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Family Guy said:
What a hoot reading the pitiful Republicans so impotent in so many ways trying to find even the smallest crumb to hang your hats on! :rofl

There's a new sheriff in town and he's not going to let the old GOP ninkompoops get away with squat.

Carry on with your sore loser posts they are quite amusing! LOVE IT!
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This post is a perfect example of democrats don't have the first clue how to actually keep power once they have it temporarily. Yes, it may be fun to crow and caw about being in power for a little while but it does not help the country one bit.

There are sore losers but there are also graceless and classless winners, too. Thanks for setting the bar there, family. ;)
 
Family Guy said:
Under the anti-science government created by Bush embryonic stem cells were not allowed to be used by government paid for programs unless they were created before a certain date. He retarded the research that Obama has now resurrected and thank God we can now step out of the Bush voodoo age and iinto modern times.
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So in reality nothings going to change except for government hands out money to people who don't deserve it and don't have to produce any results.

Family Guy said:
Gitmo was an incredible black eye for America and who knows how many Americans have died and will died because of what we did to people at Gitmo.

No one is calling for the release of the bad guys. People are demending that they are allowed to be tried and that they not be tortured. Moving them anywhere makes America look better.
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If you could articulate all your posts like this you would have a lot more respect from me.

Family Guy said:
You missed my point. The Republican party is bankrupt of viable national candidates and Sarah Palin is a prime example of how poor your choices are.
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Sure Sarah Palin was used as a pawn for the McCain campaign but she most likely won't be back for the next round of elections (I could be wrong). You should take off your partisan blinders and see how the Dems do the exact same thing.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
So in reality nothings going to change except for government hands out money to people who don't deserve it and don't have to produce any results.
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I disagree 100% because the history of American scientific achievement is all about government sponsored research. More people plus more money equals faster and better results. To think otherwise is either partisan politics or ignorance IMHO.
Harry Guerrilla said:
Sure Sarah Palin was used as a pawn for the McCain campaign but she most likely won't be back for the next round of elections (I could be wrong). You should take off your partisan blinders and see how the Dems do the exact same thing.
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Palin was, IMHO, the worst national candidate I've ever seen in my life, except perhaps for Spiro Agnew but he was more evil than stupid. She's just not smart, had no experience in the spotlight and she choked when she had to produce.

I think my favorite Palin interview is the one after the election where the turkeys are being beheaded behind her as she talks about having "pardoned" one! It is a YouTube classic.

Four years ago we Democrats knew we had some excellent candidates potentially running in 2008; Obama, Clinton, Biden, Edwards etc.

Now think about today, four years before the next cycle who do the GOP have in the wings? Romney? Palin? Huckabee? If you're objective I think you will admit that these are all losers and you really don't have anyone (so far) on the horizon who has any national charisma the way Obama and Clinton did in 2004.
 
Family Guy said:
I disagree 100% because the history of American scientific achievement is all about government sponsored research. More people plus more money equals faster and better results. To think otherwise is either partisan politics or ignorance IMHO.
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The innovators of the past 200 years did not rely on government sponsorship to achieve their goals. Think Edison, Tesla, Torvalds, etc etc. They created there ideas and funded them on their own.


Family Guy said:
Palin was, IMHO, the worst national candidate I've ever seen in my life, except perhaps for Spiro Agnew but he was more evil than stupid. She's just not smart, had no experience in the spotlight and she choked when she had to produce.

I think my favorite Palin interview is the one after the election where the turkeys are being beheaded behind her as she talks about having "pardoned" one! It is a YouTube classic.

Four years ago we Democrats knew we had some excellent candidates potentially running in 2008; Obama, Clinton, Biden, Edwards etc.

Now think about today, four years before the next cycle who do the GOP have in the wings? Romney? Palin? Huckabee? If you're objective I think you will admit that these are all losers and you really don't have anyone (so far) on the horizon who has any national charisma the way Obama and Clinton did in 2004.
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Palin was a calculated counter to Obama. It was a contest of who has more oppressed minorities.

We well probably never agree but Huckabee and Paul were the best ones as they wanted to remove government manipulation from our lives.
 
Family Guy said:
What a hoot reading the pitiful Republicans so impotent in so many ways trying to find even the smallest crumb to hang your hats on! :rofl

There's a new sheriff in town and he's not going to let the old GOP ninkompoops get away with squat.

Carry on with your sore loser posts they are quite amusing! LOVE IT!
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Nothing more childish and grotesque than a sore winner.

Seriously dude, you're soiling Peter Griffin.
 
jallman said:
This post is a perfect example of democrats don't have the first clue how to actually keep power once they have it temporarily. Yes, it may be fun to crow and caw about being in power for a little while but it does not help the country one bit.

There are sore losers but there are also graceless and classless winners, too. Thanks for setting the bar there, family. ;)
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I should have read this before I posted. :doh

Nice to see you again, Jall! :2wave:
 
StandUpChuck said:
Nothing more childish and grotesque than a sore winner.

Seriously dude, you're soiling Peter Griffin.
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Sore winners happened with Bush too. They are on both sides of the fence. This year, though, we do hear about sore winner Democrats, that's for sure.

Look what happened when the Republican party got arrogant. Democrats are not learning that lesson, so they will fall too, hopefully by 2012.
 
Indy said:
Wow. It's actually a little bit sad watching all of you act like this because you lost an election. Grow up. He made an innocent comment in the meeting to get the point across that just being flat against something that we are going to do is not helpful. They need to work with the group to get something that works and that they are more comfortable with or shut the hell up. If they don't help out then they can't bitch when something gets passed that is far left of what they would have gotten otherwise.

Predictable responses:
"I was for <enter name here> not McCain" translation: Bull****, I just wanted to feel special so I picked an alternative party to support. I knew we were going to loose and bitching makes me feel better.
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You see Indy, "innocent" to you or not innocent to me, the remark was revealing for a couple reasons:

1. It illustrated he is not a Uniter. It was red meat to his base, but at a cost. That cost will be obvious on Monday and ensuing week and months.

His base doesn't need red meat at the cost of waking the opposition by playing clearly partisan politics; they have control... they don't have 60 in the Senate... but otherwise it's your show. This guy is supposed to be bright?

2. It was a blatant wake-up call to the opposition. Leave sleeping bears sleep. Thank you Obama.

3. As for working with "the group"... Republicans don't have to participate in anything. They can leave the dirty work to the Democrats. It's their show.

By the tone of your post, I have the feeling you know Obama made an unforced error. When you invite the No.1 republican to the fight personally, you have made a significant error in judgment.

Rush will be armed and ready, as will much of talk radio.

He could have ignored Limbaugh, but didn't.

In the words of Dee Dee Myers; "rookie mistake".

Others would say... "dumb".
 
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zimmer said:
Rush will be armed and ready, as will much of talk radio.

In the words of Dee Dee Myers; "rookie mistake".
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I have to agree with you here.:doh
 
Family Guy said:
Originally Posted by Family Guy


And where do I say that we're not a Republic? I said that the Democrats have a superior majority which will allow us to pass lots of legislation something that we were unable to do the past 8 years under the idiot formerly known as George.
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You used an appeal to majority, that is what democracies do, we are a republic. You call George Bush an idiot and cannot even see why your attempt at making a point follows inconsistent logic, you call GWB an idiot because you didn't agree with his policies, and the Republicans flawed for using the majority, then you want the Democrats to shove policy through and call Republicans sore losers for fighting back, even though they have done so less vehemently than Democrats ever did and for more reasons. Finally, you call people whiners because they don't like the appeal to majority that Obama, the Democrats, and their idealogically weak base want to shove through and cannot even see why you are being hypocrites and have no leg to stand on.....you fail.

The voice of America wants the Democrats to rule the roost and until we're voted out we will do that and do our best to get the things we believe in enacted.
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The voice of America elected Democrats because the media exploited some weak Republicans who made bad decisions. Don't get ahead of yourselves and certainly don't assume Americans are in line with you idealogically.

In a short few days we've already closed Gitmo, eliminated extraordinary rendition, CIA prisons restarted Science with things like embyonic stem cell research and this is all in the first few days. This is only the first weekend of President Obama's eight years.
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Closing Gitmo was a stupid idea, any innocent blood spilled is on Democrat hands, the rest I don't care about, but other Americans do.

As the opposition I expect you to not be happy with these things for if you were you would have voted for Obama. We Democrats had to suck it up and watch Bush be the worst President maybe ever and still there were/are Republicans who support him.
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If you think Bush was the worst president ever you are either too young or have too bad of a memory to know about the Carter years, secondly, Bush was more liberal than we liked but at least he knew where to draw the line, your guys are going too overreach and when they do there will be a backlash, but hey, keep advocating for ridiculous government growth and see where it gets you.
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Sir Loin said:
I have to agree with you here.:doh
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This is a pretty good summary of the first week.
Barack Obama picks a fight with Rush Limbaugh as bipartisan spirit crumbles - Telegraph
Let's say we can start adding flesh to the trifecta of hollowness.

Hope... for terrorists and abortionists.
Change... "I won"... (I am the decider).
Unite... Except for conservatives.

After less than a week in office, Mr Obama's presidency is already encountering the very partisan bickering he had pledged to stamp out during his first 100 days.
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That takes talent considering the fury with which the press waved their pom-poms.

He faces mounting criticism over his $825 billion economic stimulus plan, from Republican leaders who say the legislation has been drawn up without the input which Mr Obama had promised to allow them.
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C'mon... he's a socialist of the Marx variety. What do you expect? Honesty.

The president responded with a clear signal that he is prepared to ram the bill through without the bipartisan consensus he promised to construct, telling Republican leaders from the House of Representatives: "I won. I'm the president."
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This is the Obama I love. Unscripted and shooting in his own basket. I can hear the veterans in the background screaming... No Barry!!! Noooooooooooooooooooooo! Aw...F*** how f***'in stupid.

Meanwhile Hillary sits in the State Dept., hears this, calls Bill and The Clintons begin plotting their 2011 return. Can just hear the call:

H: Hey Bill...
B: You saw it too?
H. (Laughing...) Oh yeah...
B. Don't worry I just got off the horn with Carville... he wasn't surprised...
H. How can you be... you could see he wasn't ready for prime time... He was barely ready for the senate... in Illinois...
B. Well, I've got to return a call to a potential fundraiser for 2012...
H. Good luck, don't promise too much
B. (Howling) C'mon, who do you think I am...Obama...

He then told them to break free of the confrontational mindset epitomised by Mr Limbaugh, the highest paid talk show host in America. "You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done," Mr Obama said.
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Limbaugh is confrontational, but Obama is a community agitator of the saul Alinsky school. All cooperation all the time.

Obama and his brilliance accomplished so much for the republican base in the first week, we just can't wait for him spend more time in front of the cameras... unscripted.

LOL... so much fun so quickly.
 
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danarhea said:
Sore winners happened with Bush too. They are on both sides of the fence. This year, though, we do hear about sore winner Democrats, that's for sure.
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And a bear just relieved himself in the woods. Doesn't matter. I'm talking about the immature gloating of board members like FG and even Obama himself. "I won" to shush another opinion. How diplomatic. I hope he doesn't end up being a roll model to my kid.

I never gloated when Bush won. In fact, I sincerely felt for the Gore supporters because that was a long drawn out ending to the race. I teach my kid not to gloat and laugh at people. I don't see people whining because we lost the election. We know we lost. We accept that. We're not demanding recounts. We're restructuring our party. The same people who laugh and call us sore losers are the very same people who nitpicked GWB for every little thing. Probably even called him a "moron" for nuc-ular. They don't like it when their guy is under the microscope, so they'll attack the messenger. :roll: I don't expect that here. I expect debate and a little humor. I left because of the vitriol being spewed around here and was hoping now with the election behind us, we can actually debate (it also helps to see KK isn't spamming the BN board with wierd stuff ;)) But then I see junk like what FG posted there complete with rolling emoticon, and it really makes me wonder about the caliber of *some* supporters.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
You used an appeal to majority, that is what democracies do, we are a republic. You call George Bush an idiot and cannot even see why your attempt at making a point follows inconsistent logic, you call GWB an idiot because you didn't agree with his policies,
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Actually I think he's an idiot after watching and hearing him for the past 8 years. His record of mistake after mistake after mistake coupled with too numerous remarks that he made convinced me that he truly is an idiot. Comparing his intellect to President Clinton is a perfect example of smart brilliant (Clinton) versus stupid inept.

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and the Republicans flawed for using the majority, then you want the Democrats to shove policy through and call Republicans sore losers for fighting back, even though they have done so less vehemently than Democrats ever did and for more reasons.
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I do not understand how you can compare 5 days in office to 8 years. To suggest that the GOP are opposing Democrats less vehemently in the first week of the Obama Administration is truly not a fair comparison.

LaMidRighter said:
The voice of America elected Democrats because the media exploited some weak Republicans who made bad decisions. Don't get ahead of yourselves and certainly don't assume Americans are in line with you idealogically.
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For now until there's a measurable change I think it is accurate to state that the Democrats & Obama have a good amount of political capitol and that the mood in the country is for Democrats to show us what they can do.
LaMidRighter said:
Closing Gitmo was a stupid idea, any innocent blood spilled is on Democrat hands, the rest I don't care about, but other Americans do.
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Are you unable to see the public relations advantage of closing Gitmo? Surely you do not believe that closing it means that we're releasing the prisoners there? When I read the arguments here for keeping Gitmo open most posters are stating that this means we're opening the gates and letting everyone go which is completely inaccurate.

LaMidRighter said:
If you think Bush was the worst president ever you are either too young or have too bad of a memory to know about the Carter years, secondly, Bush was more liberal than we liked but at least he knew where to draw the line, your guys are going too overreach and when they do there will be a backlash, but hey, keep advocating for ridiculous government growth and see where it gets you.
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Carter was not a good President BUT he was far superior to Bush in almost every way. Bush humiliated America in the eyes of the world and we will probably never know how many Americans have died and will die directly because of the amazing recruiting job that Bush did for Al Qaeda through his cowboy mentality.

Here's an interesting piece from today's Washington Post defining the immediate differences between Bush the Cowboy and Obama the Diplomat:

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The point of the story is that Bush was Al Qaeda's greatest weapon against America and now with Obama they have an opponent who is liked in the Arab world and is not aiding AQ in recruiting new terrorists.
 
Carter was not a good President BUT he was far superior to Bush in almost every way.
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This is part of what drove me from being a socialist. The damn lies that needed to be waged at every turn. Ignore history... make it up as you go.

Carter:
Iran Hostage crisis created by his own doing.
Stagflation; double digit inflation and interest rates.
Military in tatters.
Communist expansion.

Just to name a few success stories.

Bush:
Freed 50 million.
Saddam is now a footnote in history.
Discovered a nuke corner store; AQ Khan
Libya surrenders weapons.
Recession due to tech bubble inherited, then 911; Bush tax cuts get economy rolling.
Economy on the whole better than Clinton's.

Bush humiliated America in the eyes of the world and we will probably never know how many Americans have died and will die directly because of the amazing recruiting job that Bush did for Al Qaeda through his cowboy mentality.
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Democrats voiced support and Saddam's threats before 911. Democrats voted to authorize force. The people that have blood on their hands are Democrats that emboldened terrorists during an ongoing war.

The point of the story is that Bush was Al Qaeda's greatest weapon against America and now with Obama they have an opponent who is liked in the Arab world and is not aiding AQ in recruiting new terrorists.
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LOL. Sorry, but that is funny. Was it in the funnies section?
 
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Are all of you really under the impression that Rush has real power? How cute.
 
moe said:
:shock: NO WAY! Well Should have known the condoms were not for us they like riding us bare back to much. We seem to be close to the same age.
We are getting little long in the tooth for retraining. Lots of places do not want to hire us older guys because we are getting close to the age where medical problems start showing up.

I see you are a 3 year hitch Viet nam era vet. Me to, 4 years. 73 to 77. USS RANGER CVA 61


I wish you the best of luck trying to get it all back in one sock Rodney and God bless.:2wave:

Moe
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...The one sock rule is the better of two choices when the other is ...,"Those dead beat boomers won`t work anymore,lets shovel dirt in their face". I have degrees,I am signed up for yet another,and I still have hope.Good luck to you too.... Moe,I went to "operation stand down" Here in Nashville,47% of the homeless ,are veterans. I don`t know what thats about,given the higher bar for entry into the armed forces it would seem we(veterans) are a cut above, and I know more highly skilled/trainable than the average.... If it`s because we are damaged goods through ,"our involvement", then give us a sock....BIRD FARMER!
 
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Indy said:
Are all of you really under the impression that Rush has real power? How cute.
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Just think, the newly minted President of the United States singled out a private individual that commands a nationwide audience of some 20 million weekly for 15 hours.

I don't think he would have done it if he did not see him as a viable force.

Obama knows Limbaugh is a force. He witnessed it first hand with Operation Chaos, dragging out the Democrat race to the bitter end.

He know Limbaugh is the voice of the opposition.

He knows, and made the Dumb mistake of letting it be known that he knows.

You may not... but BO knows.
 
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Family Guy said:
Actually I think he's an idiot after watching and hearing him for the past 8 years. His record of mistake after mistake after mistake coupled with too numerous remarks that he made convinced me that he truly is an idiot. Comparing his intellect to President Clinton is a perfect example of smart brilliant (Clinton) versus stupid inept.
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Clinton had plenty of mistakes, but he wasn't stupid, neither was Bush. You fail to see that you are practicing what we like to call Kool-aid drinking, you say Bush made "mistake after mistake after mistake" without giving one example, same with your "stupid remark" comment, you sound like you just picked up a sound bite of Kennedy and Kerry and passed it along as fact. I can tell you what I don't like about a politician and political party trying to silence a private citizen(Rush, Joe the Plumber, Hannity, talk radio), which is what we are discussing in this thread. Here's a hint, it has something to do with freedom of speech and right to petition.


I do not understand how you can compare 5 days in office to 8 years. To suggest that the GOP are opposing Democrats less vehemently in the first week of the Obama Administration is truly not a fair comparison.
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That is the same thing Democrats said about the "rubber stamp" Bush administration, from week one Bush was under a microscope, so don't complain when your guy is up for criticism.


Are you unable to see the public relations advantage of closing Gitmo?
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**** public relations, we are talking about murderers and terrorists here.
Surely you do not believe that closing it means that we're releasing the prisoners there?
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Where are they going to go? and what is the strategic advantage over being on an island in maximum security?
When I read the arguments here for keeping Gitmo open most posters are stating that this means we're opening the gates and letting everyone go which is completely inaccurate.
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What are the advantages over being surrounded by an ocean in a maximum security prison then?


Carter was not a good President BUT he was far superior to Bush in almost every way.
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Bull, Carter was double digit in everything bad and single digit in everything good, even with a democrat friendly media he looked like an idiot. They had to create the misery index because of his presidency.
Bush humiliated America in the eyes of the world and we will probably never know how many Americans have died and will die directly because of the amazing recruiting job that Bush did for Al Qaeda through his cowboy mentality.
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I don't care what the world thinks, because they don't run THIS country, and don't have a say over our security, sovreignity, or constitution, Carter humiliated us internally and externally, neither foreign nor domestic policy were worth a damn.
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zimmer said:
Just think, the newly minted President of the United States singled out a private individual that commands a nationwide audience of some 20 million weekly for 15 hours.

I don't think he would have done it if he did not see him as a viable force.

Obama knows Limbaugh is a force. He witnessed it first hand with Operation Chaos, dragging out the Democrat race to the bitter end.

He know Limbaugh is the voice of the opposition.

He knows, and made the Dumb mistake of letting it be known that he knows.

You may not... but BO knows.
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A Viable force like the one that allowed Hillary to best Obama in the primaries? Operation Chaos anyone? 'Nuff said. He's a joke. A punchline for late-night comics.
 
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A Viable force like the one that allowed Hillary to best Obama in the primaries? Operation Chaos anyone? 'Nuff said. He's a joke. A punchline for late-night comics.
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You are right.
Obama should be on later.


PS. Hillary was all but done, Limbaugh knew it but figured prolonging the misery on the left would be good. It would have been had the Republicans nominated their candidate.
 
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You fail to see that you are practicing what we like to call Kool-aid drinking, you say Bush made "mistake after mistake after mistake" without giving one example, same with your "stupid remark" comment, you sound like you just picked up a sound bite of Kennedy and Kerry and passed it along as fact. I can tell you what I don't like about a politician and political party trying to silence a private citizen(Rush, Joe the Plumber, Hannity, talk radio), which is what we are discussing in this thread. Here's a hint, it has something to do with freedom of speech and right to petition.
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Below is a piece of a piece from the Washington Times hardly a anti-Bush paper and I also found it on National Review Online another conservative group.

As he heads to Texas, Mr. Bush should reflect on these 10 more important mistakes that shaped his presidency:

-- Not getting congressional buy-in on detention policy immediately after Sept. 11, 2001. Going to Congress would have forced more deliberation when the administration was rushing into the hasty improvisation of Gitmo and made it harder for Democrats to grandstand once it became controversial.

-- An ineffective management style. Bush the “CEO president” wisely wanted to delegate. Alas, the quality of some of his Texas loyalists wasn't particularly high, and when people under Mr. Bush failed, his first instinct was to stand by them stalwartly (see Rumsfeld, Don) rather than to hold them accountable.

-- Not replacing George Tenet after Sept. 11. Someone should have taken responsibility after the terror attacks. Mr. Tenet's exit wouldn't have prevented the debacle over weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but at least he wouldn't have been around to give his dramatic “slam-dunk” demonstration in the Oval Office.

-- Deferring to his generals. Mr. Bush believed his job was to listen to his generals and give them what they wanted. This made him overly passive during much of the Iraq war. It wasn't until his generals had nearly lost the war that Mr. Bush fully stepped up to his role as commander in chief, going around the brass to order the surge, the most successful and consequential initiative of his second term.

-- Not taking charge during Katrina. As soon as the National Weather Service bulletins were warning of the possible destruction of an American city, Mr. Bush should have rode herd on the tangled homeland security bureaucracy and, once the storm hit, federalized the response to save New Orleans from the incompetence and limited capabilities of its state and local governments.

-- Too much accommodation of a Republican Congress. Mr. Bush got what he wanted out of Congress at the price of looking the other way from burgeoning earmarks and a creeping culture of corruption. More triangulation at the expense of his own party's leaders would have served Mr. Bush - and perhaps the ill-fated GOP majority - well.

-- Not reading enough history. Mr. Bush has admirably applied himself to an extensive reading program as president, but if he had absorbed more history before taking office - particularly about military matters - he would have had a better grounding to make important decisions.

-- Refusing to settle the internal war within his administration. The acrimony between the State Department and CIA on the one hand and the Defense Department and vice president's office on the other was poisonous and debilitating. It hampered the prosecution of the Iraq war and led to the “Scooter” Libby mess that was the highest-profile “scandal” of an otherwise relatively clean administration.

- Underestimating the power of explanation. By temperament and ability, Mr. Bush was more a “decider” than a “persuader.” He is not naturally drawn to public argument, giving his administration its unfortunate (and not entirely fair) “my way or the highway” reputation at home and abroad.

- Ignoring health-care reform too long. By the time Mr. Bush unveiled a serious and sensible health-care reform in 2007, it was dead on arrival, leaving Democrats with the initiative on this crucial issue.
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Washington Times - LOWRY: Ten Bush mistakes

Here's a top 8 list re Bush and the economy:

1. The Return to Deficits - A Look Back at Bush's Economic Missteps - TIME

Here's a list of 100 Bush mistakes from a 2004 article:

100 Mistakes for the President to Choose From

And some more....

A list of George W. Bush's mistakes or disappointments in presidency, according to him

I can go on forever. Do you think Bush was a "good" President?
 
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Again, the sore winners would rather make a thread about President Bush than address the arrogance of their dear leader.
 
StandUpChuck said:
Again, the sore winners would rather make a thread about President Bush than address the arrogance of their dear leader.
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Exactly, they won't address that Obama is taking shots at a private citizen less than a week in office, rather they try to rehash the same Bush bashing.
 
Family Guy said:
Below is a piece of a piece from the Washington Times hardly a anti-Bush paper and I also found it on National Review Online another conservative group.
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Okay, you found an article with opinions on mistakes, many I agree with, now what's your take on it, or do you just want to point out what others call Bush mistakes.



I can go on forever. Do you think Bush was a "good" President?
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Bush was a decent president, compared to the alternatives in '00 and '04 he was a great president, There were things the outgoing president did well, military response to terrorism, handling of a two-war front, tax relief, etc. He did some things badly like: No Child left behind(a Kennedy bill), spent way too much, should have reigned in the housing market, and expanded government instead of shrinking it.
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