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And I have repeatedly told you that any qualified voter can qualify to be on the primary ballot. The party heirarchy can NOT disqalify anyone. Can you come up with any examples of how a primary candidate has been disqualified and prohibited from running by the party leadership?

Its so funny that I am just suppose to accept your CLAIM on this, all the while you always nag about proof to the end of the world..

You didnt really prove any points by spinning this issue around in circles, misunderstaning me many times, misquoting me, rephrasing me to suit your own needs and so on, and then when I have valid points just resort to ill debate methods like clamining that I dont know some word, and answer many points and question with something as lame as that.

You really lost some debate points in my book, especially if you are actually right, which you never proved. the closest proof I have seen is from right of center, that anyone can sign up as candidate for any party, but it doesnt prove that a party cannot disqualify you. I would like to see the whole process on these things, just for the clarification of its since it has been such a hotly contested issue here the last few posts. What you are saying is still just a claim, you have proven nothing what so ever, but I am willing to listen and see the proofs.. I however never claimed my version was definetely right, but "most likely" until I see proof that says otherwise.. And those I havent seen. So I am still assuming on this issue, but I am far less sure about it now than in the beginning.. But hey, if you cant find proof of your claim, then you can just admit that you do not know for sure..

When I came in the passport office the other day they just swung me right though, but the guy behind me was strip searched and hazzled and questioned for hours. Thats no proof that the passport procedure is like I believe it is because of my one experience..
 
THe party LEADERSHIP has no way of disqualifying him. It is the party members who make the decision. What part of this do you not understand?

The part where you haven't proved it..


I am not saying its the leadership necessarily, but that there is a procedure that the republicans might have that can disqualify people from being a candidate for the republican party in the primaries.

Dont narrow it down to just one option, look at the broader context of what I am saying here.
 
The part where you haven't proved it..


I am not saying its the leadership necessarily, but that there is a procedure that the republicans might have that can disqualify people from being a candidate for the republican party in the primaries.

Dont narrow it down to just one option, look at the broader context of what I am saying here.

You are making the claim that there is a prodecure. Prove it. Find ONE candidate who was disqualified from the primaries by the party leadership. One was already proposed, but it came out that he didn't pay the filing fee.

As for "losing debate points" you lost them with your language in an earlier post. Inexcusable.
 
MZ - I don't have any more time to deal with the likes of you on this issue with your willful ignorance of the system in the US.

I am going on vacation in a couple of hours with my family.

Read this article

"We couldn’t keep him (Vass) from qualifying legally under the current code," Stanley said. "Anybody who pays the money can qualify as a candidate."

The party leadership wanted to disqualify Vass from the primary ballot, but the law did not allow them to do so.
 
You are making the claim that there is a prodecure. Prove it. Find ONE candidate who was disqualified from the primaries by the party leadership. One was already proposed, but it came out that he didn't pay the filing fee.

As for "losing debate points" you lost them with your language in an earlier post. Inexcusable.

It was just a response to your own language...

You are the one saying that you are definetely right.. And that what you say is fact.. So what you are saying is that I cannot find proof of my claim, which means since your claim as you say is fact, that only you can find proof.. That just logic man.. So its your burden..

If you cant do that, this discussion is over. I am not going through the same circle of explaining the same 3 things to you over and over again. I have to put the spin limit somewhere.

Have a nice trip anyways.. I'm still a bit pissed of but anyways, enjoy.
 
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MZ - I don't have any more time to deal with the likes of you on this issue with your willful ignorance of the system in the US.

I am going on vacation in a couple of hours with my family.

Read this article



The party leadership wanted to disqualify Vass from the primary ballot, but the law did not allow them to do so.

Its a race for clerk, not president.

And its not really related to what I am talking about, which it seems you are not understanding..
I know anyone can run for president... I am talking about the parties having no say whatsoever in who runs for them, that just seems illogical.
 
It was just a response to your own language...

You are the one saying that you are definetely right.. And that what you say is fact.. So what you are saying is that I cannot find proof of my claim, which means since your claim as you say is fact, that only you can find proof.. That just logic man.. So its your burden..

If you cant do that, this discussion is over. I am not going through the same circle of explaining the same 3 things to you over and over again. I have to put the spin limit somewhere.

Have a nice trip anyways.. I'm still a bit pissed of but anyways, enjoy.

I didn't use swear words like you did.

Did you read the last link I posted? You have posted NOTHING. Put up or concede. I wil check back later. I have a five-hour drive with the kids to embark on. Time to go enjoy the sun and surf of southern Taiwan.

:2wave:
 
But he could pretend to be republican just to win the republican primaries...
You have a very limited understanding of US politics.

Anyone can claim to be whatever they want. But what does that get them? For example, if I run for office claiming to be a republican what does that do for me? Almost nothing, especially if they do not support me, or worse, actively campaign against me. The strength of a party isn't simply its name. A parties strength is the connections, funding, and organization it possesses.
 
You have a very limited understanding of US politics.

Anyone can claim to be whatever they want. But what does that get them? For example, if I run for office claiming to be a republican what does that do for me? Almost nothing, especially if they do not support me, or worse, actively campaign against me. The strength of a party isn't simply its name. A parties strength is the connections, funding, and organization it possesses.

Thank you, and you have a very limited understanding about the world or anything else than your own view... (is this the way to do intelligent debate in the US?)


I am just asking these questions because in Europe its completely different than this.. parties are more like living entities, not formalities like American parties are described in this post.
 
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I didn't use swear words like you did.

Did you read the last link I posted? You have posted NOTHING. Put up or concede. I wil check back later. I have a five-hour drive with the kids to embark on. Time to go enjoy the sun and surf of southern Taiwan.

:2wave:

You want to start a petty argument about the ugly little namecalling and such we had here also? You are just unbelievable..

You still haven't proven what you say is "FACT", and then you claim that the person who is claiming something which you think isn't fact(and he never claimed is fact) have the burden of proof. Thats absurd man..

I can see it all more clearly now, the reason for this thread getting out of hand, the the gaps of logic that exist with some people on this forum.
 
But he could pretend to be republican just to win the republican primaries...

In Europe that would be impossible, you have to spend decades in a party and prove your record to become even a minister candidate and several more decades to become prime minister candidate and party leader.

Generally, one has to spend a long time doing working for the party and running in state and local elections to get the name recognition it takes to make a serious run at the presidential nomination.
 
It was just a response to your own language...

You are the one saying that you are definetely right.. And that what you say is fact.. So what you are saying is that I cannot find proof of my claim, which means since your claim as you say is fact, that only you can find proof.. That just logic man.. So its your burden..

If you cant do that, this discussion is over. I am not going through the same circle of explaining the same 3 things to you over and over again. I have to put the spin limit somewhere.

Have a nice trip anyways.. I'm still a bit pissed of but anyways, enjoy.

He is definitely right. It is the way things work here. The party higher ups can not disqualify someone for running.
 
Generally, one has to spend a long time doing working for the party and running in state and local elections to get the name recognition it takes to make a serious run at the presidential nomination.

But anyone can run for president as an independent without any recognition.. But will of course have an impossible attempt at being elected.. Isnt that true also?

I dont know much about the details of your election process it seems, except its the most annoying thing to watch on tv, and that its not about politics.
 
But anyone can run for president as an independent without any recognition.. But will of course have an impossible attempt at being elected.. Isnt that true also?
Name recognition certainly helps. Without it an independent will find it very hard to get enough signatures to be on the ballot in all states.

I dont know much about the details of your election process it seems, except its the most annoying thing to watch on tv, and that its not about politics.

So, care to retract the claim that the Republican and Democratic parties are anything at all like the Supreme Leader of Iran?
 
But anyone can run for president as an independent without any recognition.. But will of course have an impossible attempt at being elected.. Isnt that true also?
There are some independents seated in congress. One of the east coast states, if I remember correctly, even has a socialist party member elected to congress.

I dont know much about the details of your election process it seems, except its the most annoying thing to watch on tv, and that its not about politics.
well there's one of your problems. TV /= reality. That includes the media.
 
He is definitely right. It is the way things work here. The party higher ups can not disqualify someone for running.

But there must be some mechanism in the party which can weed out people from running in the party. Else its not really a party, but only a formality. And I certainly know that parties in the US are no formality, but rather two extremes that caters everyone which is slightly or extremely on THEIR side.. But not people from the "other side"..
Dont narrow it down to leaders when I am asking the question in general.. I am talking about either leaders, a committee, the party meeting of the top 1000 people or anything else, just some procedure in general, a mechanism.
 
So, care to retract the claim that the Republican and Democratic parties are anything at all like the Supreme Leader of Iran?

I never said they were, I never said Europes parties are either, even if they can weed out people.

But you still haven't really proven that the parties are just dead formalities like you are claiming now, just an institution that everyone can use as they please, and that the party has no power over the party itself, or who runs in it or who participates in their primaries, or who runs for their presidents..
 
You want to start a petty argument about the ugly little namecalling and such we had here also? You are just unbelievable..

You still haven't proven what you say is "FACT", and then you claim that the person who is claiming something which you think isn't fact(and he never claimed is fact) have the burden of proof. Thats absurd man..

I can see it all more clearly now, the reason for this thread getting out of hand, the the gaps of logic that exist with some people on this forum.

I am sorry, but the language you used went beyond namecalling.

I provided a link. Have you ignored it? You have still given ZERO examples of a candidate being disqualified by the party leaders.
 
But there must be some mechanism in the party which can weed out people from running in the party.
People's votes. If the majority decides that the person running is the right one then that is the person.

Else its not really a party, but only a formality. And I certainly know that parties in the US are no formality, but rather two extremes that caters everyone which is slightly or extremely on THEIR side.. But not people from the "other side"..
Parties in the US are not about sides, it's about winning elections. They'll take up whatever side of an issue they believe can get them the most votes.

Dont narrow it down to leaders when I am asking the question in general.. I am talking about either leaders, a committee, the party meeting of the top 1000 people or anything else, just some procedure in general, a mechanism.

The primary. That's the procedure and mechanism for deciding who runs.
 
I never said they were, I never said Europes parties are either, even if they can weed out people.
Yes you did. You claimed that the Supreme Leader of Iran choosing Iranian presidential candidates was no different than the Republican and Democratic parties nominating their candidates.

But you still haven't really proven that the parties are just dead formalities like you are claiming now,
I did not set out to prove that, nor did I claim it. Parties are a valuable mechanism for getting the greatest number of votes behind one candidate.

just an institution that everyone can use as they please,
I never said this either. No one can use the party as they please.

and that the party has no power over the party itself,
The people are the party. They decide who is nominated and who they will support and try and gain support for their candidate from other party members.

or who runs in it or who participates in their primaries, or who runs for their presidents..

The registered, voting members of the party decide. I don't know how you're making these huge, irrational leaps from what I have said. If someone wishes to run for their party's nomination they register their name with the party and circulate a petition among party members to get their nomination. If the party members believe he/she has the best policies they will vote for him/her in the primary.
 
You think TV is the reality?? :lol:

That perhaps explains more about you than you ever did yourself explain.

Obviously you don't know the difference between "/=" and "=" otherwise you wouldn't of made such a fool of yourself. :doh: :lol:
 
I am sorry, but the language you used went beyond namecalling.

I provided a link. Have you ignored it? You have still given ZERO examples of a candidate being disqualified by the party leaders.

I did answer it, probably you didnt see it, previous page.
 
Obviously you don't know the difference between "/=" and "=" otherwise you wouldn't of made such a fool of yourself. :doh: :lol:

yes.. and all people who dont know sms language are also fools in the eyes of the fools who use it to the detriment of language.. :mrgreen:

I have no idea what you are talking about what /=.. Please explain it.. I do not appreciate you calling me a fool because I do not understand it.. You are quite foolish for discussing in such a way.
 
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