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Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

Of course you do, but in this case you have no real experience. You can't know or understand some of the variables that come into play.

As I said this does not invalidate your opinion, but you have less information than someone who has served on this particular subject.

What is there to understand. I've worked with gay people. I know gay people. I trust gay people. I've showered with gay people. I can't imagine anything changing because our lives were on the line.

Does having your life on the line make you think about the one of the team cornholing you?

Please tell me how this it's different. You've got the experience. What do you know about gays that I don't?
 
They know full well when they join the military about "don't ask don't tell" so who is the stupid one?

The military frowns on relations between officers and enlisted as well. They do what most others do and go on leave.

It is not that hard.

Gays already serve in the military. I just fail to see how it's going to cause such a huge problem if suddenly people know who they are. I'm sure many know already. I'm sure some people will have a problem with it, but they'll have to get over it. Times change. Gay people exist. Deal with it.
 
I am totally against this. As a veteran I believe this will cause problems. Soldiers live in close quarters. Men and women may live in the same barracks but they have seperate rooms, rest rooms, and showers. Bare in mind that the showers are not private and many men will be showering at the same time. Just as men and women shower seperatly will men and gays be showering seperatly. If I know a soldier is gay Im not getting naked in front of him. And what about rooms. Typically there will be anywhere from 2 to 4 men or more shareing a room. The same with women. I don't want a gay man as a roommate checking me out when Im dressing. Or when Im laying around in my underwhere watching TV or what ever. I do not think open gays can serve with straight soldiers unless accomidations are made such as seperate rooms and restrooms and showers for gays just like there are seperate facilities for men and women.

Gays already serve without being segregated.

I'm sure you have a fine penis though. ;)
 
Men and women in the military have seperate open showers. Should we allow men and women to shower together? And if not then why shoud we have straight and openly gay men showering together?
 
I am totally against this. As a veteran I believe this will cause problems. Soldiers live in close quarters. Men and women may live in the same barracks but they have seperate rooms, rest rooms, and showers. Bare in mind that the showers are not private and many men will be showering at the same time. Just as men and women shower seperatly will men and gays be showering seperatly. If I know a soldier is gay Im not getting naked in front of him. And what about rooms. Typically there will be anywhere from 2 to 4 men or more shareing a room. The same with women. I don't want a gay man as a roommate checking me out when Im dressing. Or when Im laying around in my underwhere watching TV or what ever. I do not think open gays can serve with straight soldiers unless accomidations are made such as seperate rooms and restrooms and showers for gays just like there are seperate facilities for men and women.

Once again, if you're worried about a dude oggling your weiner while you're in the middle of a war zone, your priorities are out of whack. And either way, you'll do what your superiors tell you to do or you'll be dishonorably discharged.
 
What is there to understand. I've worked with gay people. I know gay people. I trust gay people. I've showered with gay people. I can't imagine anything changing because our lives were on the line.

In the everyday world that is fine. The military is very different.

Does having your life on the line make you think about the one of the team cornholing you?

Having your life on the line has nothing to do with it.

Please tell me how this it's different. You've got the experience. What do you know about gays that I don't?

Not about gays, about life in the military.

Why do I have to keep repeating myself.
 
Once again, if you're worried about a dude oggling your weiner while you're in the middle of a war zone, your priorities are out of whack. And either way, you'll do what your superiors tell you to do or you'll be dishonorably discharged.

What if your not in the middle of a war zone and your living in the barracks back in the states? Like I said women and men have seperate rooms showers and rest rooms. Why wouldn't straight and openly gay men not have seperate facilities?
 
Gays already serve in the military. I just fail to see how it's going to cause such a huge problem if suddenly people know who they are. I'm sure many know already. I'm sure some people will have a problem with it, but they'll have to get over it. Times change. Gay people exist. Deal with it.

It's not that simple.
 
Men and women in the military have seperate open showers. Should we allow men and women to shower together? And if not then why shoud we have straight and openly gay men showering together?

Gay and straight men/women are already showering together in the military.:roll:
 
It has hurt enlistments enough without adding more at this time.

Proof, please.

Blackdog said:
Who is pretending that they don't? I never said or implied this. I don't want to know who is or is not, period. It would be an unwelcome distraction no matter how much you would like to candy coat it.

Then that's your problem, not theirs.

Blackdog said:
80% of this country is Christian, so odds are the military breakdown is about the same.

But 80% of the country isn't so homophobic that A) they're against gays openly serving in the military, and B) they're SO against the idea that it would affect their performance and/or their decision to sign up.

Blackdog said:
So you are talking about a minority of military personal to begin with. We are so concerned about protecting the sensibility's of the minority. Who is protecting the sensibility's of the majority?

What does their religion have to do with it anyway? Many of the gays in the military are probably Christians themselves.

Blackdog said:
It would affect moral as many people in the military would be very uncomfortable to say the least. I can honestly say as much as I agree gay people should be allowed to serve, I probably would have balked at joining. I am certain a whole lot of troops would feel exactly the same way.

But you acknowledged that gays already serve in the military. Why would you balk at joining if the government didn't pretend that there are no gays in the military? :confused:
 
It's not that simple.

It's simpler than what you make it out to be yes.

Will there be problems? Yes. Hell we have cases every now and then in the military dealing with racism. Why wouldn't we have problems with this?

That doesn't mean you just throw it out because a few bad apples can't handle it.
 
But you acknowledged that gays already serve in the military. Why would you balk at joining if the government didn't pretend that there are no gays in the military? :confused:

*click click with my ruby red shoes*

There are no gays in the military

*click click with my ruby red shoes*
 
What if your not in the middle of a war zone and your living in the barracks back in the states? Like I said women and men have seperate rooms showers and rest rooms. Why wouldn't straight and openly gay men not have seperate facilities?

I think our military officers have better things to do than trying to arrange the logistics of showers to placate a few homophobes. :roll:

You'll shower when, where, and with whom they tell you to shower, or else you can and should be dishonorably discharged.
 
As one who cares little about homosexuality in general, as people are people in my book.

One would have to ask, is it wise to implement social change in the middle of two wars?



Why do this now, and not wait until peace time? will it affect moral? less than most think, more than others. But the fact that troops are dying, do we want to mess with a social status quo at this moment?

There is no "social change". I served openly gay for 4 years and was not the only one in my squad. No one cared, and the mission was never compromised because of it. The status quo is the same with or without "Don't ask, don't tell."

The last thing on my mind during any serious military action is sex. If anyone is thinking about what the guy next to him is thinking about sexually while being shot at, then it is that person who cannot focus on the mission and that person does not belong in the military.

If Obama does this, it is +1 with me on his achievements.
 
There is no "social change". I served openly gay for 4 years and was not the only one in my squad. No one cared, and the mission was never compromised because of it. The status quo is the same with or without "Don't ask, don't tell."

The last thing on my mind during any serious military action is sex. If anyone is thinking about what the guy next to him is thinking about sexually while being shot at, then it is that person who cannot focus on the mission and that person does not belong in the military.

If Obama does this, it is +1 with me on his achievements.



Did you read and understand my full points and all my posts?
 
There is no "social change". I served openly gay for 4 years and was not the only one in my squad. No one cared, and the mission was never compromised because of it. The status quo is the same with or without "Don't ask, don't tell."

The last thing on my mind during any serious military action is sex. If anyone is thinking about what the guy next to him is thinking about sexually while being shot at, then it is that person who cannot focus on the mission and that person does not belong in the military.

If Obama does this, it is +1 with me on his achievements.

I thought everyone in the Air Force was gay?
 
Men and women in the military have seperate open showers. Should we allow men and women to shower together? And if not then why shoud we have straight and openly gay men showering together?

Who cares if they are open or not? You have showered with a gay man already!!! All these tough assed soldiers can't face their biggest fear: The Gay. Why is it okay for straight dudes to see your beautiful penis? What about bisexuals? Are you saying that you have never seen another man's penis?

Men and women live in nudist colonies without rape and orgies breaking out.

You can't handle the truth.
 
funny when Army guy makes inter-service jokes.


Not funny when you do it. :2wave:

Navy isn't gay, they just choose to spend months on end with other guys in open showers and toilets is all. :lol:

There, I was in the Army and said it. :2wave:

Navy guys shouldn't feel to bad though, Army gets a lot more **** from the Marines hehe.

All the branches laugh at the airforce though, they just get the cool toys.
 
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Now I am wondering of I did. Explain more.



I essentially agree with you. I just think the timing should be considered....

To go from "the way it is" to "official policy" can cause all sorts of issues on any matter.
 
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