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Obama to end anti-abortion policy for overseas funds

danarhea

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You know, I don't have a problem with people living overseas getting abortions. I DO have a problem that we are funding them, especially at a time in which we are having huge financial problems of our own.

Before we give out money to other nations, let's take care of Americans first. Let other nations deal with their own problems, and let's deal with OURS.

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danarhea said:
You know, I don't have a problem with people living overseas getting abortions. I DO have a problem that we are funding them, especially at a time in which we are having huge financial problems of our own.

Before we give out money to other nations, let's take care of Americans first. Let other nations deal with their own problems, and let's deal with OURS.

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I'd like to know the pros of doing this. There must be some benefit, no? I just wonder why the Democrats seem to feel strongly about this.
 
Middleground said:
I'd like to know the pros of doing this. There must be some benefit, no? I just wonder why the Democrats seem to feel strongly about this.
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Other than toasting potential bin Laden's before they are born, I have no idea. :mrgreen:

NOTE: I KNOW that I am going to get flamed for posting this, so let me stress that my response was just a smart-assed tongue in cheek remark. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
Other than toasting potential bin Laden's before they are born, I have no idea. :mrgreen:

NOTE: I KNOW that I am going to get flamed for posting this, so let me stress that my response was just a smart-assed tongue in cheek remark. LOL.
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I am unemployed ,and when I found out that this was one of his highest priorities ,WOW( day two of his admin)...no words. Never mind FAIR TRADE...,"WE want fair abortion...,WE want fair abortion...,WE want fair abortion".The EU must be so happy about this. I TRUELY got behind Obama a couple days before the big parade...,He WILL sqaunder all support ,is my guess,on his way to fullfilling our greatest fears.
 
This is nothing new and has been either invoked or revoked within days of a new President taking office since the 80s.

What are the pro's of this? The US government can now help fund family clinics that offer medical and psychological support in third world countries.

You can disagree with the spending in general but if the spending is approved then it should be available to all family clinics that provide safe medical and psychological education and practices.

A clinic supporting a third world country shouldn't be denied support because they happen to have an abortion education program among their hundreds of other programs.

Personally, I think we, as the most powerful country in the world, have a duty to supply medical funding, education, and equipment in some form to countries that cannot supply themselves.
 
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Gibberish said:
This is nothing new and has been either invoked or revoked within days of a new President taking office since the 80s.

What are the pro's of this? The US government can now help fund family clinics that offer medical and psychological support in third world countries.

You can disagree with the spending in general but if the spending is approved then it should be available to all family clinics that provide safe medical and psychological education and practices.

Some clinic in Indonesia shouldn't be denied support because they happen to have an abortion education program among their hundreds of other programs.
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How can you conceive that it is our governments job to support Indonesian or any other countries health care?
 
Gibberish said:
This is nothing new and has been either invoked or revoked within days of a new President taking office since the 80s.

What are the pro's of this? The US government can now help fund family clinics that offer medical and psychological support in third world countries.

You can disagree with the spending in general but if the spending is approved then it should be available to all family clinics that provide safe medical and psychological education and practices.

A clinic supporting a third world country shouldn't be denied support because they happen to have an abortion education program among their hundreds of other programs.
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Thank you. My initial feeling that it was funding for 3rd world countries, but I wanted to be certain before making any judgements.

Dan, you seemed okay with Bush's generosity towards Africa. Why is this different?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
How can you conceive that it is our governments job to support Indonesian or any other countries health care?
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Because I feel all human life is worth saving. We have the capabilities to support impoverished countries and so we should. Supporting these countries is not hurting us in anyway and is greatly improving the livelihood of the population lucky enough to reap the rewards of our support.
 
I support helping poorer countries. As a Catholic, I believe that is our responsibility to our brothers and sisters in poorer countries. However, I can not abide by the US following a policy that supports programs that allows people to murder their unborn child.
 
ludahai said:
I support helping poorer countries. As a Catholic, I believe that is our responsibility to our brothers and sisters in poorer countries. However, I can not abide by the US following a policy that supports programs that allows people to murder their unborn child.
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I'm against a program that I didn't vote for. If I want to sent money overseas to a charity, that is my privilege and my money alonge. If the govt send the money, then they have misused it in my behalf.
 
Gibberish said:
Because I feel all human life is worth saving. We have the capabilities to support impoverished countries and so we should. Supporting these countries is not hurting us in anyway and is greatly improving the livelihood of the population lucky enough to reap the rewards of our support.
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Thats all well and good if your prone to touchy feely nonsense. What about all this hand ringing about Americans with no health care or budget deficits and over all spending? Lets waste more money by throwing it at dependent countries.
 
This quote from the article on yahoo caught my attention..

"President Obama not long ago told the American people that he would support policies to reduce abortions, but today he is effectively guaranteeing more abortions by funding groups that promote abortion as a method of population control," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee.
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Obama signs order reversing abortion-funds policy - Yahoo! News

Anti-Abortionists (along with abstinence supporters) seem to believe that denial of a service or lack of education help stop what ever it is they want stopped.

Education and a well funded knowledge on safety measures are the only way to stop abortions.

Abortion should be legal, available, and completely unnecessary.
 
So wait, day 3 and my money is now going to pay for some guatamalan's abortion?


It truly is an "obamanation".......
 
American said:
I'm against a program that I didn't vote for. If I want to sent money overseas to a charity, that is my privilege and my money alonge. If the govt send the money, then they have misused it in my behalf.
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You can't expect to vote on every program the US administers. That is why we elect representatives.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Thats all well and good if your prone to touchy feely nonsense. What about all this hand ringing about Americans with no health care or budget deficits and over all spending? Lets waste more money by throwing it at dependent countries.
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Like I said you can validly argue against the overall funding. But if the funding is available, the abortion education exception shouldn't exist.
 
Gibberish said:
Like I said you can validly argue against the overall funding. But if the funding is available, the abortion education exception shouldn't exist.
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I've come to accept that the abortion argument is forever circular. I just don't care about it anymore. We have better things to do than support failing needy governments overseas.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So wait, day 3 and my money is now going to pay for some guatamalan's abortion?

It truly is an "obamanation".......
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Your money is now going to thousands of clinical across the world that are devoted to saving lives but also happen to offer abortion education.

Answer this, Do you feel that medical clinics should be denied your funding because they offer unbiased education?
 
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American said:
I'm against a program that I didn't vote for. If I want to sent money overseas to a charity, that is my privilege and my money alonge. If the govt send the money, then they have misused it in my behalf.
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You voted for the Senate and House that originally voted in favor of such spending plans. Don't like it? Write your Congressman/Senator.
 
Gibberish said:
Your money is now going to thousands of clinical across the world that are devoted to saving lives but also happen to offer abortion education.

Answer this, Do you feel that medical clinics should be denied your funding because they offer unbiased education?
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Does that "unbiased education" explain the consequences of an abortion and about the little human life that is growing within them?
 
Gibberish said:
You voted for the Senate and House that originally voted in favor of such spending plans. Don't like it? Write your Congressman/Senator.
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I'm of the mind it's much to late to do anything about our "leadership" except maybe shoot holes in their false arguments that the majority believes. Voting means nothing now a days.
 
Gibberish said:
Your money is now going to thousands of clinical across the world that are devoted to saving lives but also happen to offer abortion education.
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I do not believe Abortion can be classified as saving a life. Just the opposite actually, at least scientifically.

Answer this, Do you feel that medical clinics should be denied your funding because they offer unbiased education?
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Around the world? my money? because they perform abortions? Abso freaking lutley....
 
ludahai said:
Does that "unbiased education" explain the consequences of an abortion and about the little human life that is growing within them?
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No idea. I haven't read any of the curriculum supplied to the clinics. In my opinion it should offer every aspect of the decision.

The point of ending the policy though is that clinics are not denied funding because they happen to offer the education.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I do not believe Abortion can be classified as saving a life. Just the opposite actually, at least scientifically.

Around the world? my money? because they perform abortions? Abso freaking lutley....
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Performing abortions is not the point of the clinics. It's to education and provide medical/psychological services in terms of family. Abortion education is one minor piece of that.

We are not funding clinics to perform abortions. We are funding to educate and advance the well-being of families in less privileged nations. Funding shouldn't be awarded to only clinics that offer minimal education.
 
Gibberish said:
No idea. I haven't read any of the curriculum supplied to the clinics. In my opinion it should offer every aspect of the decision.

The point of ending the policy though is that clinics are not denied funding because they happen to offer the education.
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I think you're in denial about the real issue here. "happen to offer abortion education"? we're talking U.S. bucks going to clinics that perform abortions.
 
Gibberish said:
Performing abortions is not the point of the clinics. It's to education and provide medical/psychological services in terms of family. Abortion education is one minor piece of that.

We are not funding clinics to perform abortions. We are funding to educate and advance the well-being of families in less privileged nations. Funding shouldn't be awarded to only clinics that offer minimal education.
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How would this change my opinion that my money should not go to third world abortion clinics?
 
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