure to take.

As for the crazy/retardeds...who commit crimes, a jail is not the appropriate place to them: they are ill and should be treated. When they are dangerous they aren't allowed to get out of the psychiatric center, but it's not a "penal measure", it's not a "jail". The result is the same (they don't get out) but the goal (punishing vs healing) and the measures (jail vs psychiatric center) are different

Middleground said:

Having said that, would you not agree that this person is NOT of sound mind?

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I am not going to makes a trans-Eurasiatic diagnosis. He does sound pretty messed up though.

Someone who does something like this is empty and devoid of any emotions. Kinda reminds me of something from a horror movie and like something Micheal Myers would do

emdash said:

amazing that abortion can find its way into a discussion about murdering babies? not to me.

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You do know the differences between an embryo, a fetus, and a baby right? Abortions don't "kill babies."

Middleground said:

Having said that, would you not agree that this person is NOT of sound mind?

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To me, that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not this person is "salvageable". The death penalty should not be approached as a punishment, but rather an ultimate protection against those who, if by some fluke escape imprisonment, would definitely harm other, innocent, members of society.

The death penalty isn't punishment. It is termination of a perpetual and unrepentant destructive human force. It is unfortunate, but it is a fact of life.

Smoke[MaxX] said:

You do know the differences between an embryo, a fetus, and a baby right? Abortions don't "kill babies."

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Abortion is the murder of an unborn child.

Dynamic said:

You cannot force someone to take their medication. You cannot make sure that someone is always within their "sound mind". What if this person is clearly not "insane"? What if he is? Doesn't matter. Murder is muder no matter which way you look at it. I don't care what state of mind you are in. If you're drunk--that doesn't excuse you. If you're supposed to be on medication and are not, that doesn't excuse you. If you're high, that doesn't excuse you. There are consequences for ones actions. There are no excuses if you straight up murder someone.

Anyone can claim they have mental issues. I'd say it's fair to say that most people have mental issues. But it doesn't mean that they should be let off because they have issues.

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I'm only playing armchair psychiatrist here, so I'm not an expert. What I can decipher, though, is that it seems to be a random act. It's not like this cold-blooded murderer has something against the infants and just had to kill them. I guess it is possible that he's as cold-blooded and evil as they come, but it seems to me that there is something seriously wrong upstairs.

BTW, I do know some people who are totally different without their medications. I was almost attacked once by some guy who was convinced I was Mick Jagger. Even if I was a guy, I don't come close to looking like him, LOL. I guess what I'm trying to say is that those with certain mental disorders cannot think clearly. At least not without a proper diagnosis and medication. Drinking and drugs are a choice.

Middleground said:

I'm only playing armchair psychiatrist here, so I'm not an expert. What I can decipher, though, is that it seems to be a random act. It's not like this cold-blooded murderer has something against the infants and just had to kill them. I guess it is possible that he's as cold-blooded and evil as they come, but it seems to me that there is something seriously wrong upstairs.

BTW, I do know some people who are totally different without their medications. I was almost attacked once by some guy who was convinced I was Mick Jagger. Even if I was a guy, I don't come close to looking like him, LOL. I guess what I'm trying to say is that those with certain mental disorders cannot think clearly. At least not without a proper diagnosis and medication. Drinking and drugs are a choice.

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Oh, well I suppose that makes it okay then. He didn't have a motive so it's not as serious! Don't punish the guy because he's not of sound mind seeing as he doesn't have a history, and it seems he doesn't have a motive. A person who has no motive is more dangerous to me compared to a person who does have a motive. I'm not suggesting he be given the death penalty (because I do not agree with it), but I am suggesting his sentencing not be taken lightly or be reduced because he has "mental issues". It is so easy to claim mental insanity. It is an easy way out without having to live up to the appropriate consequences for your actions.

I'm sorry, but I don't see why keeping people like this as members of our society is anything but detrimental.

Even if the person can be "Salvaged" like Jallman said... then what? Is someone who cut up a couple babies and medical staff going to be let back out into the public?

Perhaps I don't understand exactly what CAN be done about this.

Even if they are able to "Fix" the person, what happens when they have flashbacks not so different to our Vietnam veterans?

****ing life!

Middleground said:

A person who's mentally ill can commit acts that they wouldn't if they were of sound mind or under proper medication.

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It doesn't matter if the person is "mentally ill". A crime has still been committed and there are still victims whose loved ones demand justice. As another poster pointed out normal people(with exception to military and self defense) do not kill other people.

It seems to be a problem more than ever. By killing this man (or as you described, "putting him down") it will not accomplish one thing, IMO.

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Actually it will accomplish a couple of things. The first thing it will accomplish is justice for the victim's loved ones. The second thing it will ensure is that this individual will never be able to harm anyone again and that includes prison guards and other prison staff and that includes other inmates as well. The third thing it accomplishes is that no matter what liberal rat judge gets appointed to the bench or how crafty the prisoner is there will be absolutely no worry of him escaping or getting out of prison. So it is a load of bull **** when you and other scumbag sympathizers say executing that scumbag will accomplish nothing.

bub said:

According to the TV he thinks he is the Joker in Batman. He had some make up to look like him, yesterday was the anniversary of the death of Heath Ledger, and when he was arrested the only thing he has done in front of the policemen was laughing.

That is really sick :shock:

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I propose a 5 yr moratorium on Batman movies, nay - ALL movies - until we can study the effects of it on our youth. OBVIOUSLY movies are a significant contributing factor to the violence of the world. How many more people have to die before we do something about it?!!

Smoke[MaxX] said:

You do know the differences between an embryo, a fetus, and a baby right? Abortions don't "kill babies."

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the difference between a fetus and a baby is a millisecond. it doesn't take much of an imagination to make the leap.