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Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

Yeah everyone makes fun of the Airforce until the JDAMs start flying. ;)



We have the hottest chicks. :mrgreen:
 
Bad idea. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
Blackdog said:
In the everyday world that is fine. The military is very different.



Having your life on the line has nothing to do with it.



Not about gays, about life in the military.

Why do I have to keep repeating myself.
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"About life in the military" isn't giving me any insight into why it won't work. What won't work?

It's working right now. Gays are serving honorably. It's working.

The only difference is that homophobes don't want to know. Knowing someone is gay won't make them more likely to attack you in the shower when you drop the soap or snuggle up in your bunk with you in the middle of the night.

This is why I asked you for specifics.
 
SgtRock said:
What if your not in the middle of a war zone and your living in the barracks back in the states? Like I said women and men have seperate rooms showers and rest rooms. Why wouldn't straight and openly gay men not have seperate facilities?
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Because the openness is irrelevant. You are hung up on this attraction issue.

Should lesbians have to shower with the men?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
We have the hottest chicks. :mrgreen:
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That's a toss up there between the Air force and Marines, but I'd definitely agree that a female looks better in a Marine uniform rather than an Air force one.
 
TheNextEra said:
That's a toss up there between the Air force and Marines, but I'd definitely agree that a female looks better in a Marine uniform rather than an Air force one.
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I've never seen a female Marine. But that may be because the women who join the Marines look just like the men who do.
 
Blackdog said:
It has hurt enlistments enough without adding more at this time.
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Link to proof that more than 12,500 people have decided against joining the military because they were scared that there would be gay dudes?

Who is pretending that they don't? I never said or implied this. I don't want to know who is or is not, period. It would be an unwelcome distraction no matter how much you would like to candy coat it.
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Why does the prospect of gay men distract you more than the prospect of women or blacks?

It would affect moral as many people in the military would be very uncomfortable to say the least
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morale

I can honestly say as much as I agree gay people should be allowed to serve, I probably would have balked at joining.
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So you wanted to serve your country, but not enough to be faced with the prospect of interacting with gay dudes.

That says far more about you than it does the policy.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Your use of fonts makes me want to say...... no...... :lol:
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Ok, so you don't want to back up your percentages.
Okay.




Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Hmm, anyone else find this true? :lol::roll: I didn't.
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Why don't you?

Off duty things were completely different in how the troops integrated.

e.g. Fort Drum:
Two clubs operated on post by AAFES. One called Spinners (music orientated), the other called Pennants (sports orientated), they both operated at night as dance clubs.
Spinners was basically a black club, while Spinners was basically non black.
Spinners had to be shut down because of the conduct of the black soldiers.
The last straw was when they turned a car over in the parking lot and set it aflame.

My understanding was that the club was shut down for some time after I left Fort Drum but has since reopened.


e.g. MFO, Sinai Egypt.
(An assignment that is so political that if the Sergeant Major is white, the majority of First Sergeants have to be non-white, and vise versa.)
Each Military Contingent has it's own Club/Bar/Mess, the U.S.'s is basically black, seldom do you find U.S. personnel of a different ethnicity in the Bar and rarely do you find those from another Contingent in the U.S.'s bar.
Not the same for the other Contingent Bars. (except maybe for the French, lol.)
This indicates that your use of the term "successfully integrated" is subjective to say the least.

Now if you would like to speak about what is generally unspoken of on duty that cause underlying tension between races, it would also be an indication that your use of the term "successfully integrated" is subjective to say the least.
 
Coolguy said:
Why don't you?

Off duty things were completely different in how the troops integrated.

e.g. Fort Drum:
Two clubs operated on post by AAFES. One called Spinners (music orientated), the other called Pennants (sports orientated), they both operated at night as dance clubs.
Spinners was basically a black club, while Spinners was basically non black.
Spinners had to be shut down because of the conduct of the black soldiers.
The last straw was when they turned a car over in the parking lot and set it aflame.

My understanding was that the club was shut down for some time after I left Fort Drum but has since reopened.


e.g. MFO, Sinai Egypt.
(An assignment that is so political that if the Sergeant Major is white, the majority of First Sergeants have to be non-white, and vise versa.)
Each Military Contingent has it's own Club/Bar/Mess, the U.S.'s is basically black, seldom do you find U.S. personnel of a different ethnicity in the Bar and rarely do you find those from another Contingent in the U.S.'s bar.
Not the same for the other Contingent Bars. (except maybe for the French, lol.)
This indicates that your use of the term "successfully integrated" is subjective to say the least.

Now if you would like to speak about what is generally unspoken of on dutythat cause underlying tension between races, it would also be an indication that your use of the term "successfully integrated" is subjective to say the least.
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So you're arguing that blacks are less civilized than whites? I fail to see how your personal feelings on that matter are relevant to whether or not the 12,500 gay troops kicked out of the military could have helped.
 
Coolguy said:
Ok, so you don't want to back up your percentages.
Okay.




Why don't you?

Off duty things were completely different in how the troops integrated.

e.g. Fort Drum:
Two clubs operated on post by AAFES. One called Spinners (music orientated), the other called Pennants (sports orientated), they both operated at night as dance clubs.
Spinners was basically a black club, while Spinners was basically non black.
Spinners had to be shut down because of the conduct of the black soldiers.
The last straw was when they turned a car over in the parking lot and set it aflame.

My understanding was that the club was shut down for some time after I left Fort Drum but has since reopened.


e.g. MFO, Sinai Egypt.
(An assignment that is so political that if the Sergeant Major is white, the majority of First Sergeants have to be non-white, and vise versa.)
Each Military Contingent has it's own Club/Bar/Mess, the U.S.'s is basically black, seldom do you find U.S. personnel of a different ethnicity in the Bar and rarely do you find those from another Contingent in the U.S.'s bar.
Not the same for the other Contingent Bars. (except maybe for the French, lol.)
This indicates that your use of the term "successfully integrated" is subjective to say the least.

Now if you would like to speak about what is generally unspoken of on duty that cause underlying tension between races, it would also be an indication that your use of the term "successfully integrated" is subjective to say the least.
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Man, I am not reading that font, sorry. :shock:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Man, I am not reading that font, sorry. :shock:
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You may have a problem with your "clear type" because that font was designed to be easily read.
Otherwise, you are just using it as an excuse.
 
RightOfCenter said:
You guys are just too cute to do the real fighting, that's all ;)
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lol... maybe so (actually "absolutely!"), but we are the first in and we do most of the damage before other branches go in and finish the job.

The Air Force can be given credit with ending the first Gulf War quickly. That includes gays who served then.
 
Coolguy said:
You may have a problem with your "clear type" because that font was designed to be easily read.
Otherwise, you are just using it as an excuse.
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No its really annoying for one, Two I have a cold today and looking at that crap makes my head spin.... :lol:
 
Alex said:
lol... maybe so (actually "absolutely!"), but we are the first in and we do most of the damage before other branches go in and finish the job.

The Air Force can be given credit with ending the first Gulf War quickly. That includes gays who served then.
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Yeah, I liked the fact that the Army had to go in and clean up my mess. :mrgreen:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
No its really annoying for one, Two I have a cold today and looking at that crap makes my head spin.... :lol:
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I hope you realize that since the font was designed to be easily read that your claims that it makes your head spin seem to be fictitious, unless of course your "clear type" isn't set accurately.
Btw, sorry bout your cold.
 
Anyone else think it's damned amusing that one of the banner ads for this thread is for GayMilitaryDating.com?

And Coolguy, your font sucks. It is harder to read than the forum default, and in any case, multiple fonts on the page automatically contribute to readability issues.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Anyone else think it's damned amusing that one of the banner ads for this thread is for GayMilitaryDating.com?
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I've noticed that in the past too. I can't see it now because I'm a Platinum member, but in the past I have noticed that it does seem to take cues from certain key words and show banners based on the topics being discussed.
 
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