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Obama to end anti-abortion policy for overseas funds

I think you're in denial about the real issue here. "happen to offer abortion education"? we're talking U.S. bucks going to clinics that perform abortions.

Were talking about US dollars going to clinics that provide all education and procedures.

The funding was previously denied to not only clinics that performed abortions but clinics that even offered education on abortions.
 
How would this change my opinion that my money should not go to third world abortion clinics?

The funding isn't for "abortion clinics". It is for any non-governmental organization that performs services in other countries. The rule just happens to burden family clinics. Those clinics that help educate individuals on safe-sex, STDs, pregnancy, and raising children.

Why should these clinics be denied funding because they offer education on abortion? Under the policy clinics would even be denied funding if they offered education on why NOT to have an abortion.
 
The funding isn't for "abortion clinics". It is for any non-governmental organization that performs services in other countries. The rule just happens to burden family clinics. Those clinics that help educate individuals on safe-sex, STDs, pregnancy, and raising children.

Why should these clinics be denied funding because they offer education on abortion? Under the policy clinics would even be denied funding if they offered education on why NOT to have an abortion.

1. because they are foreign.

2. because abortion kills life.

any questions?
 
You can't expect to vote on every program the US administers. That is why we elect representatives.
I see, so I have no right to object?
 
The funding isn't for "abortion clinics". It is for any non-governmental organization that performs services in other countries. The rule just happens to burden family clinics. Those clinics that help educate individuals on safe-sex, STDs, pregnancy, and raising children.

Why should these clinics be denied funding because they offer education on abortion? Under the policy clinics would even be denied funding if they offered education on why NOT to have an abortion.

Hey Gib long time no see, welcome back.......
 
Hey Gib long time no see, welcome back.......

Thanks NP. Have a baby on the way so been taking on a lot of freelance work. Sucks the recreational time away :2wave:
 
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Congrats on the baby. Is it your first?

Thanks.

It is. It's very exciting but also tiresome. I can only imagine what it will be like once he arrives. I'm looking forward to it more each day.
 
You know, I don't have a problem with people living overseas getting abortions. I DO have a problem that we are funding them, especially at a time in which we are having huge financial problems of our own.

Before we give out money to other nations, let's take care of Americans first. Let other nations deal with their own problems, and let's deal with OURS.

Article is here.

Your article doesn't give the name of the policy being over turned.

Could you please supply that information?
 
This quote from the article on yahoo caught my attention..


Obama signs order reversing abortion-funds policy - Yahoo! News

Anti-Abortionists (along with abstinence supporters) seem to believe that denial of a service or lack of education help stop what ever it is they want stopped.

Education and a well funded knowledge on safety measures are the only way to stop abortions.

Abortion should be legal, available, and completely unnecessary.

From your link:
Population Action International, an advocacy group, said that the policy had "severely impacted" women's health and that the step "will help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, abortions and women dying from high-risk pregnancies because they don't have access to family planning."

If I'm not mistaken, we are denying funds because **they force women to abort**.
 
A clinic supporting a third world country shouldn't be denied support because they happen to have an abortion education program among their hundreds of other programs.

They were not denied aid because they had an education program in place.

They were denied aid because they were forcing women to have abortions against their will and they were supporting forced sterilization.


Population Action International : Population Action International Joins European Partners in Condemning U.S. Government Ban on Contraceptives to Africa

...USAID Assistant Administrator for Global Health Kent Hill justified this decision because MSI works in China, by which he asserts that the nonprofit organization is guilty under the terms of the Kemp-Kasten amendment to have “support[ed] or participate[d] in the management of a program of coercive abortion or involuntary sterilization,” even though there’s no evidence to this accusation.

Here's the evidence:
Forced Abortion Still Part of China's Population Control Regime says US Human Rights Report

WASHINGTON, March 1, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – On February 28, 2005, the US State Department released its 2004 Human Rights Report. The report entitled "Country Reports on Human Rights Practices" is submitted to Congress by the Department of State in compliance with laws requiring the department to submit "a full and complete report regarding the status of internationally recognized human rights . . . in countries that receive (US) assistance.”

Regarding China, the report notes that “Violence against women, including imposition of a coercive birth limitation policy that resulted in instances of forced abortion and forced sterilization, continued to be a problem, as did prostitution.”

The report outlines in detail the barbaric population control practices employed by the Chinese government. “Under the country's family planning law and policies,” said the report, “citizens in 6 of the country's 31 provinces still were required to apply for government permission before having a first child, and the Government continued to restrict the number of births.”


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Here is the most recent report: Country Reports on Human Rights Practices 2007

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I love it when people tell me to “give Obama a chance” and “rally behind Obama and support him because he’s the president”…first Obama openly supports killing born citizens because they are unwanted, and now he supports forced abortion/sterilization. At least the founder of Planned Parenthood had the balls to admit that the pro-choice movement is about culling the population and fascism, but Obama still hides behind surrogate arguments like "a woman's right to choose" and an army of useful idiots.

That's the change we need :doh
 
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You know, I don't have a problem with people living overseas getting abortions. I DO have a problem that we are funding them, especially at a time in which we are having huge financial problems of our own.

Before we give out money to other nations, let's take care of Americans first. Let other nations deal with their own problems, and let's deal with OURS.

Article is here.

So now we are basically going to be paying for population control in other countries?
 
From your link:


If I'm not mistaken, we are denying funds because **they force women to abort**.

No. The policy was denying any clinic funding even if they mentioned abortion. I haven't seen evidence of any NGO actively forcing abortions.
 
They were not denied aid because they had an education program in place.

They were denied aid because they were forcing women to have abortions against their will and they were supporting forced sterilization.




Here's the evidence:


Here is the most recent report: Country Reports on Human Rights Practices 2007

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I love it when people tell me to “give Obama a chance” and “rally behind Obama and support him because he’s the president”…first Obama openly supports killing born citizens because they are unwanted, and now he supports forced abortion/sterilization. At least the founder of Planned Parenthood had the balls to admit that the pro-choice movement is about culling the population and fascism, but Obama still hides behind surrogate arguments like "a woman's right to choose" and an army of useful idiots.

That's the change we need :doh

So because the Chinese government has suspect practices all NGO's around the world should be denied funding?
 
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I'm in no way anti-abortion, but I don't think we should be funding any sort of programs overseas. Let them handle their own affairs. In these times of economic crisis, we certainly can't afford to throw money around like confetti. I know it's quite early in the game, but so far Obama isn't really impressing me with his priorities.
 
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Deny funding to all non-governmental organizations that perform services outside the US is a whole other discussion.

no it is not, it is at the crux of this discussion

What about educating on abortion? How does educating someone on the consequences of abortion kill life?


murder is not an option.
 
Thanks NP. Have a baby on the way so been taking on a lot of freelance work. Sucks the recreational time away :2wave:

Me and the wife does as well, and how you can look at that life growing and be pro-choice is perplexing to me to say the least.
 
Me and the wife does as well, and how you can look at that life growing and be pro-choice is perplexing to me to say the least.

Congrats. Hope your wife is doing well.

My personal opinion on the matter doesn't stop me from believing in an individuals right to choose what happens with their own body.
 
I'm in no way anti-abortion, but I don't think we should be funding any sort of programs overseas. Let them handle their own affairs. In these times of economic crisis, we certainly can't afford to throw money around like confetti. I know it's quite early in the game, but so far Obama isn't really impressing me with his priorities.

Very nationalist of you. Personally, I am more of a humanist. We have the capabilities of helping under privileged people in third world nations, and so we should.
 
Very nationalist of you. Personally, I am more of a humanist. We have the capabilities of helping under privileged people in third world nations, and so we should.

Perhaps we should consider it at some point, but definitely not when we are facing an economic crisis. We have to take care of our own problems first. I fail to see how this makes me nationalist.
 
Congrats. Hope your wife is doing well.

She is, I hope the same for you my friend! :mrgreen:


My personal opinion on the matter doesn't stop me from believing in an individuals right to choose what happens with their own body.



Man, i went from anti-abortion but ambivilent about the issue until the 1st sonogram, then it was like an epifany about what life is.... shocking....... to me....


how far along is she?
 
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